Authenticity of eBay timing belt kits

[NissanTechJake]

Ok, Manufacturing 101, no this isn't speculation, this is how things Actually work.

A part is designed, machines are setup to make the individual pieces of those parts, more to assemble into the "final". Despite the best efforts of all parties, raw materials have a slight variance, machines wear and start offering up parts that have slight variance in tolerances. Toyota (and other top tier buyers) will order exacting tolerances, the best that can be produced with the best of raw materials and all manufacturing tools in perfect/new condition. Parts are tested against those exacting standards, anything that doesn't meet them is discarded (though, it's more like 1 in 1,000 are tested, that range can vary depending on how much the buyer wants to spend).

It's worth understanding that Toyota may be buying 2nd tier bearing behind the military/aerospace industry... or 3rd tier. Just as Kia may be buying/installing that same bearing that Toyota passed on (with their 10 year/100k mile warranty). A lot of the additional cost comes from the additional testing done, some from being given priority to have first (or second, or third) pick. More for having to cover the different packaging/labeling costs and yet more to cover transportation and storage on Toyota's end.

The bottom line is that all of those manufactures have reject parts that are on the bleeding edge of being rejected and opt to recoup some cost by selling them rather than scrapping them. These same companies stand to lose their big contracts if their name is sullied in the selling off of extras (and there May be a clause in the contract that states the parts must meet XYZ standards). You really have no reason to fear buying fro the OEM manufacture, and the costs are lower simply because there are fewer costs associated. Sure, you're likely getting a part that's only 99% as good as a Toyota OEM, but when those same parts have an engineering margin of ~10% you're well within the realm of safety.

I've used various ebay timing belt sellers for years, running them to 90% of their rated life (so 90k miles on 100k mile recommended intervals ~ just my own personal margin of error).

Thanks for your explanation, but I’m not sure how that translates to my original point.

Do you have any data to support that different materials or tolerances are required by toyota then NOK? Or another party? If anyone understands dealer mark up it’s ME. Price does not always signify better quality with all OEM parts. I almost always use OEM parts but I am NOT against buying off labeled products from the SAME manufacturers that produce our parts. I haven’t had any issues recommending them in the past. Hitachi, denso, Bosch are all good examples from a electronic standpoint.

Hope that makes more sense as to my original point I was trying to get across.

 

[nissanh]

OP:
If you can afford OEM parts from the dealer (all parts in toyota boxes) then you can drive easy 150K miles without any issues. If you buy Aisin kit or Kabinairmen's kit, stick to 100K miles. The oil seals in cabin airmen's kit is surely not oem or NOK.


Like someone said ealier in this thread Toyota spends millions of $$ for R$D and they specify their suppliers (Mainly DENSO and AISIN) to get things into their specifications.

Honda also uses DENSO alternators (My cousin had to replace the OEM alternator on his 2011 pilot at 100K miles: complete failure), while my 4Runner has 214K, 2000 LC has 237K miles, 92 Corolla 278K miles and 1990 hilux 250K miles and all got OEM alternators with new brush kits (except 4R): This tells R&D of Toyota and their quality.

 

[JohnMc]

When I did my TB/WP on my 4Runner, I initially had the *bright* idea of saving a few bucks over Airbcabinman's prices on eBay by getting a kit that said it had 'genuine OEM parts'. It repeated that several times. Got it, Jenn-you-wine Oh Ee Em parts! So I ordered them, and when I got it... all the parts were in plain white boxes with 'OEM' printed on them. As in the brand name was 'OEM'. LOL, real good one. Got me. Lol. I immediately requested a return, they refunded 100% of my money, I was just out ~12$ return shipping.

Yeah, ordered an Aircabinman kit after that, all the parts seem to be genuine, as described, top notch quality. I think I've used his kits 3 times so far (some non-4Runner V6 Toyota's in the extended family fleet), my wife's put 2 of his kits on her '96.

 

[Alpine95]

Back to the original question...aircabinman on ebay sells a kit that includes OEM parts. He also sells a kit that's not all OEM - if you're unsure, just message him and he'll point you in the right direction. The full OEM kit doesn't cost much more.

Just purchased and installed for my 02 and it's legit.

 

[RumHam26]

Thanks everyone - I found the discussion helpful. I think I'm going to go with aircabinman's OEM kit. Only other thing I'll need is the crank pully bolt right?

 

[weekendclimber]

Thanks everyone - I found the discussion helpful. I think I'm going to go with aircabinman's OEM kit. Only other thing I'll need is the crank pully bolt right?

Yes, you'll want a new crank pulley bolt. I also replaced all the felt gasket material on the timing covers. I've been accused of having OCD too, so there's that.

 

[RumHam26]

Yes, you'll want a new crank pulley bolt. I also replaced all the felt gasket material on the timing covers. I've been accused of having OCD too, so there's that.

I've been accused of the same - so I'd love more info. I've never done this job - where can I get the felt gasket material you speak of?

