ARB or Shrockworks

[theizzardking]

ut I am a little perturbed because the generalization that you made here is common and COMPLETELY misguided and wrong.

Its hard to argue Aesthetics, but I CAN argue ignorance,

there's no ignorance here, and your love for all that is tube is blinding you from the ability to see things from another persons eyes,like i said i understand how the tube guys love the looks of thier bumpers and you my personally feel that it looks finished to you, but ask any blonde chick standing on the side of the street and they will tell you the same that i am, and yes the blonde chick is stupid and don't know jack, but that's my point anybody who has never wheeled or knows what a tube bumper is for would agree that they do not look completed or hacked up on the ride, so i guess in a way you can call it ignorance for not recognizing the performance value
but based purely on looks and not knowing what aftermarket bumpers are actually made for anyone would agree the tube bumpers make the truck look less complete....basically ask you're mom what she thinks, as in which one looks more finished. yeah i know it's not cool, but then again i never pretend to be cool either so, i just go for what i like and i prefer the plate bumpers as well as your mom, lol, not like that...


case in point, you can see the guts in both of those bumpers and neither one i think you would argue is ill thought out, it's just the nature of the beast, i mean just look where the heck the plate is mounted and then try to tell me that there's not alot of extra things exposed....

again it's personal preference on what you like or don't like, i'm just stating what a majority of the plate bumper owners think here, it's not like what i'm saying here is anything new or never been heard of before, it's the common debate on athetics and tube vs plate.

i mean let me put it like this, of course the tube bumper crowed isn't going to think it looks hacked up or over exposed, if they thought that they wouldn't have gone with the tube bumper in the first palce, that said why doesn't everyone go with a tube bumper? because "SOME" people think they looked 1/2 done and hacked up, i mean why wouldn't you want a lighter bumper that is just as strong and has better ventilation then a plate bumper?
it's because it's exactly as i said, some people feel they look hacked up or don;t like the exposed stuff behind them.


so trust me no ignorance here man, you know i've been around here long enough to know most of the manufactures who make these things, so i've seen the well made ones plenty, it's just a personal opinion on appearance.
i can understand you saying that to someone who's been here for like a week with a post count of 10 but come on man, calling me ignorant because i don't like what you do is stupid.

can we at least agree bob probert and marty mcsorley were both bad asses?
lol.......

 

[Duhockey]

like i said i understand how the tube guys love the looks of thier bumpers and you my personally feel that it looks finished to you, but ask any blonde chick standing on the side of the street and they will tell you the same that i am, and yes the blonde chick is stupid and don't know jack, but that's my point anybody who has never wheeled or knows what a tube bumper is for would agree that they do not look completed or hacked up on the ride,

See this kind of statement is a huge generalization.

so i guess in a way you can call it ignorance for not recognizing the performance value

I wasnt even going as far as calling that ignorance. performance value is something a small percentage of people will recognize and value...

but based purely on looks and not knowing what aftermarket bumpers are actually made for anyone would agree the tube bumpers make the truck look less complete

see this may be your opinion, but saying everyone thinks that is a generalization, one that I think is incorrect. I am not arguing aesthetics or personal taste in bumpers, Im arguing the points that

1. tube bumpers look incomplete
2. the generalization that "everyone" (including apparently my mom) LOL thinks they are hacked.

case in point, you can see the guts in both of those bumpers and neither one i think you would argue is ill thought out, it's just the nature of the beast, i mean just look where the heck the plate is mounted and then try to tell me that there's not alot of extra things exposed....

ok, heres where Im wondering if Im blind, but what exactly do you see here that makes you think there is something exposed? if you mean the black thats the same exact color as the bumper, than yes, there is black behind the bumper, saying that looks hacked is a stretch, it really does look really clean and you cant even see it from most angles... all you see, just like a plate bumper, is the bumper.

so trust me no ignorance here man, you know i've been around here long enough to know most of the manufactures who make these things, so i've seen the well made ones plenty, it's just a personal opinion on appearance.

