Are You A 4x4'er or Overlander?

MrSeth

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So this is a topic I have wanted to touch on for a few years now, and after experiencing both worlds for a few years I have identified my passion- what is yours?

Off-Roading- "the activity or sport of driving a motor vehicle over rough terrain."

Overlanding- "describes self-reliant adventure travel to remote destinations where the journey is the primary goal. ... While expedition is defined as a journey with a purpose, overlanding sees the journey as the purpose."


As a child, my father would take my Pheasant hunting in the state of Kansas in his 1993 Toyota Land Cruiser. I always loved falling asleep on the back bench seat on the drive to and from, and always enjoyed camping out of the back of the truck for a week while hunting. Growing up, he eventually sold that vehicle and bought a Chevy pickup truck- he has regretted it his entire life. The closest he has come is his Lexus that he has. The hunting stories we tell to this day always revolve around "remember that old golden color landcruiser? We had some sort of big bird shocks on it (OME) and we would beat it up and it would never ever die"

In college, all of my friends would drink heavily or smoke the ditch weed they could muster up in Kansas. But I would drive the roads my father and I used to drive, stop at the spots we used to stop at, and sit where we used to sit. One night, out on those dirt roads in my Honda, I decided to have my Bulleit and camp it out alone under the stars. That night, the memories flooded in-the old conversations ran rampant through my head.

That night, in my somewhat intoxicated stupor, I decided- I am gonna sell this turd and pick myself up a Toyota.

At that time I owned my little golden Honda Accord (my grandmother gave it to me) and a 1968 Mustang coupe that I had poured my heart and soul into building. Luckily for me, my school was the McPherson College School of Automotive Restoration.

I listed both of my cars at the same time and ended up just having enough money to pick up my 2004 Toyota 4Runner. (there's a build thread so I won't go on about my rig as this posts' point isn't to discuss my build).

The day I bought my truck, I went bombing down the roads my father and I used to go down to hunt. I crossed the railroad tracks listening to Bruce Springsteen like we used to do and camped by an old silo we used to stop by. In fact, the property owner came out to see who it was, and I told him who I was- we shared tears and stories, a bit of whiskey, and a cigar or two reminiscing about the old days. He left me alone that night to camp where my father and I used to camp.

The next day I awoke, skipped my classes for the day and drove to the old diners we used to go to, talked to the people we used to talk to, ate the food we used to eat, and even got myself some cruddy Folgers coffee that we used to chug in the morning to wake up to hunt "the birds".

I realized that with my PTSD from rescue operations performed in Oklahoma and Kansas were silenced by my driving. My driving got me off of my medications and have always brought back fond memories.

This is the point at which I realized, it doesn't matter how big my rig can get, or how big the rocks are that I can crawl over- it's all about taking that drive down the memory lane chasing that old 1993 Land Cruiser.
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Now, a quick break in this story as I want to touch on a bit of 4x4'ing that I did. YES it was fun, YES it was addicting, YES there is a HUGE following in getting that "MAX FLEX" or getting out of your rig to walk next to your twin stick rig walking up a steep incline.

Adrenaline rush? YES. Feeling of satisfaction coming down from the Colorado mountains without a broken rig? HECK YES. But it just wasn't the "high" that my soul was chasing.

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To this very day, my father and I always talk about driving that old Land Cruiser for 30 hours straight, camping at truck stops, making due- this is what drives my passion today.

I don't fly anywhere- except on orders. I drive. I love the journey getting to where I am going. I love talking to the people, seeing the places, supporting the small businesses, taking photos with fans and other 4Runner owners. It is sweeter than sugar to me and is my true passion in life.

My biggest mistake in Overlanding is trying to create and commercialize my passion by creating Lone Wolf Overland Co. Was it fun at times? YES. Did people really stop me to take photos and get signatures? YES.

BUT IT ALL SEEMED SO ARTIFICIAL.

