Anyone drive a 2015 VW GTI?

just my .02, aside from your wrist issues, driving a manual in the pits of hell known as denver traffic is beyond maddening. The traffic speed is ALWAYS between gears.

Keep the 4Runner for trips into the mountains and get a beater you dont mind driving into the ground for your daily commute. City traffic is where vehicles go to die.

On a more positive note, a good friend has a GTI for his city commutes and loves it.
 
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just my .02, aside from your wrist issues, driving a manual in the pits of hell known as denver traffic is beyond maddening. The traffic speed is ALWAYS between gears.

Keep the 4Runner for trips into the mountains and get a beater you dont mind driving into the ground for your daily commute. City traffic is where vehicles go to die.

On a more positive note, a good friend has a GTI for his city commutes and loves it.

Yeah, it really is a 7th level of hell some days commuting from Denver to Boulder. I usually can tell the guys driving manual WRXs and what not in traffic when I see them with a 5 car gap in front of them when it's a standstill because they're trying to rest their clutch foot or are just fed up.

Thankfully I am lucky to have a very nice employer who lets me work around the heaviest traffic, work from home, or use the nice airport bus. But still, I've seen enough to know that manuals in real craptacular traffic are not in their happy place.

Not to turn this into a Denver gripe-fest, but god it's getting crowded. I know, I've only been here 6 years so I'm part of the problem, but it's really getting crowded and meaner in the past year. I'm noticing a lot of people who have been here a while are throwing in the towel and heading out, so I wonder if it'll open up a bit more in the next few years. I'll be on a ranch somewhere in the boonies by that point anyway. *sigh*
 
Not to turn this into a Denver gripe-fest, but god it's getting crowded. I know, I've only been here 6 years so I'm part of the problem, but it's really getting crowded and meaner in the past year. I'm noticing a lot of people who have been here a while are throwing in the towel and heading out, so I wonder if it'll open up a bit more in the next few years. I'll be on a ranch somewhere in the boonies by that point anyway. *sigh*

Yeah its tough right now. On one hand I appreciate people who move here because we tend to be like-minded with regard to lifestyle and appreciation for the outdoors, but on the other hand too many people crowds out our beautiful places. I'm constantly picking up trash and dealing with rude people who come to the mountains apparently just to crap all over everything we value. And the retort is always the same: 'If you don't like it you can move.' That sh*t makes my blood boil.

Haven't been down there in 10 years except two quick trips to buy 4Runners. Honestly I don't think you could pay me enough to live there.

People in cities are a lot like rats in a cage. When the crowding gets bad enough they start to eat each other.
 
Not to turn this into a Denver gripe-fest, but god it's getting crowded. I know, I've only been here 6 years so I'm part of the problem, but it's really getting crowded and meaner in the past year. I'm noticing a lot of people who have been here a while are throwing in the towel and heading out, so I wonder if it'll open up a bit more in the next few years. I'll be on a ranch somewhere in the boonies by that point anyway. *sigh*

i bought my 4runner in Denver last year, and came back through there a few months ago. i didnt think it was bad at all, and i really enjoyed my time there. the city i live in has 150,000 more people in the city, but 1m less in the metro area.

traffic can get pretty bad here sometimes, especially when there is a festival going on. we have 5 major interstates and highways intersecting downtown and it turns into a nightmare.
 
Yeah its tough right now. On one hand I appreciate people who move here because we tend to be like-minded with regard to lifestyle and appreciation for the outdoors, but on the other hand too many people crowds out our beautiful places. I'm constantly picking up trash and dealing with rude people who come to the mountains apparently just to crap all over everything we value. And the retort is always the same: 'If you don't like it you can move.' That sh*t makes my blood boil.

Haven't been down there in 10 years except two quick trips to buy 4Runners. Honestly I don't think you could pay me enough to live there.

People in cities are a lot like rats in a cage. When the crowding gets bad enough they start to eat each other.

Whereabouts are you in the high country? I think the Front Range crowding has an unfortunate ripple effect, and as people get fed up with the crowds they seek less crowded locales. That in turn begins to crowd the previously less crowded place, and the cycle continues. However, at least in terms of suburban sprawl, there is luckily a nice geological barrier to subdivision development called the Rockies. There are just some places they can't build homes, try as they might.

I definitely agree with you about the rats in a cage. That's really how it feels sometimes. When I go seek solitude in the mountains, and I find it, I feel very recharged when I come back down. I'm starting to think that feeling of recharge should just be how every day is, and that it's how every day used to be.

i bought my 4runner in Denver last year, and came back through there a few months ago. i didnt think it was bad at all, and i really enjoyed my time there. the city i live in has 150,000 more people in the city, but 1m less in the metro area.

traffic can get pretty bad here sometimes, especially when there is a festival going on. we have 5 major interstates and highways intersecting downtown and it turns into a nightmare.

