But the vagueness can cause people to not participate, which normally is the case for me, because I don't like to back out of things if I don't feel that the deal is worth me spending my hard earned money. To be honest the vagueness feels like a power trip.... I am currently on the list but if it only ends up being a 10% discount it won't be worth it for me to follow through. It looks bad when I or others say we want to participate, then if we find out the deal isn't as good as it is made out to sound then it shouldn't be a surprise when some people back out. I'm not stating my opinion on this to cause problems, but to be honest I am getting frustrated with not knowing how much I might be committing to. Also with 20 people on the list currently, we should be able to get a fairly good idea on pricing.