3rd Gen 4Runner Lift Information and FAQ's

[Seege]

Hi All,
Great info on this site and this thread in particular. It looks like my stock 2000 Limited is going to get the Tundra fr. springs and shocks. My question is, will Tundra rear shocks work with OME (or comparable 2 1/2 - 3 inch lift progressive) rear coils with the extra travel? I'd like to match the shocks if possible.

Thanks

 

[3bears]

I did the tundra springs and billies up front and LC springs and tokico shocks on back. Also did the PCK pan hard brackets and would highly recommend that (the bracket) as well as the diff drop. It was maybe about 2 .5 inch total. Was real happy with it and the ride. Liked it better than my 99 talls and kYB's that were on it at from my first "lift" and it was supposed to handle the weight of the ARB and winch, but never installed those.(Due to total out)
My 2001 will prob get the same set up

 

[96RedRunner]

Had SS1.2 Billy 5100's Tundra/LC 8 wrap on 96Red long time liked it.
Red's 01 replacement tried OME 3" lift, had to go.
Giving the Billy 6112 & 5160 setup a try 6k mi on it, seems to be a step up from 5100's.

 

[Seege]

Thank 3bears. I'm hoping to have a somewhat matched set of shocks. Since I'd like to try the replacement Tundras upfront... I guess my question is which rear shocks (be they stock anythings or aftermarket units) will best mimic the performance characteristics of a stock Tundra shock? While still having the correct length to accommodate the longer OME coils? I'm sure there's a reason I haven't yet about read anyone doing it this way.

 

[3bears]

Thank 3bears. I'm hoping to have a somewhat matched set of shocks. Since I'd like to try the replacement Tundras upfront... I guess my question is which rear shocks (be they stock anythings or aftermarket units) will best mimic the performance characteristics of a stock Tundra shock? While still having the correct length to accommodate the longer OME coils? I'm sure there's a reason I haven't yet about read anyone doing it this way.

I have no idea. I just went with what I felt best after lots of research

 

[LS-4Runner]

Hey all, I'm new to the world of 4x4 and and have zero experience when it comes to any of the products and upgrades needed. I've just got a nice 3rd gen 2000 limited 4runner with 176k miles and looking into upgrade the suspensions, this truck will primarily be used for overlanding/camping/ exploring rig and not much (if at all) rock crawling.
I'm looking to have 2-2.5" lift and keep good/comfort drivability both on and off road, so after reading an overwhelming amount of data regarding suspensions lift I came up with few options and would like to get your guys inputs and thoughts on the below setups.

I will put front bumper and winch, rock slider and under armor right away, and probably rear bumper and tire carrier some what in the future.

Which of the following setups might be the most comfort and reliable for my application?

Suspension kits:
1. Bilstein 6112/5160 - 883 coil in front and 890 at the rear.
2. TTBOSS-9602ALM - Toytec Aluma Series Boss Suspension System.
3. K53131 - ICON Stage 1 Suspension System + 890 coil at the rear.

UCA - does anyone of the below has any advantage over the other?
1. SPC.
2. Total chaos.


Do I need to get any of the following for my application?
1. Diff drop kit?
2. Adjustable panhard bar?
3. Longer sway bar links?
4. Longer brake line?

I will appreciate any and all thoughts/comments/suggestions regarding the above.

 

[shadow247]

I will appreciate any and all thoughts/comments/suggestions regarding the above.

Suspension kits: These are all good choices - ICON is going to be the best of these
1. Bilstein 6112/5160 - 883 coil in front and 890 at the rear.
2. TTBOSS-9602ALM - Toytec Aluma Series Boss Suspension System.
3. K53131 - ICON Stage 1 Suspension System + 890 coil at the rear.

UCA - does anyone of the below has any advantage over the other?
1. SPC. More adjustability than the Total Chaos LCA allows you to dial in the perfect alignment specs- Uses an OE style ball-joint that is easily replaceable - Uses OE style Bushings to the Frame instead of uniballs - I would go with these for a primary street driver -
2. Total chaos. Looks like these are a set Caster/Camber correction - Not adjustable at all. Uses 3 Uniballs which requires more maintenance/prone to squeaking/more likely to fail without extra attention - These would be more suited to a rig that is going to see a lot of trail use


