BFG All-Terrain T/A KO2 went on sale today

[sm4r]

The new KO2s went on sale this morning. I haven't seen them listed anywhere but the BFG site yet.

Hard to say how their recommended retail pricing will translate to the actual market. Interestingly enough, they quote a lower price on the KO2s relative to the original KOs ($279 vs $306 for E-rated tires | $265 VS $277 for the C-rated tires).

My stock tires just rolled over 55K. I'll probably snag a set sometime soon. Anyone else shopping these tires?

All-Terrain T/A KO2 | BFGoodrich Tires

 

[Vegas Island]

I'm seriously considering these myself. I may have them in about a month when I get my lift.

 

[03_4x4Runner]

If the price is reasonable and 265/70/17 is available I am ordering a set as soon as possible. I just got my new takeoff 17" rims last week to put them on. I am going to use my stock 20" 80% of the time and use these new tires only during off road season in Arizona.

Just looked at the website. They are not available until November 2014, may be to late for me. Off road season starts the middle of October around here. Maybe I will just hold out, I have not found another tire with 3 ply sidewalls that I want for in the rocks.

 

[gm350reratliff]

Figures. Just bought new wheels and tires (BFG KO) last weekend. No one at DT knew anything about the KO2. Oh well, these may end up on the 4th gen. Then I can do a side-by-side comparison for all of us here.

They do have a new size that kind of interests me, 34/10.50/17. I would have to lift my 4th gen more, body mount chop, and probably a body lift but it may be worth it.

 

[Stifler]

kind pricey

 

[jrandom]

Bah BFG's suck! j/k

Thanks for the info, if they live up to half the juice in the video it will be a good tire... as long as the price is nice

Mud-phobic bars

 

[Saker]

The new KO2s went on sale this morning. I haven't seen them listed anywhere but the BFG site yet.

Hard to say how their recommended retail pricing will translate to the actual market. Interestingly enough, they quote a lower price on the KO2s relative to the original KOs ($279 vs $306 for E-rated tires | $265 VS $277 for the C-rated tires).

My stock tires just rolled over 55K. I'll probably snag a set sometime soon. Anyone else shopping these tires?

All-Terrain T/A KO2 | BFGoodrich Tires

Website states: Coming November 2014


just sayin'

 

[sm4r]

Website states: Coming November 2014

Doh! Missed the banner. Thanks. Guess I'll be waiting a couple more months.

 

[birdmann]

I'd buy a set. If they were cheaper. For almost half the price a comparable tire from Cooper can be had. Don't get me wrong I love the bfg a/t I've had a couple sets. They wear like iron and will get you through some shit. I just can't justify their cost.

 

[Plano26]

..... I am going to use my stock 20" 80% of the time and use these new tires only during off road season in Arizona.

AZ Off-Road Season = Year round!

 

[nevada]

youch! $360 per tire for 35's!

I just paid $445 per tire SHIPPED for my 42's.
$360 for 35's is crazy expensive.

 

[03_4x4Runner]

AZ Off-Road Season = Year round!

True if you go to Flagstaff or the White mountains. You are tougher than me if you go out in the 110 degree heat in Lake Havasu city.

 

[JMG73072]

I bought a set of 275/65/20 (34's) over the weekend because I prefer the old look myself and they are great tires.

 

[Plano26]

True if you go to Flagstaff or the White mountains. You are tougher than me if you go out in the 110 degree heat in Lake Havasu city.

I Definitely head north in the Summer (been going on some great runs in the Prescott area with a club up there) and stay south in the winter...best of both worlds! Luv the Desert.

 

[SigSense]

I'd buy a set. If they were cheaper.

This. BFG makes a great tire but your wallet be empty after the purchase.

 

[ben550]

This. BFG makes a great tire but your wallet be empty after the purchase.

I'm sure they make a great tire but save your money and delay the purchase till your current tires need replacing... that way you won't waste money and you will give some time for others to "test" the new design...

 

[STX4Runner]

These are spendy. I looked at my receipt and I paid $233 per tire for 265 70 R17 load range C in May 2012. Factoring in 2.5% annual inflation for 2.5 years these should cost about $247/tire in late 2014. I also see on Tire Rack you can get the 265s load range C for $213/tire right now. I guess BFG is impressed with the new technology and/or R&D that went into these. When I am due for new tires, I will keep them in mind and see if Discount or the internet has a better deal than BFGs msrp.

 

[Martinjmpr]

This will most likely be my next tire.

Note that according to the BFG web site the "old" KO no longer bears the "severe" weather "snowflake" logo (the KO's that I had on my '99 T4R did, but I don't know how old they were.) They were pretty awesome in the snow. Actually, they were pretty awesome everywhere.

According to BFG the KO2 DOES bear the "snowflake" symbol and is rated for snow/ice. Since I live in CO and the 4runner is our family "lifeline" in severe weather (wife drives a Nissan Altima) I have to have a tire that's good in the snow.

I replaced the BFGs on my '99 with a set of Hankook Dynapros for about $50 less per tire in the Spring of 2012. A few months later, I sold the 4runner so I could get a 4th gen. Never really put the Dynapros to the test.

Thing is, in 2013 I was on a long desert trip with a guy who had the dynapros and he had two catastrophic failures in less than 4 days. These tires just came apart. I don't know if he hit a rock with his sidewall, or if he wasn't aired down enough, or if his tires were old, or maybe just a bad batch. All I know is that from the time he felt the truck (Ranger) go "squirrely" to the time he stopped the truck - probably less than a minute - the sidewalls just disintegrated.

That kind of made me think hard about the value of "cheap" tires. A cheap tire is great - right up until it fails. Then it sucks.

And when you are in the middle of Nevada like we were, on a Sunday, and the nearest tire shop is over 100 miles away, and it's a holiday weekend (memorial day) then it sucks really, really hard. : This guy was lucky - there was another Ford Ranger in the group and he was able to borrow a spare to get him to Bishop, CA. If he had been by himself it would have been a different story.

I actually calculated the difference between a cheaper Cooper tire (AT3) vs a BFG. Came out to ~$200 for 4 tires. Not cheap, by any means, but I then calculated that if I get 3.5 years out of a set of tires the difference comes out to between $50 and $60/year. That's $5/month.

Would you pay $5/month to have a superior tire? I would. :

I'm guessing that Discount will sell these cheaper than the MSRP. