ElectroBoy
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“Can’t we all just get along?”
Another Reason to Leave CA: California to Ban Sale of New Gasoline Vehicles in 2035
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We should let it go. The less people that come here the better.
CO-Cygnus
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thennen
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To those of you living in California, does Gavin really have the support of most of the people in the state? Honest question. I can’t imagine that most people go along with a lot of the things he does. Like this thread - insisting on (eventually) all-electric cars in a state that mandates rolling blackouts is like insisting that everyone travel by boat in the desert. Insisting on all-electric cars under any condition is wrong, regardless. That’s not the governor’s job.
4RunnerAquasport
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Could this have a trickle down effect on the upper middle class? Wouldn't surprise me. SMDH another argument for liberalism being a mental disorder.
Wealth tax follows former residents of CA.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfran...ent-residents-leaving-california-still-h.html
Wealth tax follows former residents of CA.
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfran...ent-residents-leaving-california-still-h.html
One has nothing to do with the other. Blackouts in the bay area are to combat / prevent fires started by electric lines. They’re a short term strategy during unusual heat / low rainfall months, and last 1-2 hours at most for anybody affected. They aren’t state wide nor are they “state mandated” - PGE, a private electric company, implemented this.
If you have a problem with blackouts, direct your ire toward the private electric company that is clearly not maintaining lines in a meaningful way.
I’ll leave it to you to determine WHY forest fire prevalence and severity has increased over the past decades.
RE: This legislation, it’s a stated GOAL, not a mandate or any type of actionable law... and even in that right it has noted exceptions for medium and heavy duty vehicles. CA legislature will surely draft proposals to help move toward this stated goal, and they will undoubtedly go through a number of revisions and incorporate compromises. CA has a HUGE farming region (central valley) and so concerns about commercial applications for gas engines will surely be heard and heavily considered.
In my humble opinion, the whole world is shifting away from fossil fuels toward renewable energy and electric vehicles. CA is leading that charge and stands to benefit greatly from potential economic success of those new (and quickly growing) industries - think Silicon Valley 2, and bigger. That were not pursuing similar goals on a national level is a shame, and huge missed opportunity.
If your gut reaction to this is “f@ck you, I like gasoline!” - fine, but don’t expect the world to follow you, and do try to consider that things change, whether you like it or not.
Oh, and please don’t move to AZ... we’re almost blue and I can’t wait.
LOL... it’s a proposed 0.4% tax on wealth earned in CA BEYOND $30M, and % taxable declines each year after you’ve moved. How close are you to having $30M in assets? Guessing not very.
Wealth taxes are nothing new and won’t get anywhere near “upper middle class,” which, by the way, is marked as up to $2M net worth / wealth, or 6% of the mark set by the proposal.
Easy, slugger.
thennen
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I see where you’re coming from.
thennen
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BUT, it is an executive order that he signed. According to the article.
California Governor Newsom has signed an executive order that bans the sale of new gas-powered passenger cars in California starting in 2035.
4RunnerAquasport
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Hey sdemo! Slugger, the exdemo here. My personal poverty is not the subject, but you are correct, not even close in 10 lifetimes. But a rotten fish still smells like a rotten fish, no matter how poor I am.
A tax on someone who has moved out of state makes no sense to me, however you want to break it down. Not really sure how it can be legal. In my opinion as more and more people leave CA, there will be more proposals of this type. But a Government billions of dollars in debt has to clutch at straws. You can justify it any way you want, you won't change my mind. The actions of the CA government and others like it have already done that. Registered Independent and voted Democrat across the board for decades, but never again. One thing I do know, people are moving to Florida in droves, and my parents in AZ say the same thing there about Californians. But hey, at least CA won't have far to go to get their unconstitutional 10 year tax collection.
