Apple Opposes Judge Order to Break Encryption

So are the feds going to send a bunch of armed agents to Cupertino? I can see it now.. shades of Soviet Russia.. A bunch of guys with guns will walk inside and threaten a bunch of software engineers with prison unless they start hacking.

This would be funny, if it wasn't so sad...Yes, they can send a swat team to Cupertino, they can freeze Apples assets, and throw whomever they wish into prison on contempt, sans trail, and hold them for an indeterminate period unless they agree to submit to the government demands, and they can do this legally.
 
More info and (of course) more idiotic incompetence by the government: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/san-berna...ged-while-234003785--abc-news-topstories.html

The Justice Department acknowledged in its court filing that the password of Syed Farook's iCloud account had been reset. The filing states, "the owner [San Bernardino County Department of Public Health], in an attempt to gain access to some information in the hours after the attack, was able to reset the password remotely, but that had the effect of eliminating the possibility of an auto-backup."

Apple could have recovered information from the iPhone had the iCloud password not been reset, the company said. If the phone was taken to a location where it recognized the Wi-Fi network, such as the San Bernardino shooters' home, it could have been backed up to the cloud, Apple suggested.

The auto reset was executed by a county information technology employee, according to a federal official. Federal investigators only found out about the reset after it had occurred and that the county employee acted on his own, not on the orders of federal authorities, the source said.

Apple executives say the iPhone was in the possession of the government when iCloud password was reset. A federal official familiar with the investigation confirmed that federal investigators were indeed in possession of the phone when the reset occurred.

Missing the opportunity for a backup was crucial because some of the information stored on the phone would have been backed up to the iCloud and could have potentially been retrieved. According to court records, the iPhone had not been backed up since Oct. 19, 2015, one-and-a-half months before the attack and that this “indicates to the FBI that Farook may have disabled the automatic iCloud backup function to hide evidence.”
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So, this had nothing to do with Apple unwilling to help...but this is the government shooting themselves in the foot and then demanding help afterwards!

There are morons and then there is the government.

What I do not understand is why the San Bernardino folks can't give the password to the government?
 
Apple's blunder and why the tech industry needs to look at itself in the mirror

This is what concerns me.

But in trying to prevent government intrusion, Apple picked the wrong fight. It has set off a chain of events that will create a public relations backlash and cause Congress to pass new legislation which won’t be well thought out. This will be a setback for privacy. As well, Apple has brought to light the deficiencies of the technology industry itself—which lives in a glass house and needs to clean up its act.

Apple's decision to fight a court order to help federal authorities unlock the iPhone used by one of the terrorists who killed 14 people and injured 22 in San Bernardino has certainly gained it support within Silicon Valley. But it has become a target of populist campaigns by Donald Trump and others. This battle isn’t going to be portrayed as being about encryption and back doors; it is going to center on protection of data of murderous terrorists. Other than Silicon Valley purists, few will side with Apple on this.


Now I've seen little but support for Apple in my readings but I have no idea how representative my information sphere is. Must be some serious cognitive dissonance occurring in people torn between Apple and Donald Trump.

Imo, the entire thing becomes moot anyway if there's a large enough terrorist attack. Public support for investigatory powers would be overwhelming.
 
Apple's blunder and why the tech industry needs to look at itself in the mirror

This is what concerns me.

But in trying to prevent government intrusion, Apple picked the wrong fight. It has set off a chain of events that will create a public relations backlash and cause Congress to pass new legislation which won’t be well thought out. This will be a setback for privacy. As well, Apple has brought to light the deficiencies of the technology industry itself—which lives in a glass house and needs to clean up its act.

Apple's decision to fight a court order to help federal authorities unlock the iPhone used by one of the terrorists who killed 14 people and injured 22 in San Bernardino has certainly gained it support within Silicon Valley. But it has become a target of populist campaigns by Donald Trump and others. This battle isn’t going to be portrayed as being about encryption and back doors; it is going to center on protection of data of murderous terrorists. Other than Silicon Valley purists, few will side with Apple on this.