Do I need to get any of the following for my application?
1. Diff drop kit? - Opinions vary -Some say it is mandatory over 2" of lift - Either way you will want to add CV BOOTS to your lift plan. They WILL leak after the lift - REBOOT when you lift, or replace entirely with a NAPA CV
2. Adjustable panhard bar? Better to get the EIMKEITH Panhard Correction Kit and have that welded on in addition to the Adjustable Panhard to dial the rear alignment. The adjustable Panhard alone with correct the centering of the axle, but the panhard bar should be as flat as possible for best suspension action. Mine was pretty wacky on bumpy turns with just the Adjustable Panhard Bar and 3" of lift. Not required if you only end up about 1.5" of lift. Anything higher get the EIMKEITH Panhard Correction Kit
3. Longer sway bar links? - Yes - I would recommend searching here and getting a set of custom links so you can dial the length.
4. Longer brake line? - Good Idea for the rear if you plan to wheel a lot. Simple mod to make sure you don't rip it off during a moment of hard articulation
5. Parking Brake Extension Bracket - You may need this as well.

 

[96RedRunner]

The 6112's I bought came with 600# springs, set perch 3 & 4 2.5" lift. I have an AOR plate bumper 107#, winch 67#
Minus 01 fat lip 96# removed have only added 78# rides/handles real good. Will be going to notch 4 & 5 more than likely For less rake.

I paired the 5160's with OME 890's with modified cone gives 3.25-3.5" lift. 890's did handle 110# of free weights w/spare well. target weight for rear bumper build rode around with weights for 6 months. Trip loaded air bags maybe later.

On second set of SPC UCA's I like em.

 

[LS-4Runner]

Thank you [MENTION=142122]96RedRunner[/MENTION] and [MENTION=80102]shadow247[/MENTION], I appreciates the the details in your answer.

 

[96RedRunner]

#4 Longer Brakelines Rear for sure, even if you don't offroad.
Picture your Ride on a post lift for tire rotation rear at full droop will be trying to stretch brake line or lines.
PCK is definitely way to go over Adj panhard bar, OE bar centers body just fine.
If you have OE Locker you'll need to raise Swaybar axle mounts 1 1/4" so Swaybar won't make contact with locker motor, E-brake cable needs attention, have run Diff drop, all part of SS1.2 kit some parts I kept.
If you have an 01-02 you will definitely have to do recilibration procedures for Trac and Stability control or do Andy Mod 2.0.

These are all good choices - ICON is going to be the best of these
1. Bilstein 6112/5160 - 883 coil in front and 890 at the rear.
2. TTBOSS-9602ALM - Toytec Aluma Series Boss Suspension System.
3. K53131 - ICON Stage 1 Suspension System + 890 coil at the rear.
4. King Extended Travel remote Res. my other choice.

Something worth mentioning again; Bumpstops gona need attention.

Been running DuraBump brand by member Plasticsguy check em out.
3" Front, 5" Rear kit. 15k mi.
1st setup with OME 3" kit 4Runner spec'd, bolt on worked fine this setup.
Current setup, Tundra 6112/LC 5160 spec'd, Rear bump's need attention,
Fronts good for current setting, adjusting for settling soon we'll see.

 

[Bad Luck]

Bilstein 6112's are a larger shock body and will not fit any OME springs. If you don't like the 600 lb/in springs that come with the 3rd Gen 4Runner specific 6112's then you will need a 14 inch long by 3 inch ID spring.

 

[LS-4Runner]

#4 Longer Brakelines Rear for sure, even if you don't offroad.
Picture your Ride on a post lift for tire rotation rear at full droop will be trying to stretch brake line or lines.
PCK is definitely way to go over Adj panhard bar, OE bar centers body just fine.
If you have OE Locker you'll need to raise Swaybar axle mounts 1 1/4" so Swaybar won't make contact with locker motor, E-brake cable needs attention, have run Diff drop, all part of SS1.2 kit some parts I kept.
If you have an 01-02 you will definitely have to do recilibration procedures for Trac and Stability control or do Andy Mod 2.0.

These are all good choices - ICON is going to be the best of these
1. Bilstein 6112/5160 - 883 coil in front and 890 at the rear.
2. TTBOSS-9602ALM - Toytec Aluma Series Boss Suspension System.
3. K53131 - ICON Stage 1 Suspension System + 890 coil at the rear.
4. King Extended Travel remote Res. my other choice.

Something worth mentioning again; Bumpstops gona need attention.

Been running DuraBump brand by member Plasticsguy check em out.
3" Front, 5" Rear kit. 15k mi.
1st setup with OME 3" kit 4Runner spec'd, bolt on worked fine this setup.
Current setup, Tundra 6112/LC 5160 spec'd, Rear bump's need attention,
Fronts good for current setting, adjusting for settling soon we'll see.

