Apple Opposes Judge Order to Break Encryption

[hikenbike]

I think you're all getting way over dramatic. The times require that they need to do this. They don't invent this stuff, but they have to deal with it and you want them to "keep us safe" by having answers and being preventative.......and then you want to handcuff them.

When people are harmed are you going to say "Hey, I still have my privacy!" That's weak and irresponsible.

You have your opinion, I have mine......and we'll leave it at that

 

[flighht2k5]

But your privacy is NOT more important than MY security, jack.

How do you know TSA never prevented anything? You can answer that while putting your pants back on.

More importantly......I tried to engage 4 Lo at highway speeds and the nob wouldn't turn. WTF! Some dude said I should do this every month! Should I bring it in?

And your security is not more important than my privacy jack.
It's a well known fact tsa sucks at there job

 

[hikenbike]

My biggest issue with it isn't the NSA or CIA having access to my dirty pictures (though to be honest, there's nothing remotely interesting on my phone besides some memes and pictures of the 4Runner...), it's that they historically don't stop there.



Our government is and has been gaining more and more control from the people in the last decade or two, which is historically a rather bad thing. That's not to say starting tomorrow or next week we're living in a police state, but it does mean that the government has been gathering far too much control over the people. The country was founded with the idea of For the People, By the People; Government should serve the people not the other way around. Historically when the people serve the government it doesn't end well for the people.



So I agree with [MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] that it's opening Pandora's Box... we as a people have already given WAY too much control to the government in the name of "the war against Terror." all of which were supposed to be temporary measure and most of which we just starting the process to get them back.

"For the People, By the People"??.......written by people firing muskets who had no idea of the challenges in 2016. They need to adapt to new challenges that have no "history"!

Apple needs to give them a backdoor. Very surprised at you people on this forum.

 

[flighht2k5]

"For the People, By the People"??.......written by people firing muskets who had no idea of the challenges in 2016.

Apple needs to give them a backdoor. Very surprised at you people on this forum.

Not sure what firing muskets has to do with this.
You can give up your rights but you better not give up mine.

 

[hikenbike]

And your security is not more important than my privacy jack.
It's a well known fact tsa sucks at there job

And yet I believe YOUR security is more important than what I keep on my phone.

I guess that's what's sets us apart.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

"For the People, By the People"??.......written by people firing muskets who had no idea of the challenges in 2016. They need to adapt to new challenges that have no "history"!

Apple needs to give them a backdoor. Very surprised at you people on this forum.

That's true and I don't disagree with you about rules of engagement, warfare, and other things changing in a few hundred years.

But the founding fathers were very well aware of what happens when a Government has too much power and no accountability. The more rights and freedoms we as a people give up and turn over more and more control to the government, the more and more that government can decide "to do what's best for us" and just start rolling military down the streets to protects us from "any credible threat."

Keep in mind that historically fear has been used to bring down nations, start world wars, create a communist super power, justify genocide, and turn countries into police states. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what it takes to make sure those who hurt us pay, but if it's at the cost of the security of the people and our children's future I'm not entirely sure that's a fair trade.

 

[flighht2k5]

And yet I believe YOUR security is more important than what I keep on my phone.

I guess that's what's sets us apart you selfish a**.

Well I don't need you to watch out for me. I'm an adult and can take care of myself. Why don't you move to North Korea or China or another utopia and report back how wonderful it is.

 

[hikenbike]

That's true and I don't disagree with you about rules of engagement, warfare, and other things changing in a few hundred years.



But the founding fathers were very well aware of what happens when a Government has too much power and no accountability. The more rights and freedoms we as a people give up and turn over more and more control to the government, the more and more that government can decide "to do what's best for us" and just start rolling military down the streets to protects us from "any credible threat."



Keep in mind that historically fear has been used to bring down nations, start world wars, create a communist super power, justify genocide, and turn countries into police states. I'm not saying we shouldn't do what it takes to make sure those who hurt us pay, but if it's at the cost of the security of the people and our children's future I'm not entirely sure that's a fair trade.

You're preventing them from doing "what it takes". Plain and simple.

These are phones we are talking about here. You're irresponsible for putting data on there you wouldn't want others to see.

 

[flighht2k5]

You're preventing them from doing "what it takes". Plain and simple.

These are phones we are talking about here. You're irresponsible for putting data on there you wouldn't want others to see.

Wow. You really are crazy aren't you?

 

[hikenbike]

Wow. You really are crazy aren't you?

I think "crazy" is giving bad people a powerful device with serious capabilities with no backdoor that can't be cracked.

Hey, but at least you have your damn privacy, huh?