Now I've seen little but support for Apple in my readings but I have no idea how representative my information sphere is. Must be some serious cognitive dissonance occurring in people torn between Apple and Donald Trump.

Imo, the entire thing becomes moot anyway if there's a large enough terrorist attack. Public support for investigatory powers would be overwhelming.

The worst part is America's attention span is so damn short that after we give MORE power to the government over the populace we'll forget to ask for it back (like we already did)... again...
 
I don't exactly see anything "conspiracy theory" about the fact that the US Government actively trades, harvests, and uses public and private information of it's citizens; much of which it gathers in less than legal ways to use for their own benefits. Not to mention that the US Government has and continues to operate in a two-faced manner in regards to the American people; the Public Face will say one thing, while the private face is off assassinating leaders of countries and giving away weapons to armed insurgent groups to fight our enemies under the table, or did you forget about the Cold War leading up to today? There's nothing conspiracy theory about that, it's just how the Government (and honestly any country's government to be honest) works since we've given up a lot of freedom and control (particularly in the last decade or so).

Nor is there anything fairy-tale esque about a private company, whose sole goal is seeking profit participating in the largest economy on the planet; information. It'd be absolutely idiotic for a digital goods company NOT to have some form of information selling/buying these days. Nor is Apple a shining example of a company to begin with, since they've done just as many unethical and borderline shady things as any other profiteering company.

Though I will somewhat applaud Apple's efforts, be it because they don't want the government snooping in their information trading or simply because they don't trust the US Government not to screw them over (let's be honest that alone is a good reason), it's still a decent effort; hardly philanthropic, but commendable at the least. They're a global company not tied to the US in any significant manner besides a sales region (they use a holding company outside of the US To avoid Taxes like most large corporations these days).

Unfortunately there's the other-side of the coin where Apple becomes the premier product for the pedophile, terrorist, and/or other unsavory characters, which I suppose isn't a bad thing if you're trying to sell more product since the Apple sheeple will still buy it anyways. Though fairly true (I mean if you have a device that's safe from the government thanks to the company, why wouldn't you use it for illicit dealings?), the above statement is mainly fear-mongering and political BS some senators and politicians are using to try and force Apple to concede to the US Government.

Also I'm not entirely against Apple holding out against the US Government (I'm mostly for it, again I think the case study they chose to fight them with is a bit poor, but the message is still there), but I doubt it's from sort of philanthropic place. If anything it's because Apple has leverage with this and it benefits them in multiple ways.

I'm not a programming guy by any means, but as the system is laid out I don't see why the software couldn't be manipulated in that fashion. Basically Apple's SE is just a enclosed network bus between specific chips specifically for encryption purposes controlled by software; much in the way Toyota uses an entirely separate communication bus between the ECM & Immobilizer System that is not actually connected to the OBDII port and can only be accessed via software in a scantool.

Was thinking about this a bit when snowboarding today. :)

You know...i am starting to wonder about you. The essay you wrote there is a bit random, some backtracking, and not really informative...sprinkled with some Apple hate. Apple Sheepie? Seriously?

Do you have iPhone or Android or windows?

Apple has a different business model than Android. Again, this is why Apple products do cost a slight premium...vs. free stuff or discounted stuff on Android side. And this is why Google/Android stance in "supporting" Apple's view are vague at best.

I assume that the secret iOS version will disable auto-erase and limit to enter passcode...thus allowing brute force attacks.

Encryption on Apple devices is much different than Toyota's ECM. :lol:

You really need to stop writing about stuff that you have no clue about. This discussion has me having flashbacks to the Honda Ridgeline discussion with you spewing nonsense about stuff you know little about! Sorry...i am not mean by nature but dude!
 
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Apple's blunder and why the tech industry needs to look at itself in the mirror

This is what concerns me.

But in trying to prevent government intrusion, Apple picked the wrong fight. It has set off a chain of events that will create a public relations backlash and cause Congress to pass new legislation which won’t be well thought out. This will be a setback for privacy. As well, Apple has brought to light the deficiencies of the technology industry itself—which lives in a glass house and needs to clean up its act.