Sewing and sharing products I made for myself and my journeys with others was fun, but seeing those products MINUS the memories or challenges associated with them made me feel like I was letting my inner soul and freedom just seep out.

DO I still Overland? Yes. When I can.

Unfortunately work holds a tight leash around my neck- but I still escape when I can. I drive to Crested Butte, Durango, Silverton, Estes Park, Flagstaff, etc.. and try to shut out the rest of the world when I'm on the dirt roads or highways. I still play my Springsteen, my Russ Taff, my Journey and others and just lose myself in the journey to the location.
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It seems like we tend to shut off our nearly religious connection to whatever we do whether its hardcore rock crawling, offroading, or overlanding- My intention with this post is to possibly re-ignite and kindle the small flame within each and every single one of you and to encourage you to get out and explore....

In the end, after watching countless episodes of 4xOverland on Youtube, drinking my whiskey neats, selling my drugs in the pharmacy, or working long rotations in the hospital- it really doesn't matter WHAT you call yourself- just get out, live, love, and be free.

We are all growing old, but we don't have to die on the inside.

Keep wheeling, keep overlanding, keep exploring and discovering but above all else- keep living in the passion you find deep within yourself.

Have a fantastic night, and safe travels to all of my brothers and sisters.

-Seth
 
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It seems like we tend to shut off our nearly religious connection to whatever we do whether its hardcore rock crawling, offroading, or overlanding- My intention with this post is to possibly re-ignite and kindle the small flame within each and every single one of you and to encourage you to get out and explore....

In the end, after watching countless episodes of 4xOverland on Youtube, drinking my whiskey neats, selling my drugs in the pharmacy, or working long rotations in the hospital- it really doesn't matter WHAT you call yourself- just get out, live, love, and be free.

We are all growing old, but we don't have to die on the inside.

Keep wheeling, keep overlanding, keep exploring and discovering but above all else- keep living in the passion you find deep within yourself.

Have a fantastic night, and safe travels to all of my brothers and sisters.

-Seth
As a 22 year old college student, I can totally reflect on this.

My parents too, took me on long trips across the country and I'd stare out the window in awe of the scenery, that was America. Had I never even stepped outside my town, where the heart of Google is, I would probably be at home like most of my peers just saying that nature is dumb, exploration is dumb and driving long distances to see landscape is dumb, just staring at my phone for the next facebook update or googling images of the grand canyon. But man, I'm so glad i'm not one of them.

I ache to go out and explore and sleep in the comforts of my sleeping bag and under the starts, but similar to you, the priorities of school + work keep me tied down to the comforts of my mattress and the roof over my head. But I think as of late, I've just made more and more excuses lately that i've been tied down.

After reading your post, it just made me realize how important, and therapeutic getting out is for me. And it's the reason I am now trying to find a date that I can get out ASAP.


Thanks Seth!
 
I like where this is going.

I like that you associate this entire idea and culture to something deeper...thats really cool. My father used to come with me to my races, and that is a nice memory i will always hold...RIP HJL


For me, i am a rookie at this. I have owned a jeep in a previous life, and a LR Disco...but had never taken either off road during my ownership. They were simply for my own enjoyment (i HATE cars), for absorbing these terrible Wash DC area roadways, and for snow driving.

I only discovered off road driving with the purchase of my '14 T4R, and this wonderful forum site. Seeing the fun that folks have going into the deserts, the woods, the mud, the mountains, inspired me to want to see what that was about for myself. I have found some wonderful parks, trails, hunting sites, and out of the way locations even in the more congested eastern US and MidAtlantic area...in places you wouldnt normally associate with being off the path. The challenge alone is so much fun, but also seeing what my truck can do, and what i can do with it, is exciting in a new kind of way for a guy who has enjoyed road racing motorcycles for the past 20 years.