Living here and watching this happen for the past 6 years paints a different picture for me than if I were to be a visitor. When you can run into traffic at every, and all, possible hours of the day that isn't caused by an accident or construction and is just because the roads aren't big enough to accommodate everyone, it starts to wear on you When the mountains are no longer the place to get away from it all and you end up sitting in traffic jams in the high country, and it forces you to keep going further to get away, it starts to wear on you. When you're no longer being waved at on backroads, and instead are looked at like a total freak when you give the polite backroads wave, it starts to wear on you. When the cost of living is so astronomical and $75k a year doesn't feel like enough to buy a starter home, and the cost of housing is just expensive because it can be not because it deserves to be, it wears on you.

The problem is, I don't blame these people for wanting to come here. I was one of them. However, Wyoming and Idaho look more appealing with each shitty driver tailgating me even though I'm going 10-15 over and actually passing in the passing lane.

Maybe it's also not being helped by being in my early 30s. Early onset grumps.

/rant
 
I've driven all over this Country, and one thing I've noticed, is that no one on I-25 in and around Denver, seems to understand the concept of 'Keep Right Except To Pass'.
 
what boggles my mind is that VW uses some whacky ass proprietary USB connectors?! That almost upset me enough to stop considering it. I mean...really.

The 2015s have that funky MDI interface but it's been the 2016 model year since September-ish, it's a standard USB interface now.

The DSG is more of an electronically controlled manual transmission than a traditional automatic transmission. I've driven both manual and DSG GTIs in New York City traffic many times and there's just something about the DSG's millisecond-quick shifts and exhaust blat between gears that makes me forget about the lack of a clutch pedal.
 
The 2015s have that funky MDI interface but it's been the 2016 model year since September-ish, it's a standard USB interface now.

The DSG is more of an electronically controlled manual transmission than a traditional automatic transmission. I've driven both manual and DSG GTIs in New York City traffic many times and there's just something about the DSG's millisecond-quick shifts and exhaust blat between gears that makes me forget about the lack of a clutch pedal.

Both of those things are awesome to hear! Do you know about the DSG service stuff that I've only glanced at? Something like a multi-thousand dollar service every few years?
 
I've driven all over this Country, and one thing I've noticed, is that no one on I-25 in and around Denver, seems to understand the concept of 'Keep Right Except To Pass'.

It's a weird mix of driving styles because of the various places people come from. Growing up in Metro Detroit, yes, left lane is only for passing and passing above the speed limit or at least passing quickly. I have seen more near accidents because someone didn't get that memo and gives zero shits, and then the crazy east coast or wherever the hell they're from drivers decide to try and pass in any other lane and almost cause a pile up because it freaks the hell out of everyone else.

Gooood times. I've found that instead of a middle finger, a thumbs up with smile, or a jerking off hand motion with an O face, really gets under peoples skin. =p
 
Both of those things are awesome to hear! Do you know about the DSG service stuff that I've only glanced at? Something like a multi-thousand dollar service every few years?

No info msyself but a quick google search mentions $400 for the dealer service or $140 for a DIY kit. The DIY kit is a filter,fluid,gaskets and a fill tool.
 
DSG maintenance is nothing to even take into consideration, it's just a filter and fluid chance every few years. No big deal.
 
I'm gonna be that guy and point out that as we give VW more time, they just seem to be okay with getting more rope to hang themselves with.

You may want to look at another brand for the following reasons:

-This fiasco is going to cause a LOT of problems for VW, it probably won't bankrupt them; but it will hurt them and I have a feeling they're going to recoup that loss by doing what everyone does... cut warranty time and coverage down, which leads to frustrated techs and writers, which leads to the whole "don't piss off the waiter" scenario where these guys are more interested in trying to make at least close to what their paycheck was before and less about quality.

-VWs while nice, have issues; lots of warranty work from what I hear from fellow VW/Audi technicians and writers... which loops back into the above point. I have a feeling that their warranty process will become a bit more stringent and their times will get cut a lot; when you have most of the "gravy" work these technicians rely on becoming sour it will not go well (at the dealership I and the other technicians have been experiencing a similar issue with Toyota lately, they've been cutting warranty times down to rather unrealistic and unachievable rates and they have been getting a hell of a lot more pissy and picky about how they warranty stuff.)

-VW is literally having to almost give their cars away at this point, that right there is a big red flag in terms of the health of the company (we're talking about a company that is essentially one of the biggest global automotive groups here.)

-They are and will bit hit HARD by lawsuits, which means hemorrhaging more money, which also means more indirect effects to you. Not to mention you bet every automotive regulatory agency is watching them like vultures right now. Chances are you're new VW is not going to be the first or last of VWs that seem to have interesting issues that happen to just pop up, not to mention a lot of recalls that you will be required to go out of your way to do if and when they get caught for more stuff.

-To be honest, this is the biggest one to consider if you're going to buy/lease a brand new VW: Resale Value. The market is plumeting on these cars in the wake of this, it's going to be volatile and unfavorable for quite sometime until either VW goes bankrupt or they manage to claw themselves back above sinking and get their PR face clean from all the **** they have sprayed on it.