agreed, no argument here.

i can understand you saying that to someone who's been here for like a week with a post count of 10 but come on man, calling me ignorant because i don't like what you do is stupid.

never called you ignorant based on taste or preference... I probably shouldnt have used that word.

can we at least agree bob probert and marty mcsorley were both bad asses?
lol.......

you know we are cool and always will be, no hard feelings, just trying to get some love, if everyone generalizes these bumpers and doesnt give them a chance, then its everyones loss cuz they are far less hacked than "everyone" here seems to think. and yeah, Probert and Mcsorley were both badass!


and one more thing, I dont have any problem with plate bumpers. I think most of them look pretty badass. Im just trying to get people to stop generalizing opinions about tube bumpers..

 

[theizzardking]

Im just trying to get people to stop generalizing opinions about tube bumpers..

ok i see where this is coming from now, and i can agree with what your trying to say and do, i'll just keep quite as i know what your saying that negivtive words like this tend to make the production of tube bumper smaller and turn people off even if they have never seen one in person, esp. when browsing on
the internet. and they are a legitimate option....

but just to make one final point is that even if everything is the same color behind there and whatnot just seeing the components is too much for me and that's where i come up with the hacked thing, and honestly think any soccer mom, blonde mall junkie bimbo would agree with me, not saying you necessarily want those types agreeing with you, but hey i've heard that sort of things from women most my life, girlfriends, friends and yes my very own mother, i am just making broad generalizations and meaning to do so,which i admit is not a very good thing but i'm using it as a tool to help describe the average person, does the average person like the taste of cold water, i would say yes, yes they do, there may be a large group of people who prefer it hot but i would feel confident in making the large generalization that most like it cold, i'm doing no different here with the plate vs tube bumper.

if the general public didn't agree with me tube bumpers would be the prevalent bumper on the market and the tube bumpers would never be refereed to an "unique" and an arb would be a rare sight indeed, just look at the numbers, we both know that if people bought bumpers based on nothing but performance alone they would all be tube bumpers, but that's not the case the plate bumpers are much more popular, it has to be something besides performance then, and i would be willing to put money on it that the largest reason is looks.


and really man, i think the general public is a bunch of morons and the argument I'm making here doesn't even put the plate bumpers in the best light, lol

 

[theizzardking]

oh yeah dude,we're cool, we are more then cool, we're

lol, seriously though no toes being stepped on here, buddy ;-)

 

[racerunner]

hey izz I respect your opinion,and your right about the unfinished look,but that's the look I was going for.To me it looks more like a trail rig.Even if I haven't been wheeling as much as I used to(kids etc.).I love the way it looks. especially since it's not my dd.I wont say nothing bad about plate bumpers cause I think they are badass too.However i feel that some of you plate bumper guys are quick to bash our tube bumpers,but thats cool everyone is entitled to thier opinion.And btw I filled in some of that look with winch,and some piaa lights.

 

[theizzardking]

However i feel that some of you plate bumper guys are quick to bash our tube bumpers

oh yeah man, i agree with everything you just said, some like the looks, and for performance the tube bumpers are better in almost every way, and i'm not trying to bash anyone here or bash the tube bumpers in general, i was just conveying the thoughts in many a plate bumper owners minds.

and some plate guys are quick to bash the tube bumpers, it's just not me, i say do whatever you want except lambo doors and momo's, then i'll flame you and made rude comments, beyond that i don't really care as we all love the same thing here, our trucks!
and hey let's face it, it's not my truck sooo thhbbbtt :roadkill: who cares, i don't have to drive it regardless of what i think, you know.....

and personally i don't think they look as bad as i may be coming across here, but like i said I'm just trying to convey what the average idiot person on the side of the street might think.

like i said hepar's bumper is sexy and i have seen tube bumpers that i would put on my truck, but not at this point in time on my DD flex'n at the mall, when it becomes a trail rig only then thats another story.

