Amsoil for my 4Runner V8

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Zachary

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I used to use Mobil 1 in my 1993 T-Bird and loved it. I used to change the oil every 5,000 miles and never had to put even an ounce of oil between intervals. The best part was that I never noticed any sludge on the inside portion of the oil cap.

On my 2000 4Runner, my local oil change place only sold Penzoil synthetic. I had similar results with it.

I have been looking at Amsoil now for quite a while. In fact, I heard about it about 15 years ago but never bought any. I have reviewed the Amsoil website and it appears impressive. Granted, everyone will pound their chest for their product, but I seem to believe their literature.

Do any of you use Amsoil in your 4Runners? I'm planning on sticking with 5w-30. Amsoil says that their intervals are 25,000 miles. My 2005 BMW 545i has a 15,000 mile interval, but even Amsoil says to stick with BMW's oil (which I am almost certain must be made by Castrol).

Anyhow, I'll try the Amsoil and see how the viscocity holds up, but what about oil filters? Does Amsoil have oil filters specifically for an 05 with the 4.7liter V8?

Your comments would be appreciated.

Zachary
 
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Amsoil is good stuff, but it costs a bit more because of the MLM strategy the company uses to distribute it. They do have special filters they sell - both air and oil filters - which are supposed to be pretty good.

Just my opinion, but I'll stick with Mobil-1 and a factory or good brand-name filter. And no, I would never dream of keeping anything in my crankcase for 25,000 miles. Again, I am just too "old school" for that. Use Mobil-1 and change it almost as often as you would change dino juice....and your engine will probably last darn near forever. Today's engines, Toyota in particular, are good for 150 to 200 thousand miles with relatively little maintenance. Using synthetic oil will undoubtedly add to the longevity of your vehicle, no matter what your driving habits might be.
 
Zachary said:
I used to use Mobil 1 in my 1993 T-Bird and loved it. I used to change the oil every 5,000 miles and never had to put even an ounce of oil between intervals. The best part was that I never noticed any sludge on the inside portion of the oil cap.

On my 2000 4Runner, my local oil change place only sold Penzoil synthetic. I had similar results with it.

I have been looking at Amsoil now for quite a while. In fact, I heard about it about 15 years ago but never bought any. I have reviewed the Amsoil website and it appears impressive. Granted, everyone will pound their chest for their product, but I seem to believe their literature.

Do any of you use Amsoil in your 4Runners? I'm planning on sticking with 5w-30. Amsoil says that their intervals are 25,000 miles. My 2005 BMW 545i has a 15,000 mile interval, but even Amsoil says to stick with BMW's oil (which I am almost certain must be made by Castrol).

Anyhow, I'll try the Amsoil and see how the viscocity holds up, but what about oil filters? Does Amsoil have oil filters specifically for an 05 with the 4.7liter V8?

Your comments would be appreciated.

Zachary
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Zachary,

To answer your questions...
I have been using amsoil in my 4 runner for about 10K miles. Every fluid in my truck is amsoil except the trans fluid (oem toyota). THe oil filters perform great! I think they are a little on the pricey side. The application for your 05 4.7 is the SDF-57 oil filter. I can get them for you for 8 bucks. I offer a discount to all T4R.ORG members. Drop me a line and I can get you exact quotes for oil and filters.

Email is in the sig..

Jake
 
for the beemer, stick with the bmw oil, which is in fact relabeled castrol full synthetic specifically made for certain german cars and made in belgium.

as for amsoil in your 4runner, go for it... just make sure u change the filter every 5-7k miles. i'm not sure about doing the long oil drain interval though. maybe every 10k miles?

i use oem filter with mobil1 or castrol syntec full synthetic(made for german cars) every 5k miles.
 
I ordered my Amsoil stuff from Jake (but he's not selling it anymore). Does anyone know the difference between the SDF57 and the EAO57? Are they the same part? The filter I received said on the receipt that it was an EAO57 ... and the filter itself is noticeably shorter than the stock filter ... so I'm just curious about that ...
 

Just use Mobil-1 available at Wal-Mart, Pep Boys or Target. It is way better than 'dino oil' and will enable your 4Runner to outlast almost anything on the road.
 
EAO is replacing the SDF line:

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eao.aspx

Why are the SDF Filters being phased out?

AMSOIL is continually searching for new and innovative technologies to enhance its product line. With the advent of the nanofiber filtration media, AMSOIL desired to be on the cutting edge and provide the most innovative oil filter technology in the auto/light truck market.

