1engineer
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TRD wheels come from Toyota dealers. [MENTION=55815]Okki[/MENTION] is the expert on these wheels so give him a pm on cost. He is a very well versed and helpful guy when it comes to these type of mods.
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TRD wheels come from Toyota dealers. [MENTION=55815]Okki[/MENTION] is the expert on these wheels so give him a pm on cost. He is a very well versed and helpful guy when it comes to these type of mods.
Are you talking about the 17" TRD wheels that come with a beadlock, and are sometimes seen on new TE's in dealer lots? I thought they were a dealer order option? I saw them on two different '13 TE's when I was searching for a new rig, and I believe they were listed on the dealer paperwork from the factory.
Talk to the dealer you have your order in with, and hopefully they can be added. Good luck, and enjoy your new ride !
skimr
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Badhabits, sorry haven't been checking this thread for awhile so didn't see your question. It is related to sidewall strength. Even on a regular gravel road tire punctures on the highway tires are not uncommon. Our work trucks drive on all sorts of forest service and BLM gravel roads and if we don't have at least D rated tires we have a terrible time with flats. Weak sidewalls, lots of flex and crushed gravel make for lots of flats.
That's the one Intruder...good job.
rox.n.ben here's a couple of links with lots of pictures of '13 Trails so you can get an idea of what that TRD wheel looks like on a rig.
Missoula, Montana advertized with a $3,500. discount of list:
New 2013 Toyota 4Runner For Sale | Missoula MT
St. Louis with the beadlock wheels and rear seat individual entertainment units, listed at full price:
2013 Toyota 4Runner For Sale St. Louis MO 63128
rox.n.ben here's a couple of links with lots of pictures of '13 Trails so you can get an idea of what that TRD wheel looks like on a rig.
Missoula, Montana advertized with a $3,500. discount of list:
New 2013 Toyota 4Runner For Sale | Missoula MT
St. Louis with the beadlock wheels and rear seat individual entertainment units, listed at full price:
2013 Toyota 4Runner For Sale St. Louis MO 63128
Sorry for the late response... it's been a busy weekend
Anyway: pretty much everything you need to know on the TRD rims you can find in my build thread here: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/94578-okkis-build-thread-3.html#post1028212
17INCH RIMS & TIRES
TRD forged 17" rims (PTR45-35010) $1,650.00 5 rims toyotatrdpart.com
Wheel Installation Kit 12mm Conical (PTR27-89100) $150.00 toyotatrdpart.com
Shipping $60.00 toyotatrdpart.com
Cooper Tire Discoverer ATP $1,343.53 Discount Tire
Specifically to your questions:
If you have not yet taken delivery of your truck, you can ask the dealer to install the TRD rims for you as a dealer installed option and since there are no miles yet on the rims/tires that your truck otherwise is delivered with, they MAY offer a credit for those, offsetting your total cost.
Depending on the dealer attitude (and possibly local law), they may not want to offer you a credit for your "old" rims if they have to sell them as "used", which reduces their value to the dealer.
Dealer prices tend to be high and the tires you want (Cooper Discoverer ATP) may not be available to the dealer.
The short answer is to shop around. Know what your cost would be if you ordered the rims on your own and have them installed at Discount tire when they mount your tires on them.
Take that information and have a conversation with your dealer about what they can offer. I ended up selling my OEM rims and tires to another user on the forum here (fairly local to my area; because shipping is very cost prohibitive) and I think we both got a good deal out of it.
As far as off road capability versus daily driving characteristics, I've been extremely pleased with the ATP's. They have a slightly more aggressive profile compared to the AT3's (which I like) but do not have excessive road noise. Initially they were no noisier than the OEM tires, but they have gotten a tad louder as they are wearing (all tires do this). The noise level is still no issue as far as I'm concerned and the wife hasn't complained so far either.
On a final and most important note: 16 INCH RIMS WILL NOT CLEAR THE 4RUNNER'S BRAKE CALIPERS. 17 Inch wheels is the smallest you can fit, and in my opinion, anything smaller would look out of place on our truck.
Hopefully this helps!
Okki
ADDITIONAL: They are "streetlock" rims; they are NOT actual beadlock rims. Beadlocks are illegal in most states for public road going vehicles.
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T4Ranger
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TRDparts has the TRD wheels listed at 349 a wheel,
17 TRD Forged Wheel with BeadLock Ring PTR45-35010
and many current places are offering buy 3 get 1 free tires for the upcoming holiday specials... i plan on getting my cooper st maxx tires on a deal like this, its a great time to buy
17 TRD Forged Wheel with BeadLock Ring PTR45-35010
and many current places are offering buy 3 get 1 free tires for the upcoming holiday specials... i plan on getting my cooper st maxx tires on a deal like this, its a great time to buy
Well, 1E has done a great job in getting the word out on the AT/3s, LOL. I was hoping to take advantage of any Black Friday deals and score a set. However, it has proven to be the most elusive tire to find locally. I'd like to think that it might be high demand, as the Discount Tire Direct web site lists the AT/3 as backordered (for the P-metric). However, I'm not sure if any of the local listed Cooper tire dealers actually carry the AT/3s under normal circumstances. Right now my choices would either be the ATPs from my local DT store or the Destination ATs.
Okki on your ATP's have you used them in mud and / or sand. If so I'd sure appreciate knowing what your impressions were. Thanks in advance.
For those of you that have put a few thousand miles on your AT3s or ATPs, how are the sipes holding up? I compared both tites snd noted that the sipes don't appear to go very deep. That makes me wonder about performance half way through the useable life. Some other tires siping goes much deeper. Comments?
