A Hybrid 4Runner Would be a Clownish Attempt to Appeal to Greenies Who Can’t do Math

[RichinRidgewood]

Or when you look at the ROI as something more than the impact on your personal bank account.

That said, our Rav4 hybrid has an ROI (for our bank account) of about 3 years and it's far more enjoyable to drive then the NA Rav4.

I may consider a hybrid 4R when it comes out but I doubt it. I'll either go Lexus or go with a different manufacturer when its time to replace the current 4R.

In the early 2000’s i was at Ford. The automotive mfg. community was just trying to all agree on the same plug for EVs and plug in hybrid vehicles so all could charge the same way. It took years just to agree on the plug.

Dont get all geek’d on the above it will take decades.

 

[Oldmanb777]

I believe that is the major point. All of the wireless charging will be standardized. All the same, no proprietary plugs or voltages or whatever.
I think this is big. It means that everyone will be on the same page for charging, just like current gasoline pumps. Everyone is agreeing to use the same charging, no USB or mini USB or fire wire. Everything will charge where ever you are. Certainly the infrastructure will take some time. but the weight of everyone being on the same page will make more assets available to build the infrastructure. I think the infrastructure will accelerate over a very short time.
AS the govt accelerates taxes on fossil fuels to subsidize electric energy, that will add fire to the building of infrastructure and accelerate it.
Our GX is a 2017. When we bought it, i looked at Tesla. Besides not making anything I wanted, the infrastructure wasn't there to support our mission for the car. Just in that short time frame, the charging stations have been installed to meet our needs.
But I still like my V-8

 

[LandCruiser]

So we are all to have plug in hybrids and EVs and rely on green energy even when the model state for hybrids, EVs, and green energy can't keep the lights on and expects you to swelter in the dark from 4-9 pm when it gets hot.

It makes perfect sense to keep pushing ahead with this tech when it has been proven to be a joke in CA.

That's not even mentioning abysmal QC coming from Tesla which would make a drunk stoned FCA union slob seem like a custom builder.

 

[Jetboy]

The upcharge for something like a Rav4 Hybrid is $800. The ROI depends on fuel and resale. But it's $800 - WGAF? the hybrid rav is easily $800 better. The only reason they aren't selling more is that they can't build them fast enough.

A hybrid T4R will be the top model. If it's only $800 or $1k more - there's no question it'll be a great seller. And if it can do half of what the F150 hybrid has built in - it'll be a far better camping platform too.

 

[Jetboy]

So we are all to have plug in hybrids and EVs and rely on green energy even when the model state for hybrids, EVs, and green energy can't keep the lights on and expects you to swelter in the dark from 4-9 pm when it gets hot.

It makes perfect sense to keep pushing ahead with this tech when it has been proven to be a joke in CA.

That's not even mentioning abysmal QC coming from Tesla which would make a drunk stoned FCA union slob seem like a custom builder.

PHEV energy can flow both directions. PHEVs may help solve the intermittent renewable generation problem, not exacerbate it. It probably does make sense to push ahead with a distributed battery bank in the form of PHEVs that also allow the system to take all of the energy output when it is available instead of wasting it during high generation hours.

 

[LandCruiser]

PHEV energy can flow both directions. PHEVs may help solve the intermittent renewable generation problem, not exacerbate it. It probably does make sense to push ahead with a distributed battery bank in the form of PHEVs that also allow the system to take all of the energy output when it is available instead of wasting it during high generation hours.

I thought about getting the Cayenne Hybrid for this reason since I don't drive far and plugging it in would seriously cut my gas consumption, but it just didn't seem worth it for the cost premium over the base.

 

[Jetboy]

I thought about getting the Cayenne Hybrid for this reason since I don't drive far and plugging it in would seriously cut my gas consumption, but it just didn't seem worth it for the cost premium over the base.

I just want to park in the PHEV spots. When is someone going to make an aftermarket faux plug in door that we can install in the fender for pretend charging?

 

[LandCruiser]

I just want to park in the PHEV spots. When is someone going to make an aftermarket faux plug in door that we can install in the fender for pretend charging?