As far as the 'overlanding' thing...since i have never been a camper, or one who enjoyed sleeping on anything other than something with a high thread count, i dont know if that is somewhere i would graduate to. Ive enjoyed vids like the guys who took the 4Runners down to S. America. I have youtube'd several trecks taken by groups in various LC/T4R/FJ trips throughout the USA & Canada. I watched that Rd & Track vid up the Dalton Highway in full, even though that guy really likes the sound of his own voice-to be sure. These are some amazing adventures. I just dont know if i would ever plan and take part in any in my lifetime.

I will add, however, that i have always loved 'roadtrips' in general. So a drive out west, and along the back road pathways through those state parks in Utah and the like "Cathedral Park" "Arches National Park" and thru those park service roads with signs that read "4WD recomended" really sounds inviting to me.

So for me, ill solidly say that i am a budding 4x4'r...and not an overlander...

but i am open to learn, to be sure.
 
Overlander. While I can't say I have those memories growing up, I know those are the memories I want to create for my kids and hopefully, their kids. Not to say I don't like a good challenge of a drive, but something about discovering a place off the beaten path and enjoying a night under the stars, a good fishing hole, or an awesome vista.
 
Great post!

I would have to say that I fall into the Overlander category, in that I like driving scenic backcountry type roads, which may or may not require 4x4 capabilities.

Last year I took a fantastic journey to Montana and explored the Missouri Breaks National Back Country Scenic Byway and drove some fire roads in the Bitterroot Mts. I also went down to Northern Utah and drove part of the Transcontinental Railroad National Back Country Scenic Byway. It was so nice to be away from the crowded cities and camping in more remote places.

My recent journey did require the 4x4 capability of the FJ Cruiser (sold) and I used A-trac to get out of a muddy area that I got stuck in, after pulling to the side of the road onto a very soft shoulder, to let an oncoming car go by.

At some point I plan on going to Moab, but my primary focus will not be to do the serious rock climbing. Will probably just do light trails, like the White Rim Canyon Trail, etc.
 
I did some very mild 4x4, as my T4R is my DD. I am only now starting the whole camping experience with my first trip next month. Hopefully that will grow into overlanding. I just need to find a remote location from a drivable distance from a hotel because my wife hates bugs:shrug:
 
I just need to find a remote location from a drivable distance from a hotel because my wife hates bugs:shrug:

citronella candles and bug spray. smoke from camp fires too I find keeps them away.
try and camp near a river or moving water. the stagnant water draws in the mosquitos.
 
I would definitely fall in the Overlander category. I like dirt roads and exploring. Never been in to rock crawling, but admire those who enjoy that and push vehicles to limits.
 
As my user title on TW notes, "*******s call 'travel' 'overlanding' ".

I like to explore shit. I like to travel. I subscribe to the idea of "overlanding" but I absolutely despise the word "overland"; it's stupid. How the hell else are you going to get there?

Edit, nice story though.
 
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Cool story.

I like four wheel drive vehicles. I really like Toyota four wheel drive vehicles. I like to drive them around and enjoy their capabilities. I've owned Jeeps and like driving them around too. Mountain forest service roads, mild trails, etc.

I also like the outdoors and enjoy hiking, especially when paired with a cool four wheel drive ride to get there. I do like to camp but rarely have the time.

There isn't really a name for me I guess. :sobbing:

Back in the day before I was married and before my buddies were all married we used to camp out a lot. I had an old single cab Tacoma 4x4 that we would load up with all our camping stuff and go four wheel drive our way up into the mountains for a weekend.

OG Overwheelcamping.
 
Explorer

I'm mostly an explorer -> What's up that canyon? Wonder what the view is like up on that ridge? I wonder how that rock layer got there? What were they mining here? Think that trail goes through?
 
I'm with others. Both and neither. Overlanding is a more recent buzzword I think. What I call a great weekend with camping and driving nowhere is now known as "overlanding". I do love the stories and camaraderie that has come out of it since it has become more popular, or maybe has a word to define it now.
 
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