another raptor vs 4runner question

[taffetawhitegsr]

hi all.

so i have used the search function, but the vast majority of the posts are comparing the 5th gen 4R to the 2nd gen raptor.

my question is, has anyone switch from the 5th gen 4r to a 1st gen raptor or vice versa? im currently in an internal debate on if i want to make the switch to a 1st gen raptor from my 2019 TRD pro.

my reason for considering the trade is i still have to keep my 2003 tundra around for dirt biking and shooting. i love the 4runner for camping but having 2 cars just seems excessive. ive considered the trailer hitch dirt bike mounts but have heard mixed reviews on using one on a 5th gen.

any advice would be appreciated, thanks!


the 4Runner on the potential chopping block

 

[northcoast]

Assuming the Tundra is paid off, it's low cost to own. Just some liability insurance. I wouldn't recommend to go out and get 2 vehicles for your needs, but you already have it, and that's a different story. I would keep what you have...but up front, I'm not a Raptor guy. And it sounds like you really want one, reading between the lines and there might be some buyer's remorse with the 4R.

In the end, if you can take care of the financial aspect, go with your heart. We only get so many trips around that sun...

 

[shrub1]

Sounds to me like you just want the Raptor..that's fine.

FYI I've been using the MX Hauler with my 4Runner for over a year (with over 20 trips) without any issues (unless you haul more than one bike).

 

[a47chuck]

I went from a '10 Raptor SCAB 6.2L to a '15 Mustang GT (threw keys) to a '19 'Runner Limited. The Raptor was low mileage and held it's value well. That said, it was a kool fun truck. Remember, those suckers a 7 inches wider than a standard F150 without the mirrors. Can be hard to find a parking place. They're sprung softly for the wheel travel and rated at 6K pounds towing. Loved the Raptor for its koolness but just got tired of drivin' a big WIDE truck. And no, I never jumped it. LOL!

 

[Mutant138]

IMO you got a good working truck for hauling and a better one for camping. Raptor isn't really a race truck but it isn't really an f150 either. It does one thing well being a cross between a street vehicle and a prerunner. Like the 4runner is a mix of very good but not superior off and on road characteristics. You wouldn't buy a 4runner if you plan on rock crawling. You also wouldn't buy a 4runner if you wanted the perfect road trip vehicle.

So ask yourself. What purpose will it serve? Is it just a toy? If it's just a toy maybe save some cash and get an RZR or something you can beat on hard and tow home with that tundra.

Remember the grass is always greener. 4runner was my dream truck... now that I have it I want a Land Cruiser. Sometime you have to slap yourself and take a step back and remember how good you have it.

Best of luck.

 

[thennen]

hi all.

so i have used the search function, but the vast majority of the posts are comparing the 5th gen 4R to the 2nd gen raptor.

my question is, has anyone switch from the 5th gen 4r to a 1st gen raptor or vice versa? im currently in an internal debate on if i want to make the switch to a 1st gen raptor from my 2019 TRD pro.

my reason for considering the trade is i still have to keep my 2003 tundra around for dirt biking and shooting. i love the 4runner for camping but having 2 cars just seems excessive. ive considered the trailer hitch dirt bike mounts but have heard mixed reviews on using one on a 5th gen.

any advice would be appreciated, thanks!


the 4Runner on the potential chopping block

So you’re wondering whether to get rid of the 4Runner and get a second pickup truck instead? I say, if you want/need two pickups, go ahead and get a second pickup. If there’s some irresistible mystique about a raptor that makes you desperate to have one, go ahead and scratch that itch. Personally I don’t see what the big deal is about a raptor, but everyone is different. I recommend you go with what you need your vehicles to do for you.

 

[Decipher]

It seems silly to have two pickups. One pickup will do everything you need. The great thing about the Toyota is that it likely held its value really well. You can certainly make the Runner do what you need (I bought a heavy axle trailer that I tow my bike with, rider mower, mulch, firewood and anything else I need to haul). It seems like you’re lusting for the Raptor but I really believe you’ll miss the Runner because of its versatility and reliability.

Nothing will quell your Raptor lust except buying one. So do it. I’m sure you’ll be able to find a Runner when the time comes.




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[honda250xtitan]

get rid of both toyotas and get a raptor. You can use the raptor for mx/shooting/camping. i'd take a raptor over the 4runner any day.

