BFG A/T KO???
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CannondaleMan
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If you are looking for a good off road tire but have a mild cardiac event at paying $200 a tire, take a look at the General Grabber AT2 .
I just saw them up close yesterday at a tire shop. Freaking sick looking tire with a similar tread design to the ATs. I was quoted a price about $120 a tire.
I just saw them up close yesterday at a tire shop. Freaking sick looking tire with a similar tread design to the ATs. I was quoted a price about $120 a tire.
RonMAIDEN
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Both Nittos and BFGs are a bit much for primarily pavement and seeing a lot of miles on it;the Yok HT-S are pretty solid and my mom has them on her '99 and she really likes them.
I agree with Thai that if you off road alot and pavement performance isn't a concern the nod has to go to the BFGs.
I'm partial to the Nittos since they perform very well for an A/T tire in the wet and the dry and they handle the trails I throw at them and they have alot of bang for the buck.
I agree with Thai that if you off road alot and pavement performance isn't a concern the nod has to go to the BFGs.
I'm partial to the Nittos since they perform very well for an A/T tire in the wet and the dry and they handle the trails I throw at them and they have alot of bang for the buck.
Muffin-Man
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The biggest downside to BFG ATs, besides the price is BFGoodrich is owned by michelin, which is a French company.
Chalk Outline
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I went with the BFG A/Ts for their off-road capability and do like them. For more road oriented A/T I'd look at the Toyo A/T and Michelin LTX A/T. Had the Michelins on my last SUV and got over 90K out of them, including off-roading in the Sierras and Death Valley.
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Thai
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How much are the BFG AT KO's in your area?? Since you're in the winter states, i would stick with BFG AT KO because it is one of the rare AT tire that has the snowflake symbol. The other popular AT tire with this snowflake symbol is Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor...another good choice for YOUR needs. It is less aggressive than BFG AT KO (thus, more forgiving on the highway), but is pretty good off-road for an AT tire.
Agree with the majority.
BFG are great tires for up to medium off roading. I had good expereince in the snow. It carries the snow flake symbol. Good in the slop, but it is not a true mudder. It is quite acceptable in street use, but it is not a great street tire. BUT....and it's a big BUT....you will get fabulously long life out of them. They will last 70-100k miles.
Of course, the last 30k will be somewhat noisy, rumbles, and you start losing grip in wet and snow conditiosn as the tread wears down.
If you want a LT C tire for 265/70/17, there is not much out there. If you want an LT C with tested snow and wet capability as endorsed with a snow flake symbol, there is even fewer tires to select from.
As much as I like them, I can't wait for the mto wear out. I've gotten 52k out of them and I still have 10/32 on the treads! Will sonsider teh Goodyear SA or the LEs Schwab Wild Country XTX Sports or Cooper ATR--all in Lt C grade.
BFG are great tires for up to medium off roading. I had good expereince in the snow. It carries the snow flake symbol. Good in the slop, but it is not a true mudder. It is quite acceptable in street use, but it is not a great street tire. BUT....and it's a big BUT....you will get fabulously long life out of them. They will last 70-100k miles.
Of course, the last 30k will be somewhat noisy, rumbles, and you start losing grip in wet and snow conditiosn as the tread wears down.
If you want a LT C tire for 265/70/17, there is not much out there. If you want an LT C with tested snow and wet capability as endorsed with a snow flake symbol, there is even fewer tires to select from.
As much as I like them, I can't wait for the mto wear out. I've gotten 52k out of them and I still have 10/32 on the treads! Will sonsider teh Goodyear SA or the LEs Schwab Wild Country XTX Sports or Cooper ATR--all in Lt C grade.
I just updated my profile to display that I'm from Waukesha, Wisconsin. I made due the past two winters with the stockers on, but I am looking for a tire to give me more off road freedom, and piece of mind. I recently purchased a 3 acre lot that I'd like to be able to explore freely with the 4R. We have also been frequenting a property up on Washington Island, which takes a bit of off roading just to get to.
I'm leaning towards the General Grabber AT2s right now, but I'm still open to opinions.
Thanks.
Ben
I'm leaning towards the General Grabber AT2s right now, but I'm still open to opinions.
Thanks.
Ben
Thai
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Falls said:
But, a snowflake symbol is icing on the cake for the BFG AT KO. BFG AT KO seems to satisfy Benk's requirements and he can be assured that it won't turn into glazed dounuts in snow!
Basically, the symbol assures that it won't suck in snow...will it be the best?? Probably not, but it won't be the worst. That is why i am a fan of the symbol.CannondaleMan
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However, the General Grabber AT2 has teh Mountain & snow symbol for most sizes as well......
Plus it can be 2/3 the price of the BKGs
Plus it is not owned by a French company..........Freaking Frogs.
Plus the Generals appear to have a better warranty for tread life, although the tires are covered for 2 years less on workmanship.....Problem being that many things I have read have stated that tires should not be driven for more than 5 years due to oxidation and natural compound breakdown.
Plus it can be 2/3 the price of the BKGs
Plus it is not owned by a French company..........Freaking Frogs.
Plus the Generals appear to have a better warranty for tread life, although the tires are covered for 2 years less on workmanship.....Problem being that many things I have read have stated that tires should not be driven for more than 5 years due to oxidation and natural compound breakdown.
CannondaleMan
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Thai said:Cool that the General has the snowflake symbol...but what is this about the 5-year limit?!! I have never heard of that on any other tire (cheap or expensive)!
I have read many articles in automotive magazines, and I dare say in Consumer Reports (but won't swear to that one) that the rubber compounds break down due to the oxidation process.
I do believe much of it is preventive since after 5 years (or so) I have noticed that many of my own tires have developed a fair amount of cracking throughout. Noticed the cracking at the rim mounting, treads, tops of the sidewalls. These are on Michelins (before I knew they were French
- still cannot get over that on sorry!) Yokohamas, Bridgestones......I mountain bike a lot as well and have noticed the same breakdown on these tires. Granted the rubber compound is not as aggressive or strong, but it happens within about 2 years or so on these tires.
Not trying to compare the two tires, just mentioning that the rubber will naturally breakdown. Thus, it leads to potential badness.
I wish I could recall the articles. I know that I have read this at least a half dozen times that clearly come to mind. If I can research it more then I will. Might have some time later tonight or tomorrow.
Thai
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CannondaleMan said:I do believe much of it is preventive since after 5 years (or so) I have noticed that many of my own tires have developed a fair amount of cracking throughout. Noticed the cracking at the rim mounting, treads, tops of the sidewalls. These are on Michelins (before I knew they were French
Thus, it leads to potential badness.
Holy shit...did not know that! Mental note: change tires before 5 years. Damn it, i was hoping that i could get more than 5 years on my wife's new Michelin CrossTerrains for the Highlander!
I am with you on the French thing...this was partly why i went with Firestone Destination M/T on my SUV...but damn it, Michelin and BFG make such high quality tires!
