Advice requested. Not the typical 35" tire question

[owyheerat]

Yes, I have the Spidertrax 1.25" wheel spacers. I just barely rub on the frame rail at full lock.

I didn't "tub" the firewall, but I beat the heck out of it with a big hammer. In retrospect, I wish I would have tubbed it. It would have came out cleaner.

Jeremy,

Do you have aftermarket UCA's? Spidertrax only on the front?

Regarding 'tubbing', the write up that ajordan1975 provided is good, but do you have a method you would have followed?

Have you been happy with 529's and 35's? I know you have the V6.

Thanks

Durwin

 

[rideexileex]

One thing that I don't have direct experience with, but a good wheeling buddy of mine had the 33X10.5r15's on his rig (pretty common), and he always complained about the way that the tires deflected sideways, from being so skinny, when off-camber. I can only imagine this would be worse with the 35x10.5.

Washerfluid - answer is most likely. If you flex it like crazy, you'll eventually rip the pumps out of the reservoir. I lost the inner splash guard really fast, and usually every 'hard' wheeling trip i loose the pump. But somehow, I've always, save one time, been able to just pop it back in and refill the reservoir.

Definitely need a tub job.

 

[Bandit Runner]

Jeremy,

Do you have aftermarket UCA's? Spidertrax only on the front?

Regarding 'tubbing', the write up that ajordan1975 provided is good, but do you have a method you would have followed?

Have you been happy with 529's and 35's? I know you have the V6.

Thanks

Durwin

Wheel spacers on front and rear. OEM uca's.

No plan for tubbing. Probably would just wing it.

35s and 529's are alright. Not great. I will be ordering a supercharger soon for more power.

 

[owyheerat]

One thing that I don't have direct experience with, but a good wheeling buddy of mine had the 33X10.5r15's on his rig (pretty common), and he always complained about the way that the tires deflected sideways, from being so skinny, when off-camber. I can only imagine this would be worse with the 35x10.5.

Washerfluid - answer is most likely. If you flex it like crazy, you'll eventually rip the pumps out of the reservoir. I lost the inner splash guard really fast, and usually every 'hard' wheeling trip i loose the pump. But somehow, I've always, save one time, been able to just pop it back in and refill the reservoir.

Definitely need a tub job.

This is definitely something I need to consider. Does your buddy air down when offroad? And still has noticeable sideways deflection?

Thanks for your input.

Durwin

 

[owyheerat]

Bump...

Anybody else have an opinion on this?

 

[Sean K.]

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This is definitely something I need to consider. Does your buddy air down when offroad? And still has noticeable sideways deflection?

Thanks for your input.

Durwin

Side slip is largely a problem with clam shell rather than sectional style tire molds. Interco Swampers Bias Ply use clam shells....I *believe* the SSR radials do as well.....and their narrower tires side slip in part due to this design. However, on a 35x10.5, I doubt it would be much of a problem. I ran 38x12.5-15 TSL/SXs for years and they were some of the best tires offroad I've ever run....no side slipping at all. By contrast, I also ran a set of 39.5x13.5-17 Bias Iroks (D range sidewall)....and the rolled the sidewalls like no other.

 

[Chuckles89]

Go for it dude! Do the radial swampers ride like regular radial tires? Because my bias ply swampers won't go over 60mph without violent bouncing. They are perfectly balanced at 60 and below luckily.

I have the 34x10.50-16 TSL LTB tires and I love them! I have a V6 manual with stock 4.10 gears and I still have plenty of power... faster than your average person accelerating from a red light. Low range crawling is a little worse, but still manageable. I would love to have dual cases one day.

For my clearance-ing, I just cut and folded the pinch weld with some other minor hammering. I just barely fit them at full bump. In fact, I need to do more to account for the bump stops squishing under pressure. I don't come anywhere near contacting the actual fender itself. All I cut off on it was a small tab at the bottom.

 

[Sean K.]

Go for it dude! Do the radial swampers ride like regular radial tires? Because my bias ply swampers won't go over 60mph without violent bouncing. They are perfectly balanced at 60 and below luckily.

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Generally speaking....while I love Swampers....they aren't good road tires. Full disclosure...I've never owned a set of SSRs. The sidewalls seemed weaker than BFGs in terms of how easy friends have cut them on the trail. The guys I know that have run them have had balancing issues. However, some weren't doing a dynamic, but rather just a static balance and most didn't find a shop with a Hunter GSP9700 or similar road force balancing machine. The problem with Interco is that most of their tires just aren't round. I can balance a football on a tire machine....but it won't go down the road without vibration....and a lot of that is simply the aggressive nature of their 3 stage lugs....trying to balance all those big lugs is no simple task.

 

[owyheerat]

Thanks for the input. Regarding Super Swampers, the only reason I am looking at them, they are the only tall skinny 35's I could find. I would be open, and actually would prefer something less aggresive. I really don't want to install wheel spacers, which I think I would have to do in order to fit 315's.

I definitely want a tough tire. There are a lot of rocks on the trails I run.

Durwin

 

[Sean K.]

Thanks for the input. Regarding Super Swampers, the only reason I am looking at them, they are the only tall skinny 35's I could find. I would be open, and actually would prefer something less aggresive. I really don't want to install wheel spacers, which I think I would have to do in order to fit 315's.

I definitely want a tough tire. There are a lot of rocks on the trails I run.