 

[weekendclimber]

I've been accused of the same - so I'd love more info. I've never done this job - where can I get the felt gasket material you speak of?

Timing Cover #1: 11328-20020
Timing Cover #2: 11329-20010
Timing Cover #3: 11319-20010

TOYOTA 4RUNNERVZN185L-GKPGKA - TOOL-ENGINE-FUEL - TIMING GEAR COVER REAR END PLATE | Japan Parts EU

 

[19963.4lsr5]

I’ve bought three kits from “The Timing Belt Kit company” over the last 5 years and have been happy.


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[eanema]

To the OP, I just did my timing belt this past weekend and dispite being pretty careful I somehow managed to break a tooth off the crank timing pulley that is picked up by the crankshaft position sensor. The engine would start and then die a second later. I found this thread:
engine starts, immediate stall after timing belt job

Just wanted to give you a heads up, don't do what I did .. now I'm stuck waiting for parts to arrive haha

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[RumHam26]

The aircabinman OEM kit just came in. It looks pretty much as described for the most part. The camshaft seals come in an unmarked bag as noted in the item description - water pump gasket and thermo gasket were unmarked as well (Aisin). The A/C belt came marked bando/denso/made in USA, the PS belt was marked mitsuboshi, and the alternator belt was marked Toyota. The rest of it was just as described. Thanks for all the tips. Now to attempt an install.

 

[ads2539]

Don’t click on the spammer’s link - malware!

 

[Endlessblockades]

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You suck.

 

[diverscale]

I'm looking to buy an OEM timing belt kit from one of the sellers on eBay. It seems there are a few sellers with a decent amount of reviews that claim to use all OEM parts.

A guy recently told me to watch out for sellers that put cheap aftermarket parts in OEM boxes. So my question is - is there any way to confirm the authenticity of the parts in these timing belt kits. Are there any sellers you recommend?

Thanks!

just to add to the others,

When I did mine like 4-5 years ago, I got it on ebay and just searched for a very highly reviewed seller, with top credentials, and that toyota OEM kit was for sure not the cheapest but a good price. I obviously don't even remember who it was.

When the kit arrived, it was as on the seller'S description, all toyota OEM parts, and that kit is installed and now near the end of it's recommended maintenance of 100K miles end of life, no problem. Will do the same this winter/spring when I replace it again.

 

[giguchan]

I'm all about saving money... but there HAS to be a reason the same parts from Toyota are $700 and the kit from Ebay is $300.

Question.. if you don't have the Know how, room, proper tools to do this job and you go to a dealer( or an indie shop) with your box of Ebay Goodies will they do the Job? or send you packing? Obviously there wont be a warrantee on the parts.

 

[giguchan]

Don’t click on the spammer’s link - malware!

where's that?

 

[JohnMc]

where's that?

The spam post was deleted. Someone quoted it right below the post you quoted (MsIbuki).

 

[giguchan]

Ok fine...
Knowing me I'd be the one to click on it. My AV is pretty good so i think it would warn me when i do something stupid.

 

[2003V8LTD]

I purchased a timing belt kit for my V8 on eBay from jdmpartsman714. You get, for $446.20 including shipping:

AISIN WATER PUMP w/GASKET WPT800
KP WATER OUTLET GASKET 16341-50020
AISIN/ FOR TOYOTA SILICONE GLUE SEALANT
MITSUBOSHI TIMING BELT TB298
KOYO TENSIONER 13505-50030
KOYO IDLER TENSIONER 13503-50011
NTN HYDRAULIC TENSIONER 13540-50030
THO 2 CAMSHAFT SEALS 90311-38065
THO CRANKSHAFT SEAL 90311 - 43006/ 90311-A0001
BANDO/MITSUBOSHI SERPENTINE/DRIVE BELT 6PK2240
TAMA NTCL THERMOSTAT 90916-03100/ WV64TA-82A
THO THERMOSTAT GASKET 16346-50010
TOYOTA GENUINE COOLANT
GATES UPPER HOSE 22831
GATES LOWER HOSE 22832

I received this stuff and delivered it to my mechanic and he was pretty stunned at the quality of the parts in the kit. It even includes bolts. He charged me $403.73 to install all this stuff. Seems to work perfectly so far. The car has 109k miles and as such was clearly overdue for its first belt change.

I'm looking to buy an OEM timing belt kit from one of the sellers on eBay. It seems there are a few sellers with a decent amount of reviews that claim to use all OEM parts.

A guy recently told me to watch out for sellers that put cheap aftermarket parts in OEM boxes. So my question is - is there any way to confirm the authenticity of the parts in these timing belt kits. Are there any sellers you recommend?

Thanks!

 

[brillo_76]

I have used 3 of aircabinman oem kits with no issue. They are actual oem parts or oem mfg parts depending in the kit you get. As far as I know they are the best kits out three.

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