1engineer
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He does not have one.
4runner TRD Pro
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He does not have one.
philsey
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We don't NEED no stinking recovery hooks.
This is a classic case where both arguments are correct, despite the fact they would seem to be opposing points of view. The originally point made by 1engineer was that it made sense to pay "too much" for a built up truck, IF the upgrades were a model designation that would show up later in the Blue Book, NADA, etc.
The perfect example of that for this forum would be purchasing a Trail model. It already has lots of bells and whistles over a standard 4X4 SR5 which could be built up better / cheaper, but would ultimately re-sell for going prices on SR5's. Of course the Trail would re-sell for more, because a book treated as gospel by a huge segment of buyers and sellers says it's so.
Jesse's point is also valid for doing a build, then pulling off the parts to use again or sell. The advantage being you don't pay for something like the Crawl Mode on the Trail which looks cool but is seldom used. So you concentrate your cash on "custom" items.
Here's the rub on using the second method, which constitutes a double challenge. Firstly you've got to have the time, tools, and ability to install and then take off said parts. Or you have to pay to have that done, which seriously chips away any price advantage. Secondly (and this is the elephant in the room for many people) you've got to have the cash in your pocket for those upgrades. This as opposed to financing them into your payment schedule at the time of purchase.
Some folks actually want the experience of a hands on build done with their own tools. Others don't have the equipment of confidence, or maybe they just want to drive off the lot ready for the road TODAY. Then we have the cash out of pocket issue, which is a killer. How many guys (you ladies too) are "that" person. You know the one who bought for the "perfect build," only to spend almost half the life of their ownership period trying to get the money to finish?
In the end Toyota has done everyone here a huge favor on two levels. Their ad campaign will increase the image of the T4R (and your future trade in value), after having treated it as the ugly stepchild since about 2008. They've also made it possible for someone without the wherewithal financially or otherwise, to buy something special up front without having to build it themselves.
eddiebx
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One other thing to factor in is, "special edition" type models all most never hold their value as well as the good ol' regular models. ie. you pay the premium to buy the special edition, but you will have trouble selling it at that premium down the road unless you find that very specific buyer looking for it.
Generally speaking, the average consumer would see your used Pro edition 4runner listed for $5000 bucks more than all the other used 4runners on the market and wonder what's so special about it.
Unless this ends up becoming some super special and highly sought after collectors vehicle, you probably won't be able to recoup your money as well as a regular base model trail, or whatever.
But hey who cares, at the end of the day, it's only money right? :lalala:
1engineer
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I concur. [MENTION=47936]Maz[/MENTION] good post! Now, Jesse, if you hire the work out AND leave the parts on when you trade you just are SOL...lol.
Jeremy556
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There must be a joke I'm missing here?
The 5th gen front recovery hooks are the same as the late 4th gen ones, going through the front cross member (not just a radiator support), and welded on both sides. The early 4th gen recovery points were a loop that was welded to the bottom of that cross member, and are less than ideal.
Sure, a 3/4" piece of steel on the end of a frame horn would be better, but that's not realistic with modern OEM vehicles.
Notice the giant CAFE sign above the booths? Not sure if it's a coffee shop or the nasty vehicle meddling standards we are all going to learn to hate. If it's the latter, it sucks they put up a sign....its like a steak billboard at a vegetarian banquet.
Pay no attention to the 50 people eating at tables beneath the sign, I'm sure its a coincidence.
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There are certain 4th gen owners that still come around to make negative remarks for no other reason to remind us that they still hate what Toyota did with the 5th generation.
I HATED the 5th Gen when they came out. It was not until about 2012 that I finally warmed up to them. The only thing I really still hate about them, other than the fact there is no V8, is that bulge on the sides of the headlights.
NoDak
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Orc
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I got to see these at the Chicago auto show, these feel like a special edition to cap off the last year for these designs before major remodel.
Im sure they will be limited numbers of them, The T4R actually looks the best in person, the Taco reminds me of the old bay watch trucks with the crazy colors and dumb hood scoop!
Im sure they will be limited numbers of them, The T4R actually looks the best in person, the Taco reminds me of the old bay watch trucks with the crazy colors and dumb hood scoop!
sandcrawler
Senior Member
i'm glad to see the 4Runner get some love and attention, but disappointed it's the only model to get snubbed on the TRD exhaust. i've been lusting for those wheels since they were revealed on the FJ-S concept, so i'm super, super happy that they're actually being released. skid plate will be cool after introducing it to a rattle can of matte black or gunmetal.
all in all, nothing more compelling for me than the Trail already in my garage.
all in all, nothing more compelling for me than the Trail already in my garage.
jca21
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i'm hoping to order the trd springs and bilstein shocks from the trd pro 4runner and throw them in my TE.
you guys think it'll be possible to order the parts from dealers down the road? also lookin to get my hands on those wheels
arty:you guys think it'll be possible to order the parts from dealers down the road? also lookin to get my hands on those wheels
of course it will be possible to get these parts down the road. It shouldn't be any different than ordering current OEM springs/shocks directly from the parts catalog. Although, who knows the cost of all the items needed... they could become prohibitively expensive in some cases (see the cost of updating 10-13 Limited/SR5 to the Trail look)
The best case scenario would be that TRD makes the suspension package available as a complete package (that the dealer can install if desired).