I just changed from Castrol GTX and Wix to Amsoil Series 2000 0W30 and a EAO57.

I'm happy to pay a little more for Amsoil from a local shop or online than Mobil1 from a big-box retailer.
 
Just switched to AMSOIL series 2000 0W-30 and the Ea oil filter (w/ by-pass -- but that's for another thread) after allowing about 12K miles for a good break-in period. I'm about to replace the gear oil with AMSOIL as well.
 
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I also use the 0w-30 with the dual bypass and will be switching to the Ea nano-fiber filter. I have 10K on the current oil and will be sampling it at 12.5K. You can safely run this oil 10K or one year. Amsoil claims you can run it up to 35K miles or one year. I have seen this oil run over 20K mile in one year and tested to still provide safe protection. It all depends on the type of driving you do and the test results. Do not run extended changes without having the oil analyzed. Amsoil is one of the best oils on the market, especially for extended changes.

Koz
 
I'm doing something similar to Koz, but I don't have the dual bypass setup. I've got about 10k miles on my 0w-30 and will be doing an analysis at 12.5k.

Koz said:
I also use the 0w-30 with the dual bypass and will be switching to the Ea nano-fiber filter. I have 10K on the current oil and will be sampling it at 12.5K. You can safely run this oil 10K or one year. Amsoil claims you can run it up to 35K miles or one year. I have seen this oil run over 20K mile in one year and tested to still provide safe protection. It all depends on the type of driving you do and the test results. Do not run extended changes without having the oil analyzed. Amsoil is one of the best oils on the market, especially for extended changes.

Koz
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cpayne5 said:
I'm doing something similar to Koz, but I don't have the dual bypass setup. I've got about 10k miles on my 0w-30 and will be doing an analysis at 12.5k.
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Please keep us informed on your results!

Koz
 
There is nothing wrong with Amsoil. It's a good synthetic oil. The problem I have with it is all the hype that it is better than other synthetics and the price. I also don't like the extreme extended drain periods....how much are you actually saving?


You might already have this link, but it's a good source of information and opinions.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
 
JungleJim said:
There is nothing wrong with Amsoil. It's a good synthetic oil. The problem I have with it is all the hype that it is better than other synthetics and the price. I also don't like the extreme extended drain periods....how much are you actually saving?


You might already have this link, but it's a good source of information and opinions.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
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If you look at oil comparisons/lab tests and all the spec sheets, Amsoil is indeed one of the best, if not raked number 1 or 2. Amsoil costs a little more then average because it is not average and there are several other brands that cost more that don't rank as well. The only problem is you can't just go to the store and buy it. Many people are brand loyal and will find problems with the competition to feel better about their choice. Amsoil is definitely the best oil for extended drains (10K miles or 1 year). Just look at the test results and data available and you'll see that it is hard to find a better oil.

Koz
 
The 2 reasons I use Amsoil:

Amsoil is a great oil.

I get a warm fuzzy using it in my truck.


1/2 purpose, 1/2 indulgence.

I could run the cheapest 87 octane gas, use fram filters, generic oil, turtle wax, and my truck will last longer than I want it, perform fine, and won't have any problems.

I'm not trying to save money with oil changes. I waste more money on beer anyway.

Oil analysis is the only way to show which oil is working better. Even then, the difference between Amsoil, Mobil1, and the cheapest dino oil won't be enough for concern.

Use what you like, it is a Toyota.
 
I have 3 dirt bikes all run in motocross, 2 tractors, my 2 toyotas :D, and they ALL run amsoil. I have never had a problem. I am guessing your V-8 is the I-FORCE V8. I put 15W-50 in my Tundra its got the I-Force V8. Hope that helps.


P.S. PENZOIL SUCKS
 
All synthetics are overkill if you don't extend your oil changes. Even with that said synthetic is far superior to dino in everyway (look at the data), except price, even if the dino shows a good UOA. Like Bluto said, it give you that FUZZY feeling when you treat your 4Runner to the best.

