Anyone using this 20" LED light bar? $36.90 on Amazon

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[MENTION=89791]preacher35[/MENTION] Haha! Thats what I said, so I went ahead and ordered it about an hour ago. We'll see how it looks in a couple days. We'll do a review after Thanksgiving.
 
[MENTION=89791]preacher35[/MENTION] Haha! Thats what I said, so I went ahead and ordered it about an hour ago. We'll see how it looks in a couple days. We'll do a review after Thanksgiving.

Please do, im a firm believer in price = quality. Maybe not up the the 400 bucks that some sets run, but i dunno about 40 dollars. I am curious about throw and flood.
 
Most companies selling 20" led light bars are selling the exact same product, just with their sticker on the box and a 400% mark up.

I personally witnessed this when my buddy spent $400 on a 40+ inch light bar and i did the same for $100 off amazon. Exact same box, exact same packaging and exact same product.
 
I don't doubt this thing is bright. But it's probably not built with quality electronics.

The cheapest I can find Cree Xb-d LEDs is $0.56 each in quantities of 1000 from a reputable distributor (Digikey), so that's $23.52 of LEDs alone for 42 LEDs.

Then you need a constant current driver or several if you want to get the rated amount of lumens from the thing. I built a circuit that drives six LEDs in series, stepping up the voltage from 12V to ~18V. I can't remember which chip I used, but it wasn't cheap as far as electronic chips go. It would certainly be a few dollars for each driver circuit, and you would need a few driver circuits.

So they are probably driving them directly from 12V. That means you'll get voltage fluctuations, so big fluctuations in brightness unless they have some regulation. But regulating more than 10A at 12V could be a bit tricky, so they probably don't even do that. So they have to design it not to burn up at the highest voltage it could see, maybe 14-15V. They probably have groups of 5 or 6 LEDs in series directly wired to input power. That's a terrible way to make a LED light.

If anyone has one, try leaving it on while you start the engine. I'm guessing the brightness will fluctuate a lot.

Then there's the heat dissipation. LEDs individually don't dissipate that much heat, but when you put a bunch of them close together they will get really hot, and they don't tolerate heat very well. As they get hotter, they tend to get dimmer, and eventually they will burn up. They are rated for 150C max, but at that temperature you only get about 80% of the rated output. The enclosure is aluminum, but without careful thermal design I doubt it would keep the LEDs cool enough. They would need to be on aluminum boards directly connected to the housing, and even then I think that much power might need some active cooling to keep the LEDs happy, or at least more surface area. It's probably fine most of the time, but in really hot weather it might get too hot. I doubt they do thermal testing.

I bet a significant number of the reviews are fake. Look at some of these:
Title: Five Stars
Very nice
Published 3 days ago by Mel Lindsa

Title: Five Stars
Well worth it
Published 3 days ago by Amazon Customer

Title: Five Stars
Fast shipping. Just as pictured.
Published 4 days ago by Raymond

Title: Nice light!
Great product and really good price. Very bright.
By Danielon November 11, 2015

These reviews add no value, and they hardly say anything about the product. They are all "Verified Purchase" reviews, but all that means is the seller had someone buy it, write a generic 5 star review and then they bought it back from that person. Or maybe there's an even easier way. The seller could make a fake Amazon account that they control. They could "buy" the product with the fake account, but not ship it to themself. As far asAmazon knows, a sale was made. Later they could use the fake account to write a review. If a real person is going to take the time to write a review, they will probably explain why they like it, or they probably won't take the time to review it at all.

Another tactic they might use, and I've seen it done for another product, is if you leave a bad review they will contact you and offer a refund and let you keep the product, or something like that, then ask you to change or remove your review since they helped you out. They know most people don't take the time to write reviews, but the ones that do have a lot of influence on their sales, so it's worth spending a lot to get rid of unfavorable reviews.
 
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I don't doubt this thing is bright. But it's probably not built with quality electronics.

The cheapest I can find Cree Xb-d LEDs is $0.56 each in quantities of 1000 from a reputable distributor (Digikey), so that's $23.52 of LEDs alone for 42 LEDs.

