4.5L Twin Turbo Diesel for 2020?

[Big_Cuss]

Heard from another thread that a source was claiming that Toyota will put the 4.5L Twin Turbo Diesel from the LC into the 2020 4Runner.

Anyone know enough to know if this is possible? I'd think so... but not sure. The engine apparently weighs north of 810 lbs, so I'd think the transmission and a good bit of the front suspension would have to be different.

Last, any idea what kind of cost premium this might be as an option?

 

[Asugm13]

Heard from another thread that a source was claiming that Toyota will put the 4.5L Twin Turbo Diesel from the LC into the 2020 4Runner.

Anyone know enough to know if this is possible? I'd think so... but not sure. The engine apparently weighs north of 810 lbs, so I'd think the transmission and a good bit of the front suspension would have to be different.

Last, any idea what kind of cost premium this might be as an option?

opcorn:

This should get good.....

But, at best they may put a diesel from a Prado.

 

[Grape Ape]

Yes, they are also going to be providing a dually option as well for improved traction across a six-wheel platform.

 

[Big_Cuss]

Eh, jokes aside, the 4.5L turbodiesel is pretty common in other markets already. But I'm not sure if it's used anywhere in the LC150 platform, or only bigger cars.

Also, from looking at Wikipedia, I have some question whether they'd use the single turbo version or twin turbo version. The single turbo version only makes like 210hp and 320 ftlbs torque... but with minor tweaks it could do a bit better. Not sure that little torque gain would be worth it over the convenience of gas tho.

 

[tls3601]

Jeep has one and Ford implies they may offer a diesel in the Bronco, why not Yota? They have made diesels for a long time, probably longer than Ford or the junky Jeep. Truth is the turbo diesel comes in a much different vehicle than the Runner. The Australian 70 Series is one badass tank. Would love to see them do that though and is a solid front axle asking for too much? Hell just bring over the 70 Series. I would buy one in a heartbeat!’

 

[Grape Ape]

Eh, jokes aside, the 4.5L turbodiesel is pretty common in other markets already. But I'm not sure if it's used anywhere in the LC150 platform, or only bigger cars.

Also, from looking at Wikipedia, I have some question whether they'd use the single turbo version or twin turbo version. The single turbo version only makes like 210hp and 320 ftlbs torque... but with minor tweaks it could do a bit better. Not sure that little torque gain would be worth it over the convenience of gas tho.

Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. The unfortunate reality is the CAFE standards and the direction they are headed, the current math of the regulation shows a requirement of 55 MPG by 2025, making it really difficult to build trucks that meet standard, especially with a global shift to unibody. Add in the penalties and it's just not going to be worth it for manufacturers to not abide, look at Mercedes, they paid over $30M in fines for a single model.

 

[Hans Moleman]

Some people are just so gullible.

 

[Big_Cuss]

Some people are just so gullible.

Not really, especially if you a) realize the name of the source was listed before we redacted it, b) Toyota already makes this engine for other markets, c) there's a global effort to nix the Land Cruiser, in which case you could make an argument for turning the current 4Runner platform into the Land Cruiser, by offering a higher-trim/suspension/engine version in 2020+, d) the CAFE standards only apply across averages, so if they keep selling more hybrids and plug-ins they'd get there, e) competitors sell diesels, f) they could make a lot of money selling it.

Of course we all know everything will be electric one day. But that day is still 10-15 years off.

 

[spartacus]

3 percent of cars suv's in USA are diesel rest of the world it's close to 50 percent. The cost benefit is the key, combined gross margin return of investment for toyota without diesel engines in USA is amazingly good. Toyota makes diesel engines that are clean and meet cafe standards but lack in some safety features required by ntsb and toyota can definately meet those but they don't want to. Every year there are rumors and the answer from toyota is the same.

This year Toyota sales chief Jack Hollis,"
question; Will there ever be a diesel engine option for Tundra?

Answer; "There is definitely consideration. We’re considering it for more than just Tundra and Tacoma. At this point, there has not been a finalized plan to go forward, but diesel is definitely an option that we are considering for implementation on multiple products".

what is that saying,"wish in one hand and sh... in the other."

 

[tls3601]

I actually hope the mix the 200 Series Land Cruiser. It is a Land Cruiser by name only. The 70 Series is the only solid front axle true Land Cruiser IMO. And, sales of the 200 Series are lame here in USA as well.

 

[tls3601]

They nix, darn phone

 

[nb rob]

so the tacoma goes from a 4.0L to a 3.5L,
but the 4runner is going from a 4.0L to a 4.5L twin turbo diesel. Sounds good. Let's not bother looking at that with a critical eye.

 

[shakazulu12]

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I don't think there is any way that they cram that thing into the 4Runner. Maybe the LC stateside, but that would be the extent of it IMHO. The whole chassis and driveline would have to go and would be terribly unbalanced.

 

[RUNTHAT]

I already have my deposit in.

arty:

 

[jhguth]

Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. The unfortunate reality is the CAFE standards and the direction they are headed, the current math of the regulation shows a requirement of 55 MPG by 2025, making it really difficult to build trucks that meet standard, especially with a global shift to unibody. Add in the penalties and it's just not going to be worth it for manufacturers to not abide, look at Mercedes, they paid over $30M in fines for a single model.

they're actually in process to relax cafe standards and undo that rule
https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emi...ordable-fuel-efficient-safe-vehicles-proposed


we're still not getting a 4.5L diesel in the 4runner and the other thread's source doesn't actually know anything (i bet it's a random sales person or something)

 

[tls3601]

It is a big heavy engine, that is for sure! Good point you make. The chassis on the 70 Series is certainly robust enough for it. Not sure about the 4Runner. Funny thing is I recently looked at a 1985 4Runner and the frame was not as heavy as the current 5th gen even though the 1985 came from the factory with a solid front axle.

 

[redneckcrawler]

It is a big heavy engine, that is for sure! Good point you make. The chassis on the 70 Series is certainly robust enough for it. Not sure about the 4Runner. Funny thing is I recently looked at a 1985 4Runner and the frame was not as heavy as the current 5th gen even though the 1985 came from the factory with a solid front axle.

That's not really a surprise. Look at a '85 vs '18 Chevy or Ford truck. Hell, the Tacoma is bigger than most half tons from the 80s.

 

[Flighht2k]

I actually hope the mix the 200 Series Land Cruiser. It is a Land Cruiser by name only. The 70 Series is the only solid front axle true Land Cruiser IMO. And, sales of the 200 Series are lame here in USA as well.

Yea that’s not true at all. The 200 is every bit a land cruiser

 

[Flighht2k]

It is a big heavy engine, that is for sure! Good point you make. The chassis on the 70 Series is certainly robust enough for it. Not sure about the 4Runner. Funny thing is I recently looked at a 1985 4Runner and the frame was not as heavy as the current 5th gen even though the 1985 came from the factory with a solid front axle.

The 85 having a solid axle is irrelevant to how strong the frame is.

 

[Bumbo]

Eh, jokes aside, the 4.5L turbodiesel is pretty common in other markets already. But I'm not sure if it's used anywhere in the LC150 platform, or only bigger cars.

Also, from looking at Wikipedia, I have some question whether they'd use the single turbo version or twin turbo version. The single turbo version only makes like 210hp and 320 ftlbs torque... but with minor tweaks it could do a bit better. Not sure that little torque gain would be worth it over the convenience of gas tho.

You live in CA OP… you should know better by now.

Current emissions on diesel trucks sucks. Get ready to stock up on some diesel exhaust fluid. Sounds like a joke but it’s not.