 

[Hepar]

like i said hepar's bumper is sexy

Are you hitting on my rig? I think that is crossing some sort of man rule. :lmao:

And OP, looking forward to seeing the ARB on. It's gonna look great.

 

[Big John]

but just to make one final point is that even if everything is the same color behind there and whatnot just seeing the components is too much for me and that's where i come up with the hacked thing, and honestly think any soccer mom, blonde mall junkie bimbo would agree with me,

So... You like having the same bumper as a soccer mom/blonde junkie bimbo?:lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

[theizzardking]

So... You like having the same bumper as a soccer mom/blonde junkie bimbo?:lmao::lmao::lmao:

yep i'm all about getting me some MILF and blonde bimbo, lol. :50cal:

it's funny i think everyone else saw the humor in my posts coming through........:roadkill:


tube bumper people getting all upset that the plate bumper people think their stuff looks hacked up would be like me getting angry because you guys call my plate bumper heavy, in fact i'd be willing to bet my plate bumper is actually lighter then some of the tube bumpers on the market, but you don't see me getting my panties in a twist when people call plate bumpers heavy, it's just the general consensus on the fact and that's all i'm trying to convey here, general consensus, and even if soccer moms and blonde bimbo's are dumb their numbers still count in a general consensus , that's all i'm saying, the general population would think they look hacked up, even putting a winch in there isn't going to change the fact you can see the underside and lots of internals when walking by in a parkinglot, sure you may not be able to see much when someone is driving by doing 50mph , but same goes for chicks "good from afar,far from good".....bwhahaha

anyways, both are great and of the tube bumpers made i think some of the 3rd gens have the sweetest around, the manufactures around here have a good eye and make a quality product that's for sure, much more so then the option for other makes and models, so don't take my post as an attack on any of these products, we all know tube bumpers and stingers are for the truly hardcore and i will probably move to one in a number of years once my 3rd gen isn't so sexy on the street and dedicated to dirt.

 

[Big John]

Sadly I won't be getting me some MILF nor blonde bimbo, with and ARB on the front of my rig, lol. :50cal: Gotta get me some tube going on.

I'm working really hard to convince myself and everyone else that my ARB looks good.......:roadkill:

Tube bumper people are really cool and not afraid to not get an ARB and look like a ton of other rigs, in fact i'd be willing to bet my plate bumper is never going to be lighter nor better looking than any of the tube bumpers.
Sorry for me getting my panties in a twist when people call plate bumpers heavy, then typing endless posts to try to convey the opposite.
All I'm saying is the general population would think they look really cool, and putting a winch in there really finishes the great look.

Anyways, tube bumpers are great and of the tube bumpers made i think some of the 3rd gens have the sweetest around, the manufactures around here have a great eye and make an ultra quality product that's for sure. Tube bumpers and stingers have absolutely nothing to do with being hardcore. They just complete the off road look and save a lot of weight over plate. I will probably move to a tube bumper ASAP as I have realized after typing paragraph after paragraph trying to convince everyone my 3rd gen is sexy with a plate bumper that I was dead wrong on all accounts.

Fixed it for you. :iagree: :bravo:

 

[Duhockey]

Fixed it for you. :iagree: :bravo:

LOL :trophy: FTW Big John!!

Izz, lol, ur still my boy, but you just got

:sobbing::gun4:

you were the smilie on the left!

 

[AddictedOffroad]

Fixed it for you. :iagree: :bravo:

Ha! :bigok:

 

[McFly2003]

ya get what you pay for...

have had both (arb on my '85 pickup, SW on my 3rd gen t4r). the arb is a great bumper, no doubt. a tried and true design that has been proven for decades. my two problems, however, are this...the style, though great for the older and boxier body styles, does nothing for the lines of our trucks. also, while they are a well built piece and are quite strong, i would say that the shrockworks is just an all around stronger bumper. I am no expert on steel and welds and whatnot, but the steel on my shrockworks is definitely thicker and it feels much more solid.

the wait sucks, i will admit, but in the end, i love my shrockworks and wouldn't do it any other way