Apple's decision to fight a court order to help federal authorities unlock the iPhone used by one of the terrorists who killed 14 people and injured 22 in San Bernardino has certainly gained it support within Silicon Valley. But it has become a target of populist campaigns by Donald Trump and others. This battle isn’t going to be portrayed as being about encryption and back doors; it is going to center on protection of data of murderous terrorists. Other than Silicon Valley purists, few will side with Apple on this.


Now I've seen little but support for Apple in my readings but I have no idea how representative my information sphere is. Must be some serious cognitive dissonance occurring in people torn between Apple and Donald Trump.

Imo, the entire thing becomes moot anyway if there's a large enough terrorist attack. Public support for investigatory powers would be overwhelming.

LOL at this article. Hilarious ignorance at work with that Stanford author! He just embarrass the school. But, gotta admit, his credentials are a lot better than mine! :D

"Big Brother would be envious of the surveillance capabilities of Google and Apple. They read our emails before we do and keep track of our searches; their mobile devices log our movements and activities; the apps that we download commonly trick us into giving them our contact lists and other personal data; our smartphones have the ability to turn our cameras and microphones on without us being aware that this has happened. "

This is what happens when "scholars" write stuff just to get on the internet and has no clue what they are writing about!

What he wrote is 100% wrong about Apple services. However, what he wrote applies to Android and Windows.

So, in essence, the author himself ignorantly picked the WRONG FIGHT! :D If this was about Government asking Google or Microsoft for backdoors, then his article is 100% true.

He has no freaking clue how Apple services work...and just put Google, Window, and Apple all in the same soup!!

Public relation backlash??? One of the mother of the victim of San Bernardino attack SUPPORTS Apple's privacy stance. Hell, even Google, FB, Twitter, etc. all support Apple in their own vague ways.

Thanks for the joke article above...made my day.
 
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Imo, the entire thing becomes moot anyway if there's a large enough terrorist attack. Public support for investigatory powers would be overwhelming.

You mean like 9/11? So, even without smartphone and encryption back then, 9/11 occurred without anyone knowing ahead of time. Terrorists planning secretly occurred only after iPhone became popular?

Law enforcements have many ways to monitor us even with encryption. Some of which: Meet the machines that steal your phone?s data | Ars Technica

And of course, these are just the devices we know about....
 
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Apple's blunder and why the tech industry needs to look at itself in the mirror

This is what concerns me.

But in trying to prevent government intrusion, Apple picked the wrong fight. It has set off a chain of events that will create a public relations backlash and cause Congress to pass new legislation which won’t be well thought out. This will be a setback for privacy. As well, Apple has brought to light the deficiencies of the technology industry itself—which lives in a glass house and needs to clean up its act.

Apple's decision to fight a court order to help federal authorities unlock the iPhone used by one of the terrorists who killed 14 people and injured 22 in San Bernardino has certainly gained it support within Silicon Valley. But it has become a target of populist campaigns by Donald Trump and others. This battle isn’t going to be portrayed as being about encryption and back doors; it is going to center on protection of data of murderous terrorists. Other than Silicon Valley purists, few will side with Apple on this.


Now I've seen little but support for Apple in my readings but I have no idea how representative my information sphere is. Must be some serious cognitive dissonance occurring in people torn between Apple and Donald Trump.

Imo, the entire thing becomes moot anyway if there's a large enough terrorist attack. Public support for investigatory powers would be overwhelming.


I refuse to give up my liberties in the name of "security."
 
LOL at this article. Hilarious ignorance at work with that Stanford author! He just embarrass the school. But, gotta admit, his credentials are a lot better than mine! :D

"Big Brother would be envious of the surveillance capabilities of Google and Apple. They read our emails before we do and keep track of our searches; their mobile devices log our movements and activities; the apps that we download commonly trick us into giving them our contact lists and other personal data; our smartphones have the ability to turn our cameras and microphones on without us being aware that this has happened. "

This is what happens when "scholars" write stuff just to get on the internet and has no clue what they are writing about!

