A/C Compressor Lock Sensor

DesertTortoise

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I'd imagine many have dealt with this already...

A/C blows hot. Relay is good. A/C control button blinks.

Jumped high side pressure sensor and got it to kick on briefly, then stops.

Hooked up manifold gauge. Cold pressures both at 100psi
Running with a/c on low side still at 100-110.

Jumped high side sensor again and low side instantly dropped to 40psi. Then started climbing back up to 100-120 within a couple seconds.

Tried to jump the compressor to see if I could bypass lock sensor but was unsuccessful.

I may have also done some damage when attempting to do this. Pulled out braided wire going into the clutch coil (yellow tip; located just below 3-prong lock sensor connector) and it came out with maybe 1/4" of silver braided wire on the end. Couldn't see it too well but it started to fray when I tried to re-insert it.

So no compressor jump but best guess is that the lock sensor is throwing bad signals on the speed of the pully (serpentine belt looks/sounds good) and causing the compressor to shut down within 2 seconds.

Anyone know of a way to solve this without replacing the entire compressor??
 
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Sounds like multiple issues if jumping the high side sensor causes it to work albeit briefly then turn off.

Pressures appear nominal.

You're in arizona. I wonder if the clutch is worn to the point that there is too much gap for it to engage. Or maybe it's able to just barely kick on and then loses its grip?

Definitely either a sensor / control issue and or bad clutch / magnetic coil.

If it was me I'd probably just swap the compressor and pressure switch.
 
Yeah could be the gap, too. Don't have a feeler gauge so not sure yet.

I'm not sure if the a/c control knob light still blinks if it's just the clutch slipping. If so, then yes, it's either of those things.

But the lock sensor is known to stop the entire system if it detects a variance between the rpms at the compressor vs. the engine rpms. If that's it, then the high side sensor is not necessarily bad - but of course could be coincidentally.
 
i copied/pasted the first post into ChatGPT and here's what it said:
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— the poster is very close on the lock-sensor theory, but there are a couple of important details I'd point out.

The behavior they describe is almost textbook Toyota compressor-lock protection:

Static pressure around 100 psi on both sides → that's plausible for a charged system at ambient temperature.
A/C commanded on → compressor clutch engages.
Low side immediately falls toward 40 psi → compressor is actually pumping refrigerant.
Within ~2 seconds, compressor shuts off and the low side rapidly equalizes back toward 100–120 psi.
A/C indicator starts blinking.

Toyota's system specifically watches the relationship between engine RPM and compressor RPM. If the compressor speed signal indicates that the compressor isn't turning at the expected speed, the A/C amplifier interprets that as a locked/slipping compressor and shuts the clutch off. Toyota documentation describes the fault detection as occurring after roughly 3 seconds of an abnormal speed relationship.

So the fact that the compressor does pump when initially engaged is actually a pretty important clue. It makes "the compressor is completely seized" much less likely.

But I would NOT condemn the lock sensor yet

The Toyota diagnostic tree generally has several possibilities:

Compressor lock sensor
Wiring/connectors between the sensor and A/C amplifier
Compressor clutch/compressor itself
Belt/slippage
A/C amplifier

Toyota's own diagnostic procedure has you test the lock-sensor resistance and wiring before condemning components.

And there's another interesting possibility here: the clutch coil wire he pulled out.

That sounds like he may have damaged the magnetic clutch coil lead, not the lock-sensor wiring. If so, I'd be very concerned about that before doing anything else. The compressor assembly has separate circuits for the magnetic clutch and lock sensor; on Toyota systems, the lock sensor is the speed-feedback circuit while the clutch circuit actually supplies the coil.

There is also a much easier test

If this is the Toyota application I'm thinking of, you don't necessarily need to "jump the compressor" in some exotic way.

You can determine what's happening electrically by watching the clutch command:

A/C on → clutch gets 12 V → clutch engages → ~2–3 sec later 12 V disappears → A/C light flashes

If that's exactly what happens, the A/C control system is commanding the shutdown, rather than the clutch simply dropping out on its own.

Then I'd test the lock sensor directly.

Toyota gives resistance specifications for the sensor depending on the compressor/application. For example, one Toyota procedure specifies 65–125 Ω at 20°C, while another Toyota compressor uses 160–210 Ω. So the exact vehicle/compressor matters here.

And ideally, you want to look at the lock-sensor pulse waveform while the compressor is running. That's the definitive test because the amplifier isn't merely looking for "continuity"; it's looking for the expected compressor-speed pulses. Toyota service information actually specifies checking that waveform.

One thing I'd tell the poster

Don't keep jumping the high-pressure sensor.

If the system is genuinely around 100 psi static and the compressor immediately produces a 40-psi suction pressure, the refrigerant circuit is telling us something useful. Bypassing the pressure protection can turn a diagnostic exercise into a compressor/condenser problem if there really is a pressure issue.

And the fact that jumping the pressure sensor makes the compressor engage doesn't prove the pressure sensor is bad. It may simply be bypassing the control circuit that is preventing compressor operation.

Interestingly, Toyota/Denso have documented cases where a bad magnetic-clutch relay causes the exact symptom of an A/C light flashing, including on 2002–2004 4Runners. So if this happens to be one of those vehicles, I'd verify the relay part number/function before buying a compressor.

Bottom line: their "lock sensor" hypothesis is quite reasonable, but I'd diagnose it as lock-sensor circuit / clutch / relay / wiring rather than assuming the sensor itself is bad. And if they really pulled a braided clutch-coil lead out of the compressor, I'd repair/verify that first.

If you tell me what Toyota/model/year this forum post is about, I can dig up the exact compressor connector pinout, lock-sensor resistance spec, and a safe way to test the clutch without replacing the compressor.
 
It's deeply anti-social to paste a bunch of AI slop you didn't bother to read but you expect that others should.

OP can ask chatgpt if he wants, you aren't doing him any "favors" here and you aren't contributing.
 
It's deeply anti-social to paste a bunch of AI slop you didn't bother to read but you expect that others should.

OP can ask chatgpt if he wants, you aren't doing him any "favors" here and you aren't contributing.

Your feelings are irrelevant and I don't care to be "social". I simply like to contribute and be helpful.

ChatGPT is a great tool, and the OP can keep asking people for opinions, and go back n forth with people as much as he wants. He has choices, and I simply provided one solution that appears to be logical with a good explanation. He can also read the FSM and do the step by step troubleshooting, but ChatGPT summarized all those steps for him.
 
Your feelings are irrelevant and I don't care to be "social". I simply like to contribute and be helpful.

ChatGPT is a great tool, and the OP can keep asking people for opinions, and go back n forth with people as much as he wants. He has choices, and I simply provided one solution that appears to be logical with a good explanation. He can also read the FSM and do the step by step troubleshooting, but ChatGPT summarized all those steps for him.

Dude just no. You _are not being helpful_. Your world salad post is just crapping up the thread. It lists a bunch of random resistance values for a sensor that is not tested via resistance. It suggests testing the MG CLT relay when the given symptoms preclude that as a possibility- not to mention that is more of a Camry issue. Then it recommends not jumping the limit switch to a dude that is gauged up and monitoring pressures. And it rehashes half the discussion that's already happened in here.

If you want to contribute, you should contribute in engaging in the dialogue. It's fine if you want to consult AI but you need to validate its citations AND use your own words in the forum based on your actual experience on the subject.
 
BTW op if you decide you want to try swapping the lock sensor I have a spare you can have for the cost of shipping.

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