800 miles on it and its falling apart...

[Jetboy]

If I spent $48K on a 4Rrunner - it better say Landcruiser on the back.

That is unusual to have those issues.

 

[Heavy_GD]

Funny that OP didn't even mention the airbags. :tape:

 

[1engineer]

Well, actually, no. I expect more the more I pay. I'm not sure that's unreasonable. I think that's the demand part of supply and demand.

Um, no. The "demand" is people wanting a product.you have "expectations." There is no model for expectations. That's because everyone expects different things.

 

[michalik.piotr6837]

Its all relative and subjective I guess, also as suggested by the mixed responses and experiences. Yes, it is a huge leap (although not unreasonable one I believe) and no, I'm not too concerned. Simply trying to see if others had similar small shit fall off, break, etc. And, personally, I do expect more the more I pay weather its cars, watches, electronics, homes, etc. Thanks for the input.

 

[chmura]

Be happy you bought a 4runner and not a Tacoma.

Tacoma has been having a lot of recalls lately. Rear diff recall, camshaft position sensor recall, etc.

Toyota quantity seems to have going downhill lately.

 

[1engineer]

Be happy you bought a 4runner and not a Tacoma.

Tacoma has been having a lot of recalls lately. Rear diff recall, camshaft position sensor recall, etc.

Toyota quantity seems to have going downhill lately.

Please don't judge quality based on internet forums. Worst idea ever.

 

[Toffees]

Um, no. The "demand" is people wanting a product.you have "expectations." There is no model for expectations. That's because everyone expects different things.

No, they're actually very much the same in this case. That's the beauty of economics, $$$ is a proxy for all, even if imperfect. In simpler terms, if you didn't think it would meet your "expectations," you would have purchased something else.

 

[05Rrunner]

Be happy you bought a 4runner and not a Tacoma.

Tacoma has been having a lot of recalls lately. Rear diff recall, camshaft position sensor recall, etc.

Toyota quantity seems to have going downhill lately.

So true , i'm a 2017 Tacoma owners and I can testify the Tacoma world forms are very accurate as I'm a member there and agree the Tacoma quality is just absolutely terrible.

 

[markie671]

Everything is built by robots and assemble by humans.. no one is perfect.. a lemon within a batch.. that's why warrant exist.. toyota lives for its reliability I've owned them since 1985.. and Toyota care exist for this reason.. take it back have them check.. be glad it ain't a 300k car lmao..


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[SwayzeExpress]

I have over 175,000 miles between a 2008, 2012 and 2016 4Runners...and I've only ever had one warranty claim between the three trucks. That was the stereo in the 2008 that went bad and even then it was because of an ex-GF that I had, that refused to knock the snow off her boots.

I would have ditched her for that too!:cheers:

 

[SwayzeExpress]

No, they're actually very much the same in this case. That's the beauty of economics, $$$ is a proxy for all, even if imperfect. In simpler terms, if you didn't think it would meet your "expectations," you would have purchased something else.

not being rude but I don't buy it - expectations are subjective to the item in demand.

this is why commodities have grading systems to manage expectations.

If I expected minor things to go wrong under warranty does that mean I was less a part of the demand side when buying?

 

[Saker]

Please don't judge quality based on internet forums. Worst idea ever.

Wait, .............. WHAT?

 

[Toffees]

not being rude but I don't buy it - expectations are subjective to the item in demand.

this is why commodities have grading systems to manage expectations.

If I expected minor things to go wrong under warranty does that mean I was less a part of the demand side when buying?

Your expectations and my expectations may be different, but we both have more expectations for something we paid $30,000 for than something we paid $20,000 for*. This is simply because when you're paying more, you have more other choices you passed up to make this choice.

It doesn't matter what you specifically expect, you have more expectations.

I guess if you have limitless (or very large) income, or maybe you're a kid and your parents bought your 4R, then the difference between $20,000 and $30,000 and $40,000 (or in the rich kid case, $0, $0, and $0) is negligible and maybe you don't have more expectations.

In economic terms, when you spend more you have more opportunity cost (other things you could have bought) and the thing you're buying has more value (nominal and perceived). It's impossible to not expect more of something you paid more for unless money is immaterial to you (or you make irrational economic choices).

*Before anyone responds, "I could have paid $50,000 for xyz but I thought it was crap and didn't," please examine the statement; you chose not to buy it, you have no expectations for it, this only relates to purchases. I have 0 expectations for things I don't own (outside of sports teams that drive me insane).

**You also could find something priced lower that you think has higher value and make money on the arbitrage, but that's not the question here.

 

[derryck]

Your expectations and my expectations may be different, but we both have more expectations for something we paid $30,000 for than something we paid $20,000 for. This is simply because when you're paying more, you have more other choices you passed up to make this choice.