Great discussion on tires guys.
I too am looking for new tires to replace my stock ones on my 13TE. Was thinking GY Dura's but rethinking now that I read this. I have to do something soon as the snow is starting to fly and the stock tires suck !!
By the way OP I am also 52 y/o. lol.
I too am looking for new tires to replace my stock ones on my 13TE. Was thinking GY Dura's but rethinking now that I read this. I have to do something soon as the snow is starting to fly and the stock tires suck !!
By the way OP I am also 52 y/o. lol.
FrontRange4Runner
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My ATP's have about 20k on them. Sipes are still good and I am still happy with the performance in slippery conditions. It looks like you are stuck between the ATP and the Destination AT. The ATP looks much more aggressive in person, if that's what you are looking for. I have been very happy with mine in all the conditions I have thrown at them so far (no hardcore offroad as of yet though.) That being said, the Destination AT gets very good reviews and seems like it's a very good tire. Honestly, I think you would be happy with either tire.
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I have not had them on sand, and not any true mud. I did plow through some seriously muddy water and they did just fine for that. The same muddy trail/creek got a jeep wrangler stuck, but I got through it just fine by keeping momentum up.
So keep in mind they are All Terrain (AT) tires and not Mud Terrain (MT) tires. but as mentioned before; for what I use them on, they have performed excellent and as expected.
Okki
I have noticed that my ATPs are a little less forgiving in standing water than when they are new, but the sipes are not tearing or anything. Any tire will decrease in its performance as it's wearing.
My ATP's have 21,500 miles on them to date.
Okki
I went ahead and ordered the AT/3s through my local Discount Tire. I have to admit they did everything they could to deserve my business. Although they typically do not carry them in stock, they had one AT/3 in a different size. The salesman took me upstairs and pulled that tire to let me compare it to an ATP side by side. That sold me, as I liked the scalloped edges of the interior side lugs the AT/3 offered over the ATP. It'll probably be about a week before the tires arrive and are mounted.
[MENTION=87531]FrontRange4Runner[/MENTION]: You are probably right in that I would be happy with either. But the way that DT helped me choose a tire that they normally don't stock, they earned my business. They had the ATPs in stock but didn't push them over the AT/3s.
[Edit:] For those that may wonder, the Destination A/T's siping was full depth.
[MENTION=87531]FrontRange4Runner[/MENTION]: You are probably right in that I would be happy with either. But the way that DT helped me choose a tire that they normally don't stock, they earned my business. They had the ATPs in stock but didn't push them over the AT/3s.
[Edit:] For those that may wonder, the Destination A/T's siping was full depth.
I purchased a set of Cooper AT3s from Discount Tire for my 2014 Trail a few weeks ago, and I just took them back today and exchanged them for a set of Michelin LTX M/S2. When I got the Coopers, they took a lot of weight to balance (9 ounces for the worst and the others were not a lot less). Discount Tire said they put the worst ones on the back, but that is not what I want to hear about brand new tires. That worried me and I was getting some very slight short vibrations and wobble when they were cold. They were very smooth, very quiet and and rode very well most of the time, but I was worried that they would get worse over time so I did not want to take a chance on them. If they had not taken so much weight to balance and I had not gotten a little vibration/wobble when cold, I would have kept them. I drove them for 600 miles and Discount Tire took them back (full refund including mounting) without blinking an eye. I am sure they are good tires if you get a good set, but I think they have some inconsistency or quality control problems, like a lot of tires out there. They may have even settled in and I may have been completely happy with them in the long run, but I did not want to take the chance (I knew the longer I kept them the harder it would be to take them back if they went south). YMMV.
By the way, I was going to buy Michelin AT2, but none of the Discount Tires stores in my area had them in the P load rating, so I went with the tried and true MS2. I do mainly street driving (99%).
By the way, I was going to buy Michelin AT2, but none of the Discount Tires stores in my area had them in the P load rating, so I went with the tried and true MS2. I do mainly street driving (99%).
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DannyLlama
Elite Member
For anyone else reading this and getting skured.. Similar thing happened to me. I just went back to firestone multiple times until they got it right... Now that it's in their system, its right every time
Just sayin
For anyone else reading this and getting skured.. Similar thing happened to me. I just went back to firestone multiple times until they got it right... Now that it's in their system, its right every time
Just sayin
If Discount Tire would have stocked the tire, I would have made them exchange them for another set to see if they could get some that balanced better (less weight), but they special ordered them for me so that was not an option. That is another problem with special ordering a tire--if one or more is bad, you cannot quickly replace it with another on the fly when they are being put on your car.
From my experience and from what I have seen from others, if a tire is having problems when new (balance, etc.), often times (not always) you will have problems with those tires for a long as you own them and it is best to dump them before you get stuck with them. That is the rule of thumb I went with.
If I was putting these on an old truck or old jeep or something, they probably would have been fine, but I want my brand new 2014 Trail to be super smooth like it came from the factory. I don't want to feel vibrations and slight wobbles, etc.
T4Ranger
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I picked up a set of Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX 265/70/17s on Saturday, had them installed via Merchant's Tire, buy 2 get 2 free, hell of a deal with warranty's on all 4 and free alignment for 5 yrs... now just dealing with the manager about my wheel that got scratched in the process... as for the tires I like them so far, but am sometimes second guessing myself as to whether or not I should've gone with 285s... either way my stock Bridgestone Dueler HTs 265/70/17 are up for grabs, pm me if interested.