Durwin

You won't find a much tougher tire than a bias Super Swamper....but IME, the SSR isn't a very strong sidewall'd tire. They cut around here waaay too easy. That said, for a trailer queen, bias skinny Swampers would be great....but for a vehicle that will drive several hundred miles on paved roads to reach a trail head....they're pretty bad. Unfortunately, there just aren't a lot of options for pizza cutters in the size you're looking at. Sucks....b/c I actually prefer the narrower tire in most situations.

Personally, I'd still go with a super aggressive tire.....but I'd probably pick something a lot more road friendly even if I had to go with something wider. Pitbull Radial Rockers are a great offroad tire and are acceptable on the highway. They are expensive and the durometer is as close to a competition compound as you can get....which means it wears fairly fast....you'll likely get 20-30K miles at most. That durometer is fantastic on the trail, but if you're not rockcrawling....it's not necessary to be that sticky.

The other option would just be a 315 or 35" radial....but that is likely to be at least a 12.5" wide option.

 

[owyheerat]

You won't find a much tougher tire than a bias Super Swamper....but IME, the SSR isn't a very strong sidewall'd tire. They cut around here waaay too easy. That said, for a trailer queen, bias skinny Swampers would be great....but for a vehicle that will drive several hundred miles on paved roads to reach a trail head....they're pretty bad. Unfortunately, there just aren't a lot of options for pizza cutters in the size you're looking at. Sucks....b/c I actually prefer the narrower tire in most situations.

Personally, I'd still go with a super aggressive tire.....but I'd probably pick something a lot more road friendly even if I had to go with something wider. Pitbull Radial Rockers are a great offroad tire and are acceptable on the highway. They are expensive and the durometer is as close to a competition compound as you can get....which means it wears fairly fast....you'll likely get 20-30K miles at most. That durometer is fantastic on the trail, but if you're not rockcrawling....it's not necessary to be that sticky.

The other option would just be a 315 or 35" radial....but that is likely to be at least a 12.5" wide option.

Sean, I appreciate your thoughts and insight. I imagine you have more rocks down there than what I run into. The SSR's that you have seen punctured, or ripped, were they on hardcore trails? Rock crawling? I'm just trying to get a point of perspective.

Mine is not a trailer queen, I drive it to the trail, so I want something with decent road manners and wear. It doesn't look like Pitbull makes a tire the size I want, unless I overlooked it?

Thanks again for your input.

Happy Thanksgiving

Durwin

 

[Sean K.]

Sean, I appreciate your thoughts and insight. I imagine you have more rocks down there than what I run into. The SSR's that you have seen punctured, or ripped, were they on hardcore trails? Rock crawling? I'm just trying to get a point of perspective.

Mine is not a trailer queen, I drive it to the trail, so I want something with decent road manners and wear. It doesn't look like Pitbull makes a tire the size I want, unless I overlooked it?

Thanks again for your input.

Happy Thanksgiving

Durwin

No, it was on rockcrawling trails....I wouldn't call it extreme rockcrawling though....more like moderate trail running. Unfortunately, they cut easier than BFGs seem to....granted, that's anecdotal experience.

I completely understand that you're not a trailer queen....which is why it's so important to get something that has decent road manners. Generally speaking....Swampers aren't that tire....though SSRs are markedly better than the bias versions. It all depends on what you're used to currently. If you're running (and forgive me if you mentioned it) a P series radial.....an SSR is going to be a drastic departure in terms of road manners.

Pitbull, like just about any radial manufacturer out there only has more standard sizes....like the 35x12.5R17...which is what I meant your other option being a standard radial in a 35 or 315....they're all going to be in that 12.5" wide range, which is not what you're looking for.

 

[Sean K.]

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

 

[owyheerat]

No, it was on rockcrawling trails....I wouldn't call it extreme rockcrawling though....more like moderate trail running. Unfortunately, they cut easier than BFGs seem to....granted, that's anecdotal experience.

I completely understand that you're not a trailer queen....which is why it's so important to get something that has decent road manners. Generally speaking....Swampers aren't that tire....though SSRs are markedly better than the bias versions. It all depends on what you're used to currently. If you're running (and forgive me if you mentioned it) a P series radial.....an SSR is going to be a drastic departure in terms of road manners.

Pitbull, like just about any radial manufacturer out there only has more standard sizes....like the 35x12.5R17...which is what I meant your other option being a standard radial in a 35 or 315....they're all going to be in that 12.5" wide range, which is not what you're looking for.

OK, thanks for clarifying. I am currently running D rated Maxxis Bighorns. I am mostly happy with them, i just want 35's. I'm not sure how SSR's compare?

 

[Sean K.]

OK, thanks for clarifying. I am currently running D rated Maxxis Bighorns. I am mostly happy with them, i just want 35's. I'm not sure how SSR's compare?

Bighorns.....I doubt there will be a drastic difference then in terms of ride quality. The SSRs will likely be harder to balance (Maxxis uses better sectional molds) with all the voids and different sized outer lugs. Once you said what you were running....I remembered you mentioned it. Apologies. For some reason, it was stuck in my head that you were going from a much less aggressive tire.

As I said, I wasn't terribly impressed with the SSR sidewall, but if you're used to the ride/noise from Maxxis Bighorns....I think you'll be fine with the SSR....and since it's the size you want, it makes sense to give it a try.

All that said, Swampers are often out of round....so make sure you buy from a company that will stand behind the product and has a road force balancer. If you have a Discount Tire in your area, I've had great luck with them in terms of customer service (not all of them have the Hunter GSP9700s though)....so if you have an out of round tire that is needing a ton of weight to balance....like more than 48 oz., it's a pretty safe bet that it's out of round and needs to be warrantied. You'll know when the tires are brand new too. If it's a bad tire, you'll know from the very beginning.