 

[racerunner]

:lmao:

 

[theizzardking]

Fixed it for you. :iagree: :bravo:

:gun6::gun6:
dude, you been pumping tube for way too long, you can't see straight ! First you can't admit that the majority of people think you rig looks hacked up and the only people jumping to your defense is other tube riders, how strange is that? I know my rig looks good and i know my woman looks good, lol,
it's called class, sure the tube bumpers look good if you're the type who likes slamming back a of 12 pack of Budweisers and call nascar a sport....yee-haw!
if they where so cool and good looking why is the market so small? nobody wants to throw a tube bumper on their new 40K ride they all opt for the plate bumper in hordes, and it's not like they don't know you guys exist, yeah sure you guys may get a few orders but your no ARB are you? i bet you'd love to be pulling in that sort of revenue.
who wouldn't?
it's not so easy to talk when your getting crushed in the market now is it? but it sure does help to be specialized huh! can you say niche?


i was basically being kind and trying to show some common decency if you can't be humble enough to admit your own choice's short comings either tube or plate then i don't know what to say to ya tube pumpers, give credit where it's due either way.

tube pumpers eermm tube bumpers are for function not for attractiveness ,
if you think tube bumpers are attractive,
i bet you also think this looks attractive....

(how about we go back to acting like adults and let this thread get back on topic, all of my posts where merely trying to pointing out why the op was looking for plate bumpers in the first place):bash:

no offense to my tube riding friends out there, lol:gun6:
:trophy:



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hahaha, i thought that would have nuked this thread, anyways, i hope we both can take jokes :thumbs:, no hard feelings on this end ;-)

 

[Big John]

:gun6::gun6:
dude, you been pumping tube for way too long, you can't see straight ! First you can't admit that the majority of people think you rig looks hacked up and the only people jumping to your defense is other tube riders, how strange is that? I know my rig looks good and i know my woman looks good, lol,
it's called class, sure the tube bumpers look good if you're the type who likes slamming back a of 12 pack of Budweisers and call nascar a sport....yee-haw!
if they where so cool and good looking why is the market so small? nobody wants to throw a tube bumper on their new 40K ride they all opt for the plate bumper in hordes, and it's not like they don't know you guys exist, yeah sure you guys may get a few orders but your no ARB are you? i bet you'd love to be pulling in that sort of revenue.
who wouldn't?
it's not so easy to talk when your getting crushed in the market now is it? but it sure does help to be specialized huh! can you say niche?


i was basically being kind and trying to show some common decency if you can't be humble enough to admit your own choice's short comings either tube or plate then i don't know what to say to ya tube pumpers, give credit where it's due either way.

tube pumpers eermm tube bumpers are for function not for attractiveness ,
if you think tube bumpers are attractive,
i bet you also think this looks attractive....

(how about we go back to acting like adults and let this thread get back on topic, all of my posts where merely trying to pointing out why the op was looking for plate bumpers in the first place):bash:

no offense to my tube riding friends out there, lol:gun6:
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hahaha, i thought that would have nuked this thread, anyways, i hope we both can take jokes :thumbs:, no hard feelings on this end ;-)

I'm very sorry for owning you. I was just kidding, just like you say you are.

 

[AddictedOffroad]

yeah sure you guys may get a few orders but your no ARB are you? i bet you'd love to be pulling in that sort of revenue.
who wouldn't?
it's not so easy to talk when your getting crushed in the market now is it? but it sure does help to be specialized huh! can you say niche?
)

I wouldn't. I don't need all the headaches.

But Wow, you are just talking straight out of your ass here. Considering that for a 3 man shop we sell 6-7 bumpers/week I would say that per unit, we are kicking their butt royally.

And, considering that since we released this bumper only a few months ago, I have seen more people on this board buy my bumper than theirs. Sorry, but you are wrong on that level.

I honestly don't care if someone runs tube or plate. Its their rig and they can decide for themselves.