Read the EO itself, not the article: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/9.23.20-EO-N-79-20-text.pdf
I’m not a lawyer (and neither is the editor who OKed that ridiculous headline), but this seems pretty clearly a proposal, not law.
thennen
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Thanks for that info. It does call it EXECUTIVE ORDER N-79-20, which I believe carries the weight of law. A bit more than a proposal, I think. No expert here, either
Oldmanb777
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I think I would have to agree with most of these posts. Especially about moving to Kalirado. and screwing it up. But another twist. I think he is trying to take credit for something that will happen anyway. The natural progression of the market will drive the move to electric vehicles. Probably better than the gubermint pushing it. Electrics will come of age, rapidly without govt. All the govt will do is screw it up. They will be less expensive to drive, handle better,, be quicker, and with a lot less moving parts, more likely to go many more miles with less maintenance. So i think Gavin is just trying to take credit for something he doesn't (or shouldn't ) have control over. If I remember right pelosi once said the gubermint should decide what kind of car you can buy with your hard earned dollars. The big thing will be, How do you deal with the batteries? Environmental catastrophe those pesky batteries. Autonomous driving will become common as well. Imagine telling your phone app that you want to be at a place at a certain time. The autonomous car pulls up in your driveway at exactly the right time. You get in the back, drink your latte, and it deposits you where you want to go at precisely the right time. Because it knows exactly what the traffic will be and exactly when to pick you up. All for pennies. Because the car lasts for a million miles with no maintenance, and recharges itself from the grid imbedded in the paint on the roof. Great new world. UNLESS, your a dinosaur like me and like manual tranny's and locking hubs, and stuff like "66 Corvette Roadsters. :lmao:
Thanks for that info. It does call it EXECUTIVE ORDER N-79-20, which I believe carries the weight of law. A bit more than a proposal, I think. No expert here, either
We could go round and round on this, but...
Executive Orders & Proclamations - California Administrative Law - LibGuides at UCLA School of Law - Hugh & Hazel Darling Law Library
UCLA says: “The California Governor issues both proclamations and executive orders. Proclamations tend to be ceremonial in nature (e.g. declaring Veteran's Day or Native American Heritage Month), while executive orders tend to order some sort of agency action (e.g. ordering agencies to engage in bulk purchasing of generic drugs or inventory available sites for affordable housing).”
In the EO, Newsom is telling some agency what to do (on my phone and hard to multitask) - he’s not setting state law.
thennen
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Agreed we could go round and round, so I’ll stop.
NotaTRD
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Depends largely where in the state you take your sample from. The vast majority in the Bay Area seem to like him, but they also seem to like human feces and heroin needles strewn about their streets and sidewalks, so take that as you will. Most people I socialize with, and I admit isn’t a large number in the grand scheme of things, either dislike him or are indifferent towards him (a mix of R’s, I’s and D’s and different backgrounds, which was interesting).
ElectroBoy
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I drove a Tesla once. The technology takes some getting used to. But the acceleration is like being in a rocket ship. I wouldn’t mind if a new version of the 4Runner had a little of that.
RichinRidgewood
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Electric vehicles blow goats.
Until an EV can get a full charge in under 5 minutes and have a 400 mile range mandating them is idiocy. But that's the job of dimwitted bed wetting liberals. Where do these people think they are going to get the power for all of these car? "We'll figure that out later.... " seems to be the answer. facepalm.
Like your freedom? Buying an EV is a good way to PAY someone to take it from you.
Taking a trip to the Cape May shore from my house and back I would need to add at least other hour onto an already long day IF there was a charging station and IF there were not a line of cars already waiting to charge up.
Ban internal combustion engines? Funny because Germany is installing hydrogen stations and Toyota and Honda have hydrogen cars and I know Ford has hydrogen internal combustions engines because I knew the guys designing them. HICEV's
Im sure there are others.
Until an EV can get a full charge in under 5 minutes and have a 400 mile range mandating them is idiocy. But that's the job of dimwitted bed wetting liberals. Where do these people think they are going to get the power for all of these car? "We'll figure that out later.... " seems to be the answer. facepalm.
Like your freedom? Buying an EV is a good way to PAY someone to take it from you.
Taking a trip to the Cape May shore from my house and back I would need to add at least other hour onto an already long day IF there was a charging station and IF there were not a line of cars already waiting to charge up.
Ban internal combustion engines? Funny because Germany is installing hydrogen stations and Toyota and Honda have hydrogen cars and I know Ford has hydrogen internal combustions engines because I knew the guys designing them. HICEV's
Im sure there are others.
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