It doesn't matter what you specifically expect, you have more expectations.

I guess if you have limitless (or very large) income, or maybe you're a kid and your parents bought your 4R, then the difference between $20,000 and $30,000 and $40,000 (or in the rich kid case, $0, $0, and $0) is negligible and maybe you don't have more expectations.

In economic terms, when you spend more you have more opportunity cost (other things you could have bought) and the thing you're buying has more value (nominal and perceived). It's impossible to not expect more of something you paid more for unless money is immaterial to you (or you make irrational economic choices).

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate...at least not for everyone. My BMW was significantly more expensive than my 4Runner but I expect my 4Runner to be significantly more reliable and it has not disappointed. I think there's a reasonable expectation that any new (or almost new) vehicle should be relatively trouble free for some period of time but I'm not sure why cost should skew that. Many vehicles like the 4Runner have built a reputation for reliability over decades and I don't know many people that would argue that a BMW is (or should be) more reliable than say a 4Runner or a Camry because it cost more.

 

[1engineer]

So true , i'm a 2017 Tacoma owners and I can testify the Tacoma world forms are very accurate as I'm a member there and agree the Tacoma quality is just absolutely terrible.

I also am a Tacoma owner and very active on the Tacoma world forum. I, along with most owners, have zero problems with our trucks. A very vocal minority over there scream at the top of their lungs every chance they get on their problems. I wrote a post on the perceived quality differences. I do not think the quality is worse or better. I think the vehicle is fine for the market and design. I am hiPSI over there. Who are you?

 

[SacStateHornets]

If it is built by man, it is not perfect. Imagine spending $60,000+ like my family on a Mercedes and having the vehicle towed leaving us stranded because of fuel delivery issues. Less than 5,000 miles on it.


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[SacStateHornets]

I am hiPSI over there. Who are you?

More than a minority. I see you and Smitty99 are buddies.
I go there just to read the horror stories. Morbid curiosity if you will.



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[05Rrunner]

I also am a Tacoma owner and very active on the Tacoma world forum. I, along with most owners, have zero problems with our trucks. A very vocal minority over there scream at the top of their lungs every chance they get on their problems. I wrote a post on the perceived quality differences. I do not think the quality is worse or better. I think the vehicle is fine for the market and design. I am hiPSI over there. Who are you?

Please don't judge quality based on internet forums. Worst idea ever.

agree , not listening to your opinion at all

 

[SwayzeExpress]

Your expectations and my expectations may be different, but we both have more expectations for something we paid $30,000 for than something we paid $20,000 for*. This is simply because when you're paying more, you have more other choices you passed up to make this choice.

It doesn't matter what you specifically expect, you have more expectations.

I guess if you have limitless (or very large) income, or maybe you're a kid and your parents bought your 4R, then the difference between $20,000 and $30,000 and $40,000 (or in the rich kid case, $0, $0, and $0) is negligible and maybe you don't have more expectations.

In economic terms, when you spend more you have more opportunity cost (other things you could have bought) and the thing you're buying has more value (nominal and perceived). It's impossible to not expect more of something you paid more for unless money is immaterial to you (or you make irrational economic choices).

*Before anyone responds, "I could have paid $50,000 for xyz but I thought it was crap and didn't," please examine the statement; you chose not to buy it, you have no expectations for it, this only relates to purchases. I have 0 expectations for things I don't own (outside of sports teams that drive me insane).

**You also could find something priced lower that you think has higher value and make money on the arbitrage, but that's not the question here.

I see where you are coming from... but... that seems to insinuate that you would put a lower selling price on a vehicle you put on the market if you had lower expectations vs a seller that had higher expectations, all else equal...

Also I need to state the obvious that around here 4runners are like wives were only you can say yours is a b

 

[1engineer]

No, they're actually very much the same in this case. That's the beauty of economics, $$$ is a proxy for all, even if imperfect. In simpler terms, if you didn't think it would meet your "expectations," you would have purchased something else.

Again, no. Expectations (need+want) drive demand. Demand drives supply and price. Econ101. And, price has no bearing on quality, reliability or durability. For example, the highest price 4Runner is around $45K. The highest priced Range Rover is around $135K. 3X the cost. Is it a higher quality, reliable or more durable? Nope. It does have a lot more features and options though. It also conveys a "status" that is not apparent with a 4Runner.

What blows me away is how some members equate a "40K" vehicle to an expensive vehicle. The AVERAGE price in2015 was 35K across all new vehicles sold here. Go price a JGC or an Explorer. Those things go way past the 4Runner. My wife's new Highlander went way past the 4Runner. Our expectations stayed the same as for any Toyota.