One thing is for sure though. Opinions are like *******s. Everyone seems to have one.

IMHO, I don't think ignorance is your problem. Its arrogance. :nono:

 

[theizzardking]

I'm very sorry for owning you. I was just kidding, just like you say you are.

Lol nice come back tube pumper , I thought this was a pissing match and you drop out on round one ?

Lol , I don't rally care either but if your gonna talk trash you gotta be able to take it to , I thought a tube lover like you could take it , lol right "big john "

Haha

 

[theizzardking]

I wouldn't. I don't need all the headaches.

But Wow, you are just talking straight out of your ass here. Considering that for a 3 man shop we sell 6-7 bumpers/week I would say that per unit, we are kicking their butt royally.

And, considering that since we released this bumper only a few months ago, I have seen more people on this board buy my bumper than theirs. Sorry, but you are wrong on that level.

I honestly don't care if someone runs tube or plate. Its their rig and they can decide for themselves.

One thing is for sure though. Opinions are like *******s. Everyone seems to have one.

IMHO, I don't think ignorance is your problem. Its arrogance. :nono:

Lol , no I'm sure you guys are quite busy , you do good work and so you should be rewarded with customers , but your lying through your teeth if your saying you wouldn't want that.revenue stream , when your pulling in that sort of money you hire someone else to run it and just walk away .

And while you sell lets say 10 in a good week arb has probably done that in a few hours world wide, maybe I'm am arrogant I don't know, that's one of those things that you don't know about you're self until you've heard it more then a few times , after all an arrogant person always thinks they are all right , right ? Lol

And I completely agree with you stupid argument , but it's also stupid not to admit you can the internals of the truck with a tube bumper.and some people just.don't like that , it's like not.admitting some people don't like chocolate ice cream, your underling just can't.seem to get that through his head...lol

Just.want to say no disrespect, you guys do great work but it's just not for everyone and I am personally grateful for what you do for the runner community and here on the.forum , there's no doubt I learn from you constantly , and I really appreciate it, and am basically treating this as just the pissing match that it's devolved into , lol
So don't take what I'm saying to deeply , just proving I can be as stupid as big john lol

 

[AddictedOffroad]

Lol , no I'm sure you guys are quite busy , you do good work and so you should be rewarded with customers , but your lying through your teeth if your saying you wouldn't want that.revenue stream , when your pulling in that sort of money you hire someone else to run it and just walk away .

And while you sell lets say 10 in a good week arb has probably done that in a few hours world wide, maybe I'm am arrogant I don't know, that's one of those things that you don't know about you're self until you've heard it more then a few times , after all an arrogant person always thinks they are all right , right ? Lol

And I completely agree with you stupid argument , but it's also stupid not to admit you can the internals of the truck with a tube bumper.and some people just.don't like that , it's like not.admitting some people don't like chocolate ice cream, your underling just can't.seem to get that through his head...lol

Just.want to say no disrespect, you guys do great work but it's just not for everyone and I am personally grateful for what you do for the runner community and here on the.forum , there's no doubt I learn from you constantly , and I really appreciate it, and am basically treating this as just the pissing match that it's devolved into , lol
So don't take what I'm saying to deeply , just proving I can be as stupid as big john lol

Your grammar truly sucks. I honestly cannot understand 2/3rds of what you just typed.

You need to understand that the reason he took offense to it is because you are blatantly going out of your way to effect our business and our livelihood. What you think is a game, isn't to us. This is how we put food on the table. This isn't you just posting your opinion. Its essentially attacking what it is we do. Its one thing to tell someone why you don't like it, but in your case you are beating the dead horse over and over and over and over and.......again to prove a point that has no merit. Its just your opinion.

For us, we like our MUCH better approach angle, and not having a 200lb cattle killer bolted to the front of our rig. At 68lbs, I don't need to run stupidly heavy duty springs to carry it either. And, its just as strong at a fraction of the weight and a fraction of the price.

See, there is my point. I made it and can walk away without padding 25 posts to my post count.