 

[brtnstrns]

So you’re wondering whether to get rid of the 4Runner and get a second pickup truck instead? I say, if you want/need two pickups, go ahead and get a second pickup. If there’s some irresistible mystique about a raptor that makes you desperate to have one, go ahead and scratch that itch. Personally I don’t see what the big deal is about a raptor, but everyone is different. I recommend you go with what you need your vehicles to do for you.

It seems silly to have two pickups. One pickup will do everything you need. The great thing about the Toyota is that it likely held its value really well. You can certainly make the Runner do what you need (I bought a heavy axle trailer that I tow my bike with, rider mower, mulch, firewood and anything else I need to haul). It seems like you’re lusting for the Raptor but I really believe you’ll miss the Runner because of its versatility and reliability.

Nothing will quell your Raptor lust except buying one. So do it. I’m sure you’ll be able to find a Runner when the time comes.




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I believe he's saying that he wants to get rid of both and get a Raptor.

The "4Runner on the chopping block" was just showing us what his 4Runner looks like.

 

[a47chuck]

get rid of both toyotas and get a raptor.

Big freakin' mistake. I've had both. Granted, the Raptor is way kool but ya can't even bring home an 8' florescent tube in one. Not even if ya put it in the bed diagonally. Don't get me wrong, I loved my Raptor. It was way KOOL!

 

[honda250xtitan]

Big freakin' mistake. I've had both. Granted, the Raptor is way kool but ya can't even bring home an 8' florescent tube in one. Not even if ya put it in the bed diagonally. Don't get me wrong, I loved my Raptor. It was way KOOL!

its 2019 why you buying fluorescent lights man:behindsofa:

 

[ChrisJHarney]

I think he's saying he feels he needs to consolidate and have one vehicle for all his outdoor needs.

If you're into bombing sand washes and beating a lot of sports cars off the line back home than a Raptor is far superior than pretty much any truck out there right off the dealer lot. When I test drove one, it felt way too wide and as was mentioned above, parking in the city will be interesting.

If you like narrow canyons and more technical trails, a 4runner can be built to do that better than a full size+ truck with the track width of a tank. But like most shorter wheelbase vehicles, likes to buck rather than glide over whoops. I don't find the power lacking because I expect it to perform the way it does, but coming from a Tundra I can see how you might find it underwhelming.

I'm a truck guy (and MX/trail bike) at heart, so it was a serious adjustment (and rather expensive) to buy a 4runner just to build it so it drove more like a truck. And if my T4r wasn't the family hauler (wife's DD) and I didn't have kids I'd probably have either a Colorado ZR2 diesel or a Powerwagon, but more than likely something smaller, as I tend to find myself in tight canyons frequently.

Apples to oranges honestly, but go for whatever pulls your heartstrings, just don't expect any one vehicle to be perfect and awesome at everything.

 

[06HAOLE]

I sold my 5th Gen 4-Runner last year and bought a 1st Gen Raptor. For desert camping trips, the Raptor can’t be beat. It can carry all of your gear/recovery equipment and never skip a beat. Once I moved from California to Texas, I sold it and bought another 5th Gen 4-Runner. To me, the 4-Runner’s ride, interior, and reliability can’t be beat.

With that being said, I want a 2nd Gen Raptor to park in the garage next to my 5th Gen 4-Runner in a few years. Lol

 

[Tejas]

I am on my third 5th Gen 4Runner and I have owned a 1st Gen Raptor and we have two 2nd Gen Raptors in the family now along with a few buddies that own one.

There's no denying the cool factor of the Raptor and they do quite well in open off-road situations, but a standard truck they aren't. Most have touched on the issues that plague their "truckness" but the biggest for me was the short bed and horrid towing and payload capability. The first Gen Raptors get down right horrid fuel economy so be prepared for that. Overall they are very simplistic in design so there isn't much to go wrong with them mechanically, but the interiors didn't hold up all that well in my experience, most notably the door panels, the steering wheel and the seats.

You already have a 5th Gen so I don't need to go over it's shortcomings and strengths, but a 1/2-ton truck it is not. I am currently transitioning from a Power Wagon and Super Duty, both on 37's to the 4Runner as my daily and it was tough at first not having the height, power, and the bed. But after having grown accustom to the ease of parking, around town handling and manners, better fuel economy and lots of interior space I am quickly reacclimating to the benefits of an SUV. We no longer have big heavy boats to tow around so the need for the diesel truck and the Power Wagon subsided and we still have a LX 570 should we need to tow anything 8K or less.

