A different review.

[RedRunner_87]

Ok guy.

No one argues that this particular transmission is greatly lacking.

I’m asking what the advantages are of a manual when off road.

Does crawl control and atrac work with a manual?




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They don't offer crawl control on the manual Tacoma's. ATRAC works with the manual.

 

[MossJenks]

It's literally a waste of time and effort to drive one on and off road.

Good riddance.

That and Toyota screwed over lots of FJC and Taco drivers with its shitty T/O bearing issues.

Yep. Definitely embarrassed that you don't know how to operate one.

 

[probos]

Bad review IMO. They don't know what they're talking about.

They know enough and it's a positive, well done review. Are they obtuse 4Runner fanboys? No. That's a plus to me.

 

[probos]

Yeah, you're right about that - but I've never understood their reviews very well because I've never understood why the general public is so hot and heavy for SUVs. I've had 4 4Runners, a Tacoma and an Isuzu Amigo but I just don't get why most people want SUVs. If you don't take them up to the mountains and beat on them what's the point? The flip side is the unpopularity of wagons. It makes no sense - for 99.99% of drivers a wagon is demonstratively superior to an SUV. Holds just as much stuff, available with AWD for the snow but handles and rides much better due to the lower center of gravity. I've had several wagons and several off-road trucks and I can't for the life of me see why I'd want something in between.

I'm not sure the general public is "hot" for SUVs anymore. More people go for Crossovers -- which goes to your point. They're an "in between".

I would say that I'm the type of person you're talking about -- I've owned three 4Runner's and outside of some moderate trail type stuff I don't do anything truely off-road. My 4Runner is my daily driver. It's funny you mentioned wagons -- I've done some research on wagons and I do like them a lot and could see myself going for one at some point in the future. Or a nice hatchback.

 

[js4rnr]

That was worth the read!

 

[tk for tu juan]

...the commanding view you get behind the wheel and militaristic interior architecture make every ride feel like an important mission.

My favorite line from the article. The 4Runner's interior holds true to the engineer's mantra of form follows function. Everything you need to complete your task is there without a lot of extra unneeded flair.

 

[LandCruiser]

Yep. Definitely embarrassed that you don't know how to operate one.

Yep.

Embarrassed that I was dumb enough to buy a 2007 FJ Cruiser with the 6MT TO bearing issue, Toyota refused to address it after it got off warranty, then they offered a "courtesy" repair but said it's because water got into the t-case of a vehicle that didn't see water crossings, then the exact same thing happened with the bearing in less than 12 months, but Toyota said they're refusing to cover their repair warranty since it was a "courtesy" repair.

It was bad enough that Tacoma and FJ Cruiser owners had to turn to aftermarket solutions for Toyota's POS design.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...ring-release-bearing-issues-v6-6speed.120059/

This experience soured me away from buying Toyotas for a few years until I got my 2013 Trail.

Toyota can't build an MT worth a damn and can't fess up to a mistake.

 

[Quentin]

I do pretty tame off road driving all things considered. Enough to dent a skid plate which means just enough to necessitate something more than a crossover. I like the 2017 Tacoma 6MT much better than my dad’s 2011. As someone who enjoys daily driving a manual, I’d be all for it.


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[mscot]

I can see a manual in a sports car. not in a commuter or a US based "expedition" vehicle.
And even with sports cars, the computer can shift faster with paddle shifters than anyone can with a manual.
It just depends on what you're looking for.

I myself am ok admitting that while driving offroad I want to either pay attention to the trail or the scenery and not a clutch.

 

[Quentin]

I can see a manual in a sports car. not in a commuter or a US based "expedition" vehicle.

And even with sports cars, the computer can shift faster with paddle shifters than anyone can with a manual.

It just depends on what you're looking for.



I myself am ok admitting that while driving offroad I want to either pay attention to the trail or the scenery and not a clutch.

Functionally there is no real reason to choose a stick shift anymore. I still order them when available, though. Both of my Imprezas, both of my wife’s MINIs, my GTI, and my FR-S have all been manual transmission. I just enjoy them. Ripping off the perfect heel toe downshift is fun, too.


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