Your living in the 1800's

 

[flighht2k5]

I think "crazy" is giving bad people a powerful device with serious capabilities with no backdoor that can't be cracked.

Hey, but at least you have your damn privacy, huh?

Your living in the 1800's

No I'm living in a somewhat free country. You're in love with 1984 and desire to live there.

 

[1engineer]

And yet I believe YOUR security is more important than what I keep on my phone.

I guess that's what's sets us apart you selfish a**.

*mod hat on*
Debate the opinion, don't attack the person. Don't want to send anyone on vacation from here.

 

[hikenbike]

*mod hat on*

Debate the opinion, don't attack the person. Don't want to send anyone on vacation from here.

Understood and removed.

 

[hikenbike]

No I'm living in a somewhat free country. You're in love with 1984 and desire to live there.

Bad people.
Powerful device.
Can't be cracked.

I think I remember the Germans having something like this a few years back.

There's your history lesson people.

 

[flighht2k5]

Bad people.
Powerful device.
Can't be cracked.

I think I remember the Germans having something like this a few years back.

There's your history lesson people.

Smh [emoji23]

 

[msp]

Bad people.
Powerful device.
Can't be cracked.

I think I remember the Germans having something like this a few years back.

There's your history lesson people.

I keep waiting to see a /sarcasm flag in your comments, but you seem to be serious. That's cool. This is a serious topic.

Many of us believe that we don't have to surrender our right to privacy, and that the "well, just trust the government" approach has been proven to be invalid virtually all of the time. Technology developed with good intent, in this case to crack open a phone, will certainly be misused going forward, because it is available, by every bad actor who can rationalize their behavior. It's human nature and we're not talking about Sheriff Andy in Maybery.

When you start bringing out the Nazi argument, well, that's when I start to wonder. There's no equivalence for all of the obvious reasons.

My hope is that the FBI gives Apple the phone. Apple takes it into a faraday cage somewhere and decrypts it. Then they give it back to the FBI. That would be a reasonable compromise, in my opinion.

 

[hikenbike]

I keep waiting to see a /sarcasm flag in your comments, but you seem to be serious. That's cool. This is a serious topic.



Many of us believe that we don't have to surrender our right to privacy, and that the "well, just trust the government" approach has been proven to be invalid virtually all of the time. Technology developed with good intent, in this case to crack open a phone, will certainly be misused going forward, because it is available, by every bad actor who can rationalize their behavior. It's human nature and we're not talking about Sheriff Andy in Maybery.



When you start bringing out the Nazi argument, well, that's when I start to wonder. There's no equivalence for all of the obvious reasons.



My hope is that the FBI gives Apple the phone. Apple takes it into a faraday cage somewhere and decrypts it. Then they give it back to the FBI. That would be a reasonable compromise, in my opinion.

I'm good with that too......but they won't......and that still goes against what pro-Apple people believe because even creating the Mechanism to decrypt it will lead to our ruin.

 

[msp]

I'm good with that too......but they won't......and that still goes against what pro-Apple people believe because even creating the Mechanism to decrypt it will lead to our ruin.

Ultimately, I think the courts will decide. Apple has been given what appears to be a lawful order. We'll see how it plays out. Peace.

 

[RedSled]

I keep waiting to see a /sarcasm flag in your comments, but you seem to be serious. That's cool. This is a serious topic.

Many of us believe that we don't have to surrender our right to privacy, and that the "well, just trust the government" approach has been proven to be invalid virtually all of the time. Technology developed with good intent, in this case to crack open a phone, will certainly be misused going forward, because it is available, by every bad actor who can rationalize their behavior. It's human nature and we're not talking about Sheriff Andy in Maybery.

When you start bringing out the Nazi argument, well, that's when I start to wonder. There's no equivalence for all of the obvious reasons.

My hope is that the FBI gives Apple the phone. Apple takes it into a faraday cage somewhere and decrypts it. Then they give it back to the FBI. That would be a reasonable compromise, in my opinion.

That would be great, but once you set the precedent it's all over. There are thousands of local LEOs that want to have that option, i mean hell there was people that lost lives there to. It just will not stop, greed and corruption will also take it's toll.

 

[msp]

That would be great, but once you set the precedent it's all over. There are thousands of local LEOs that want to have that option, i mean hell there was people that lost lives there to. It just will not stop, greed and corruption will also take it's toll.

I can't say I disagree with you, but in reality these companies comply with with the orders they are served. In this case, the iCloud data was given to authorities. All of these companies give data to law enforcement all the time. The only way to not comply is if the Apple security implementation is truly "uncrackable." I'm guessing that's not the case.

Again, I agree with your statement.