Like the others have said, if you want a Raptor then the only way to scratch that itch is to buy one. Personally my advice should you go that route, would be to sell both your Tundra and the 4Runner and buy a 2nd Gen, they are better in every way. But if it were me I'd keep what you have, use the Tundra for those adventures and the 4Runner for everything else. BTW, the 4Runner is still a great vehicle for shooting and shooting sports. As you know, you are almost always better off financially, keeping what you already have, making the move will almost certainly end up costing you more money even if you already own the 4Runner outright.

Best of luck with your decision, these first world problems can be daunting lol.

 

[97BlackAckCL]

One's a pickup truck, the other is an SUV, one's a V6, one's a V8, not really much comparison. If you want a Raptor buy a Raptor

 

[BigTony]

Turns out I've got both a gen2 raptor and a gen5 4runner...

I just bought the 4runner and had been considering getting a mid-size pickup, 4runner or Wrangler to add to the raptor.

The reason I wanted something in addition to the Raptor is that it's very wide and the thing is just hard to park and live with in the SF bay area (unless you don't care about door dings). There are also lots of sierra trails I've shied away from due to the width of the thing.

I also have a dirt bike to haul, so that is a consideration. I decided not to get another pickup though, just because I can haul a dirt bike in the Raptor and it seemed a bit redundant

So I wanted something that fits down Jeep trails and is easy to use daily. Honestly I'm not sure I think maybe I should have gotten the wrangler to really max out my range of trails but the JL is $$$ and I'm a big guy and couldn't get comfortable in it. I'm hoping the 4runner will be off-road worthy 'enough' to fill in the trails I've avoided in the Raptor and otherwise the 4runner is comfy, and should be a great daily drive

The one thing that you just can't duplicate or replace with the 4runner/tacoma/wrangler vs the raptor is the power. The drivetrain with 450hp and the 10 speed auto is super powerful. The thing is darn fast on 35s and still gets of 20mpg

So for me, the 4runner isn't a replacement for the Raptor but between the 2 I think I can comfortably do most everything I want to. Really the Raptor would be fine on it's own since it's super versatile - if I didn't live in the bay area I probably would be ok to just have the raptor.

BTW - I would add the Raptor doesn't have huge towing/capacity for a 1/2 ton, but it's still way more than a 4runner or Tacoma. Tows 8500lbs w/ oem springs. I will agree though the high speed off road handling suffers a bit if there is much weight on the back with stock springs (can always upgrade to Deavers but modding a Raptor is $$$$)

 

[DesertCanyons]

Ford Ranger Raptor

An aftermarket shop is going to offer a Ranger in the Raptor category. The 2019 Hennessey VelociRaptor upgrades for the 2019 Ford Ranger truck

Hennessey VelociRaptor Ranger Debuts With 350 HP, Six-Inch Lift

It could be a more efficient option to the F-150 based Raptor.

For hauling dirt bikes with the 4Runner you have already, consider getting a cargo trailer.

 

[Grug556]

An aftermarket shop is going to offer a Ranger in the Raptor category. The 2019 Hennessey VelociRaptor upgrades for the 2019 Ford Ranger truck

Hennessey VelociRaptor Ranger Debuts With 350 HP, Six-Inch Lift

It could be a more efficient option to the F-150 based Raptor.

For hauling dirt bikes with the 4Runner you have already, consider getting a cargo trailer.

Read online the many accounts of John Hennessys wonderful customer service and various lawsuits against him.

Will give you an entertaining several hours sifting through it all :flock:

 

[swva]

I would personally stay with the set up you have now if you plan on keeping the vehicle long term. If you buy a used Ford Raptor you may have to start making repairs to it not long after buying depending on the mileage. The 4runner would definitely be the better choice in the long run.

If you are just planning on keeping the 4runner or Raptor just for a short time then the reliability advantage Toyota has over Ford doesn't matter.

 

[Bumbo]

It seems silly to have two pickups. One pickup will do everything you need. The great thing about the Toyota is that it likely held its value really well. You can certainly make the Runner do what you need (I bought a heavy axle trailer that I tow my bike with, rider mower, mulch, firewood and anything else I need to haul). It seems like you’re lusting for the Raptor but I really believe you’ll miss the Runner because of its versatility and reliability.

Nothing will quell your Raptor lust except buying one. So do it. I’m sure you’ll be able to find a Runner when the time comes.




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Generally I would agree… but I have a friend with 3 trucks and it makes a valid argument for each one of them.

2500HD Diesel for towing & drives like crap without a load on it.

Built Tacoma for wheeling, reduced load springs in the rear, cant carry much weight anymore.

And a long bed 2WD tundra as a work horse beater for “doing stuff” and as his daily diver.