aggrobot
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wow! outpacing 2018 by 30%! Am I seeing that correctly?
6th Generation Coming in 2022?
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wow! outpacing 2018 by 30%! Am I seeing that correctly?
Ryan1975
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Possibly. Biggest January. Lets see if it holds. I know my dad just ordered his second 5th Gen (I'm on my third 5th Gen). Perhaps there are many others like us.
aggrobot
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It certainly is a counterpoint to the folks suggesting Toyota is leaving a lot of money on the table by not updating the 4runner. The way it looks to me, they are printing money. Change nothing in over a decade, add tech from other cars to refresh for pennies, and keep charging more and more and its been working for 10 years. I agree with what others are saying as it sure would be nice to see some more modern touches. From Toyota’s view, they’d be losing money by redesigning as they are still reaching their near peak potential market with a vehicle thats a decade old, cheaper to make by the year, and still flying off the lots.
Why so many? Do you drive a lot?
bigbwb
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I had a choice of another 4Runner (would be my 3rd 4th gen) or trying something different.
Decided to try something different, but staying in the Toyota family (Highlander Hybrid). I’m looking forward to the 6th gen and will probably be back in a 4Runner in a few years — assuming Toyota doesn’t mess it up.
Looking at the sales numbers and it’s pretty astounding for a vehicle introduced in 2010.
AgentKooper
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I had a choice of another 4Runner (would be my 3rd 4th gen) or trying something different.
Decided to try something different, but staying in the Toyota family (Highlander Hybrid). I’m looking forward to the 6th gen and will probably be back in a 4Runner in a few years — assuming Toyota doesn’t mess it up.
Looking at the sales numbers and it’s pretty astounding for a vehicle introduced in 2010.
How are you liking the Highlander Hybrid after so many years in 4Runners?
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Ryan1975
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Yup. Right now driving back and forth between Texas and Colorado.
TacoRunn0517
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This is literally what I say to people who say that Toyota NEEDS to update the 4Runner. There is no incentive for Toyota to change the 4Runner as long as there are people like me who have/will buy the current generation. What will push their hands is the EPA and Emissions standards (and anything else that promotes "green" driving). For ever person here complaining about the 4Runner, there are that much more people heading to the dealership purchasing the latest MY 4Runner.
It’s a great truck no doubt about it, but Toyota really needs a full redesign and needs to absolutely hit it out of the ballpark. Too many competitors coming out with 4Runner killers (Ford Bronco, LR Defender, etc.) The new 4Runner doesn’t have to have a V8 necessarily, but it does need more hp and torque along with better gas mileage. A 48V mild hybrid electrical system would certainly do the trick. A 2 door version with a 6 speed manual transmission would also be on my wishlist, but might be a bridge too far.
Don't know...it's on order. Will let you know once it gets here.
manyamoori
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Yes, but 2022 is what most of us have been saying for over a year.
BlackWorksInc
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More than likely it'll be a '23 model from what it seems like. Unfortunately it's probably pretty locked-down that it'll be an I4/Hybrid of some kind given Toyota's gun-ho attitude of locking down on everything being Hybrid going forward. Go ahead and thank all them lovely "the 4Runner needs to be modern" people I guess?
In any case, I'm curious how many refreshes will be delayed/pushed back because of COVID, we're experiencing a huge shortage of semi-conductor chips that affecting parts supply for repairs and new production vehicles (among every other use for semi-conductor chips globally), so the next gen for the 4Runner might be pushed back further than late '22.
In any case, I'm curious how many refreshes will be delayed/pushed back because of COVID, we're experiencing a huge shortage of semi-conductor chips that affecting parts supply for repairs and new production vehicles (among every other use for semi-conductor chips globally), so the next gen for the 4Runner might be pushed back further than late '22.
Steve40th396
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I like the 5th Gen. If power is such an issue,supercharge it.
CO-Cygnus
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Yep. That's right, we decided that at our secret meeting last year. And if people keep complaining that the 4R is getting too modern we'll cancel I4 entirely for the mid-cycle refresh and you're getting an EV Only with 200 miles of range.
BlackWorksInc
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I honestly would not be entirely opposed to a pure EV SUV, while the unsprung weight of wheel hub motors would be horrendous, you could do some much more interesting styles of suspension and do some interesting things for off-road. It just comes to reliability and serviceability in the field, which EVs have not proven as of yet. Range is also an issue among other things. EVs are inevitable, but outside of major metropolitan areas; it will take a long time for that technology to become reliable and workable enough to be valid out in the booneys without a mobile repair center following you.
Plus in my personal opinion, if you're buying a 4Runner as a city/highway cruiser then you're better off investing in a Highlander, Sienna, or Sequoia at that point; or any other street oriented cruiser with much, much better features and value.
CO-Cygnus
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That's why a properly done Hybrid is a good thing, IMO. Toyota has been doing Hybrids for decades now and I trust that they can be made reliable.
Also, most of us agitating that the 4R is 'Too Old' have been wanting a properly tuned transmission with more gears and an improved motor. I'm not looking for a Highway cruiser, but it sure would be nice to get more than 16 MPG when I'm driving the truck down to SW Colorado or anywhere else that's more than an hour or two away. This is not 2012 anymore.
BlackWorksInc
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The thing is, as I pointed out in another thread, Toyota programs and builds their cars these days to be driven like a Prius. The Tacoma is a perfect example of "be careful what you wish for," on paper it's a redesigned V6 with an Atkinson's Style cycle for better cruising MPGs coupled with a modern 6spd transmission that should easily surpass the venerable A750. In practice? The way that thing is tuned, geared, and programmed if you drive it like a light truck it hunts for gears, has a gutless low-end thanks to the Atkinson's Style Cycle (usually reserved for Hybrids because of the poor low-end torque). That thing has had more ECM/ECT reprograms than I have seen for one Toyota in the last decade or two. It's supposed to be the "modern" Toyota Truck for fuel efficiency and emissions; in reality it is a big let down. Toyota doesn't care about performance or even driver comfort that much, they're busy turning everything into a Prius Variant.
Which is why I still hold disdain for the idea of a hybrid only 4Runner, or even a 6th gen with the Tacoma drivetrain. They just don't care anymore about anything but chasing those MPG and Emissions numbers.