In Cali only the EVs get special parking and there's no more HOV exemption for hybrids... if anything all the HOV lanes are being converted to toll express lanes.

 

[actionindex]

$$$ ROI on a hybrid would be less important to me than the extended range that comes from a higher MPG

 

[AgentKooper]

It'll be interesting to see what happens in this realm. I would have thought the price on hybrids would have come down by now. I rented a Prius about a decade ago out of curiosity and quite liked it. I love the idea of a hybrid 4Runner and am surprised we don't have one yet. That said, I wouldn't pay a massive premium for one. I was pricing F-150s the other day, and you have to get almost the top trim level before you can get the hybrid -- an extra $20K or so.

 

[techno]

$$$ ROI on a hybrid would be less important to me than the extended range that comes from a higher MPG

This. If I can get 500+ mile range from a hybrid 4Runner, I'll buy it.

 

[thennen]

This. If I can get 500+ mile range from a hybrid 4Runner, I'll buy it.

My stock 2019 4R is currently getting 21.7 mpg at the moment. The low fuel light comes on at about 410 miles. At that point I have trouble squeezing 19 gallons into it (23-gallon tank). So I'm not far from a 500-mile range already. Again, it's stock, and I know tires, lift, etc. will lower mpg. But I'm happy with the range I'm getting.

 

[ElectroBoy]

My stock 2019 4R is currently getting 21.7 mpg at the moment. The low fuel light comes on at about 410 miles. At that point I have trouble squeezing 19 gallons into it (23-gallon tank). So I'm not far from a 500-mile range already. Again, it's stock, and I know tires, lift, etc. will lower mpg. But I'm happy with the range I'm getting.

Wow. Is that MPG from using hypermiling techniques, highway or combined, and hand calculated?
I can get that only when driving 65 MPH on a flat and straight highway on cruise control.

 

[BlackCloud]

My stock 2019 4R is currently getting 21.7 mpg at the moment. The low fuel light comes on at about 410 miles. At that point I have trouble squeezing 19 gallons into it (23-gallon tank). So I'm not far from a 500-mile range already. Again, it's stock, and I know tires, lift, etc. will lower mpg. But I'm happy with the range I'm getting.

I drained my tank once and learned with neck, fuel lines, etc, it is almost 25 gallons exactly.

 

[thennen]

Wow. Is that MPG from using hypermiling techniques, highway or combined, and hand calculated?
I can get that only when driving 65 MPH on a flat and straight highway on cruise control.

Not hypermiling, but I do drive with a light foot. Maybe 75% highway, which helps. I’m in central Ohio, so flat to gentle hills. Every time I’ve hand calculated, it’s been within about 0.1 of what the truck says. It was at 21.9 a couple months ago but I think winter gas has arrived.

 

[thennen]

I drained my tank once and learned with neck, fuel lines, etc, it is almost 25 gallons exactly.

You emptied your tank, or drove it dry? I’d be afraid of ruining the pump if the latter. Once the low fuel light comes on, I fill up. But nice to know there’s a good reserve left.

 

[rdruss]

Read some of a recent Car and Driver article on line this morning where Toyota has announced the release of full ev SUV for Europe and they have a complete lineup to announce soon. So here we go!

 

[BlackCloud]

You emptied your tank, or drove it dry? I’d be afraid of ruining the pump if the latter. Once the low fuel light comes on, I fill up. But nice to know there’s a good reserve left.

Drove it dry with a gallon in the back to refill and keep driving. Did it as a one time test.

Toyotas don't break.

 

[rdruss]

Toyota stock up almost 8 points today! They announce " Toyota Equips Kenworth Truck with Updated Fuel Cell" this is their 2nd generation fuel cell electric system with Kenworth. You can read about it at finance.yahoo.com.
Toyota is not as lagging in alternate fuel power systems as some would believe.

 

[thennen]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Toyota avoids mass applications of turbos (a la other manufacturers) in favor of hybrids. As an example, the RAV4 Prime puts out 302 horsepower, but its 2.5 gas engine is good for only 177. So the electric bit adds about 125 horsepower, which is similar to a turbo. And an electric motor delivers its torque way down low where most people feel the difference. I’m no expert, so I may be overlooking something.