Then you need a constant current driver or several if you want to get the rated amount of lumens from the thing. I built a circuit that drives six LEDs in series, stepping up the voltage from 12V to ~18V. I can't remember which chip I used, but it wasn't cheap as far as electronic chips go. It would certainly be a few dollars for each driver circuit, and you would need a few driver circuits.

So they are probably driving them directly from 12V. That means you'll get voltage fluctuations, so big fluctuations in brightness unless they have some regulation. But regulating more than 10A at 12V could be a bit tricky, so they probably don't even do that. So they have to design it not to burn up at the highest voltage it could see, maybe 14-15V. They probably have groups of 5 or 6 LEDs in series directly wired to input power. That's a terrible way to make a LED light.

If anyone has one, try leaving it on while you start the engine. I'm guessing the brightness will fluctuate a lot.

Then there's the heat dissipation. LEDs individually don't dissipate that much heat, but when you put a bunch of them close together they will get really hot, and they don't tolerate heat very well. As they get hotter, they tend to get dimmer, and eventually they will burn up. They are rated for 150C max, but at that temperature you only get about 80% of the rated output. The enclosure is aluminum, but without careful thermal design I doubt it would keep the LEDs cool enough. They would need to be on aluminum boards directly connected to the housing, and even then I think that much power might need some active cooling to keep the LEDs happy, or at least more surface area. It's probably fine most of the time, but in really hot weather it might get too hot. I doubt they do thermal testing.

I bet a significant number of the reviews are fake. Look at some of these:
Title: Five Stars
Very nice
Published 3 days ago by Mel Lindsa

Title: Five Stars
Well worth it
Published 3 days ago by Amazon Customer

Title: Five Stars
Fast shipping. Just as pictured.
Published 4 days ago by Raymond

Title: Nice light!
Great product and really good price. Very bright.
By Danielon November 11, 2015

These reviews add no value, and they hardly say anything about the product. They are all "Verified Purchase" reviews, but all that means is the seller had someone buy it, write a generic 5 star review and then they bought it back from that person. Or maybe there's an even easier way. The seller could make a fake Amazon account that they control. They could "buy" the product with the fake account, but not ship it to themself. As far asAmazon knows, a sale was made. Later they could use the fake account to write a review. If a real person is going to take the time to write a review, they will probably explain why they like it, or they probably won't take the time to review it at all.

Another tactic they might use, and I've seen it done for another product, is if you leave a bad review they will contact you and offer a refund and let you keep the product, or something like that, then ask you to change or remove your review since they helped you out. They know most people don't take the time to write reviews, but the ones that do have a lot of influence on their sales, so it's worth spending a lot to get rid of unfavorable reviews.

Oh, c'mon! It's a $37.00 light bar. It's not like he's investing in gold bullion or anything. If it only lasts a year, so be it. If it lasts longer, than bully for him!
 
[MENTION=89791]preacher35[/MENTION] [MENTION=113611]m85476585[/MENTION] Well, I received it yesterday. First impressions, I like it! Looks like its well built. Its a bit on the heavy side. Maybe it has some heavy duty parts. Might be a winner. Still need to wire it up.
 

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Make sure you seal up any openings that will cause condensation. That's the number one problem with cheap bars. Otherwise they're bright as hell.
 
Silicone?

Yeah, clear silicone would do it. I've got this stuff called amazing goop that I've used on a lot of things (including my projector retrofit). It dries pretty quick and holds up well to heat.

I'm super stoked to hear how this light bar works cuz I've got my eye on this 42" one from Amazon for like a hundred bucks!
 
This particular light bar looks water tight. Supposedly its rated IP67 which is good for 1 meter under water and totally protected against dust. I'll give a full review after this weekend when I'll be wiring it up.
 
Best $40 light upgrade I ever spent! Not the best photo cell phone camera ever, but even thru a cheesy camera you can see the difference. Very satisfied with the LED Light Bar. Next up date is too see how long this thing last.


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[MENTION=123332]Drunner97[/MENTION] Not only does the light projects far this spread isn't bad either. Its a good buy.


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