Koz
 
Warranty, warranty, warranty. If you follow Toyotas OCI recommendations then you keep your warranty. If you do extended drain intervals with any oil/filter then your warrenty will be over. I paid for that 5 year 60K mile warranty with the price I paid for my 4runner and I am not giving it up. If I use a synthetic and Mobil 1 5w30 is a great one, I will change it every 5K miles. I know all the talk from Amsoil that they will cover you on the warranty issue. Don't believe the hype, you will be caught between two large companys Toyota and Amsoil and you will lose. For what to save a few $$$ for extended oil change? Go to www.bobistheoilguy.com and look at the oil change results that have been done on the Toyota 4.7 V8. You will see this engine is very easy on oil, it gets some of the best results using regular dino oil with 5K mile changes. It also gets great results using Mobil 1 5w30 at 10K mile changes. I would never run a oil (any oil) over 10K miles. Used oil analysis has shown that over about 12K miles the oils start to be marginal at best and that includes all of the best synthetics. Now if you are like KOZ and your running duel bypass filters and changing them regularly then you could get 25K miles out of a good synthetic (as long as you are also doing regular used oil analysis, but this set up along with the analysis costs more then doing regular oil changes with dino at 5k mile intervals and from everything I've read there is no proof that your engine will last any longer.
 
SWUtah said:
Warranty, warranty, warranty. If you follow Toyotas OCI recommendations then you keep your warranty. If you do extended drain intervals with any oil/filter then your warrenty will be over. I paid for that 5 year 60K mile warranty with the price I paid for my 4runner and I am not giving it up. If I use a synthetic and Mobil 1 5w30 is a great one, I will change it every 5K miles. I know all the talk from Amsoil that they will cover you on the warranty issue. Don't believe the hype, you will be caught between two large companys Toyota and Amsoil and you will lose. For what to save a few $$$ for extended oil change? Go to www.bobistheoilguy.com and look at the oil change results that have been done on the Toyota 4.7 V8. You will see this engine is very easy on oil, it gets some of the best results using regular dino oil with 5K mile changes. It also gets great results using Mobil 1 5w30 at 10K mile changes. I would never run a oil (any oil) over 10K miles. Used oil analysis has shown that over about 12K miles the oils start to be marginal at best and that includes all of the best synthetics. Now if you are like KOZ and your running duel bypass filters and changing them regularly then you could get 25K miles out of a good synthetic (as long as you are also doing regular used oil analysis, but this set up along with the analysis costs more then doing regular oil changes with dino at 5k mile intervals and from everything I've read there is no proof that your engine will last any longer.
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I agree with most of what you have said except a couple things. There has never been a problem (that I have seen) extending your oil change to 10K miles with a good synthetic. I have NEVER heard of any oil related failures with the Toyota 4.7, EVER or voiding the warranty using synthetic with extended changes (please let me know if there was). If you did have a problem that the stealer claimed was oil related (which is highly unlikely) the manufacture would have to prove it was related to the oil or the extended changes. That would be impossible if you have UOAs that show good protection with any amount of miles on it (this is the law). With that said I would not go beyond 10K miles or 1 year without a bypass, regardless.

With a dual bypass system and changing the filters (and UOAs) at the recommended intervals you can safely run the same oil for possibly 75 to 100K miles. There are UOAs that show good protection at 400K miles. I will probably change it at 50 to 75K (if the UOAs are good) Just to have that FUZZY feeling. Even at 50K miles the cost will be less then using a good synthetic and changing it at 5K, including the cost of the bypass. It is true that the 4.7 will last hundreds of thousands of miles using dino and changing it every 5K, but that's not to say my set-up will not last longer and cost less. That's because no one has gone through the trouble and documented it.

Koz
 
Koz said:
I agree with most of what you have said except a couple things. There has never been a problem (that I have seen) extending your oil change to 10K miles with a good synthetic. I have NEVER heard of any oil related failures with the Toyota 4.7, EVER or voiding the warranty using synthetic with extended changes (please let me know if there was). If you did have a problem that the stealer claimed was oil related (which is highly unlikely) the manufacture would have to prove it was related to the oil or the extended changes. That would be impossible if you have UOAs that show good protection with any amount of miles on it (this is the law). With that said I would not go beyond 10K miles or 1 year without a bypass, regardless.

With a dual bypass system and changing the filters (and UOAs) at the recommended intervals you can safely run the same oil for possibly 75 to 100K miles. There are UOAs that show good protection at 400K miles. I will probably change it at 50 to 75K (if the UOAs are good) Just to have that FUZZY feeling. Even at 50K miles the cost will be less then using a good synthetic and changing it at 5K, including the cost of the bypass. It is true that the 4.7 will last hundreds of thousands of miles using dino and changing it every 5K, but that's not to say my set-up will not last longer and cost less. That's because no one has gone through the trouble and documented it.

Koz
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Have fun. Let us know how it goes and post your UOA on www.bobistheoilguy.com
 
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