What he wrote is 100% wrong about Apple services. However, what he wrote applies to Android and Windows.

So, in essence, the author himself ignorantly picked the WRONG FIGHT! :D If this was about Government asking Google or Microsoft for backdoors, then his article is 100% true.

He has no freaking clue how Apple services work...and just put Google, Window, and Apple all in the same soup!!

Public relation backlash??? One of the mother of the victim of San Bernardino attack SUPPORTS Apple's privacy stance. Hell, even Google, FB, Twitter, etc. all support Apple in their own vague ways.

Thanks for the joke article above...made my day.


If your family were to be impacted by a bad event that might have been avoided with some info off a lunatics phone then your opinions might change.

You all that are being so fearful of the gov't taking your guns and getting your data (like they give a crap what you have on there) need to get out from under your kitchen tables and watch a few less movies depicting the gov't trying to get you. If they ARE trying to get you, it's likely warranted.
 
Lefties are funny. No foresight at all, no sense of context, too much feeling and not enough thinking.

OMG WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
 
You all that are being so fearful of the gov't taking your guns and getting your data (like they give a crap what you have on there) need to get out from under your kitchen tables and watch a few less movies depicting the gov't trying to get you. If they ARE trying to get you, it's likely warranted.

So, you support backdoors, right? But what happens if backdoors are leaked out to 3rd party? What happens if the government got hacked and the backdoor software is now everywhere? What happens if Apple/Google/FB/Microsoft got hacked and hackers got their hand on this secret iOS?
 
If your family were to be impacted by a bad event that might have been avoided with some info off a lunatics phone then your opinions might change.

You all that are being so fearful of the gov't taking your guns and getting your data (like they give a crap what you have on there) need to get out from under your kitchen tables and watch a few less movies depicting the gov't trying to get you. If they ARE trying to get you, it's likely warranted.

I respect your opinion and I refuse to agree with it ever.......your opinion is too easily subject to manipulation as there is no underlying core value that drives morality and the rights of an individual. :lol:
 
So, you support backdoors, right? But what happens if backdoors are leaked out to 3rd party? What happens if the government got hacked and the backdoor software is now everywhere? What happens if Apple/Google/FB/Microsoft got hacked and hackers got their hand on this secret iOS?

This is not even relevant.....we are free thinking with rights that we have to be willing to sacrifice blood for. Why should I trust anyone with the power to take them from me? Are they of high moral compass? :frisky:
 
So, you support backdoors, right? But what happens if backdoors are leaked out to 3rd party? What happens if the government got hacked and the backdoor software is now everywhere? What happens if Apple/Google/FB/Microsoft got hacked and hackers got their hand on this secret iOS?


How do you know there already isn't?
 
How do you know there already isn't?

LOL...b/w you and BlackWorksInc, i think that i will have more grey hair! :D Hackers can only make an iPhone into a fancy iPod Touch. No data can be recovered. Learn more about Apple's security & privacy before assuming.
 
LOL...b/w you and BlackWorksInc, i think that i will have more grey hair! :D Hackers can only make an iPhone into a fancy iPod Touch. No data can be recovered. Learn more about Apple's security & privacy before assuming.


Who's the one doing the "assuming"? Tell me this ......when you ascertain news or info about about a particular subject, do you see it as you went out and "got" that info or were "given" and allowed/granted that info?
 
Who's the one doing the "assuming"? Tell me this ......when you ascertain news or info about about a particular subject, do you see it as you went out and "got" that info or were "given" and allowed/granted that info?

Mind-boggling...smh.:yield:
 
I respect your opinion and I refuse to agree with it ever.......your opinion is too easily subject to manipulation as there is no underlying core value that drives morality and the rights of an individual. :lol:


Your electronic info is out there for all to see......and you should expect that at some point it will be manipulated......anything less would be naive. It's just a matter of whether it's easy to get or a "little harder than easy" to get. Behave accordingly.
 
:lol::wink2:
 

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