Extending brake lines are on the list as well as the durabumps.
I don't like the king's as they are to blue for my taste :happy:

 

[96RedRunner]

Extending brake lines are on the list as well as the durabumps.
I don't like the king's as they are to blue for my taste :happy:

Blue takes a lot of green to get, ha, wasn't quite there.

 

[Jd502]

Having trouble with my 4runner and trying to figure out how much lift it currently has because I am getting extremely confused by what stock measurements are supposed to be.

I just watched Speedy do his lift and the AFTER measurements are 21.5 up front and 22 in the rear from the center hub to the edge of the fender. He did the 2 inch tundra struts and coils.

My 4runner with Moog 81088 and 4Runner 5100s (PN:24-248730) on the lowest setting(No Spacers) is sitting at 22 inches.

Similarly his rear measurement is 22 inches. I have OME 890s in the rear, just installed but have about 10 miles or so on them with a full tank and 100-130 lbs in the back and my measurement is sitting at 23 inches or 37 inches from the ground to the fender edge.

My 4Runner is a '96 and im running 265/75 wildpeaks if that helps but my main question is why is the front so high with stock springs and struts. My front has been on since April and has had plenty of time to settle. Any help would be appreciated

I have this same issue with my front springs. I bought new OEM springs for the rear thinking the old springs gave it the reverse rake but even after they were installed I still have some reverse rake because the front sits too high even on stock springs. Glad I’m not the only one. It has been driving me nuts.

 

[the_welfare_wagon]

I have this same issue with my front springs. I bought new OEM springs for the rear thinking the old springs gave it the reverse rake but even after they were installed I still have some reverse rake because the front sits too high even on stock springs. Glad I’m not the only one. It has been driving me nuts.

The amount of space I have up front is ridiculous. It makes my 32s look stock size. I cant figure out why or how. Ive heard that moog 81088 is the moog version of the 99 tall springs which is ~1 inch lift. Dont quote me on that though. I attached a photo below of my current wheel gap so you can see just how much it is.

 

[3bears]

The amount of space I have up front is ridiculous. It makes my 32s look stock size. I cant figure out why or how. Ive heard that moog 81088 is the moog version of the 99 tall springs which is ~1 inch lift. Dont quote me on that though. I attached a photo below of my current wheel gap so you can see just how much it is.

and I beleive the moog 81041 is the talls for the rear. Thats what I have in my notes, but the last time I did one with "talls" I ended up going toyota from McGeorge.

since this seems to be a popular way to go ....and not very expensive.....would be nice to know if those are the correct numbers for those in future who want to do this 99 "tall lift"

me...thinking of doing a dobsons 2 inch lift, but budget has been tight...maybe Ill go talls.

 

[the_welfare_wagon]

[MENTION=124615]3bears[/MENTION] I used the moog 81041 springs before. The reason I switched to 890s is because even brand new those springs sagged and gave me rake. Once I went up to 890s Im now about 1.5-2 inches higher in the rear and loaded up it just about evens out. Only time the 890s sagged was when I loaded up my hitch basket with 6 bundles of firewood, in addition to the 250-300 lbs of gear in the back. The basket hangs like 3ft behind the hitch so that weight is multiplied by a LOT

 

[repo]

The 6112's I bought came with 600# springs, set perch 3 & 4 2.5" lift. I have an AOR plate bumper 107#, winch 67#
Minus 01 fat lip 96# removed have only added 78# rides/handles real good. Will be going to notch 4 & 5 more than likely For less rake.

I paired the 5160's with OME 890's with modified cone gives 3.25-3.5" lift. 890's did handle 110# of free weights w/spare well. target weight for rear bumper build rode around with weights for 6 months. Trip loaded air bags maybe later.

On second set of SPC UCA's I like em.

You used the 3rd gen 5160 or 4th gen/FJ 5160 with 890s?

 

[repo]

Bilstein 6112's are a larger shock body and will not fit any OME springs. If you don't like the 600 lb/in springs that come with the 3rd Gen 4Runner specific 6112's then you will need a 14 inch long by 3 inch ID spring.

They also don't safely fit on a bunch of coil compressors I came to find out.

 

[96RedRunner]

You used the 3rd gen 5160 or 4th gen/FJ 5160 with 890s?

Land Cruiser - 5160's
Tundra - 6112's