Post Note-

Okay I came off a bit more doomsday than I intended, but the basic point here is that you will get a good deal on a fairly good quality vehicle (well let's be honest here, we can't exactly say that definitively anymore, but at least it's seemingly in the positive spectrum) from a company that is up to their eyes in **** from some seriously shady and crooked stuff they did. All that crap rolls down hill and it's gonna keep rolling downhill for a while, depending on how long you want to keep your new VW; the market is going to be extremely unfavorable to you until VW can get make this go away and make themselves look good again.
 
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Glad to hear the DSG maintenance isn't a big deal then. I'm sure the place I read it was by someone who doesn't even know how to change their own oil, and the thought of changing a filter and fluid for an A/T is mind blowing. I guess we're a different breed here (not to say that there isn't a huge DIY VW community, but just that the place I read it wasn't one of them).

Blackworks, those are excellent points to consider for sure. I think that is a good conservative approach, and if I'm honest with myself, I won't be in a real financial position to get anything until middle of next year. I'm wondering if we'll have a better picture of how this all shakes out by then.

I think your point about how VW will be under the regulatory gun for the future and to expect many recalls and what not is an interesting one. That is something I considered that actually swayed me more in the direction of wanting to buy because that meant I'd get every tiny thing fixed under a recall instead of the usual manufacturer's approach of "We won't do anything until people die, and then mayyyybe we'll do something about it.".

I'm so torn. This is a fun discussion though, and I really do appreciate all the really valuable insight!
 
That is something I considered that actually swayed me more in the direction of wanting to buy because that meant I'd get every tiny thing fixed under a recall instead of the usual manufacturer's approach of "We won't do anything until people die, and then mayyyybe we'll do something about it."

I doubt it. Toyota did not go much out of their way to fix other stuff (not related to recall) when they were under the microscope.

I agree with BlackWorksInc. Money has to come from somewhere to pay for legal fees...it certainly won't come out of executive pockets! I do fear future VW cars quality control.
 
I doubt it. Toyota did not go much out of their way to fix other stuff (not related to recall) when they were under the microscope.

I agree with BlackWorksInc. Money has to come from somewhere to pay for legal fees...it certainly won't come out of executive pockets! I do fear future VW cars quality control.

Balls. That's too bad, eh?
 
VW QC won't really suffer, North American market Golfs are manufactured in Mexico so how worse can it get LOL. It'll take a lot more to than this emissions debacle to bankrupt VW, their other automotive lines will keep them afloat (Audi,Bentley,Bugatti,Ducati,Lamborghini,Porsche,Seat,Skoda,probably missing a few more) if things get worse for them.

And I don't see VW "literally having to almost give their cars away". Here in the NY/NJ metropolitan area there haven't been any drastic price changes if you browse dealer websites.

Have you considered Mazdas? The 3 and 6 models are fun to drive,had some seat time with those too.
 
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VW QC won't really suffer, North American market Golfs are manufactured in Mexico so how worse can it get LOL. It'll take a lot more to than this emissions debacle to bankrupt VW, their other automotive lines will keep them afloat (Audi,Bentley,Bugatti,Ducati,Lamborghini,Porsche,Seat,Skoda,probably missing a few more) if things get worse for them.

And I don't see VW "literally having to almost give their cars away". Here in the NY/NJ metropolitan area there haven't been any drastic price changes if you browse dealer websites.

Have you considered Mazdas? The 3 and 6 models are fun to drive,had some seat time with those too.

The irony that the VW is made in N. America (yeah...Mexico is considered part of N. America) and that the Focus RS is made in Germany is not lost on me.

I've driven a Mazda 6 before four or five years ago. I think it was a rental. It was fun. The other rental I get for work trips now is the Mazda 2, and it's hilarious to drive! I'd consider a Mazda, and I think I can get my late Grandfather's Ford family discount on Mazda's too. Again though, I've heard the auto-tranny in the VWs is really phenomenal fun, and I'm less drawn towards other manufacturers because of the auto-tranny issue.
 
The irony that the VW is made in N. America (yeah...Mexico is considered part of N. America) and that the Focus RS is made in Germany is not lost on me.

I've driven a Mazda 6 before four or five years ago. I think it was a rental. It was fun. The other rental I get for work trips now is the Mazda 2, and it's hilarious to drive! I'd consider a Mazda, and I think I can get my late Grandfather's Ford family discount on Mazda's too. Again though, I've heard the auto-tranny in the VWs is really phenomenal fun, and I'm less drawn towards other manufacturers because of the auto-tranny issue.

Yup, those german flappy-paddle auto-manuals are great fun. Honda came out with a dual clutch trans for the Acura ILX (and probably the Civic Si/Type-R coming out next year) but I have no idea if they have the same fun/performance factor of a VW/Audi DSG, you might want to add that to your test-drive list.
 
I believe once you sit in a GTI, and then in any of it's competitors, you will decide within the first 5 minutes which car is for you.

If you can go used, I'd definitely recommend the MK6 GTI that was made in germany. I hope that with this fiasco, that my regular, run of the mill MK6 Golf will hold more of it's value down the road.
 

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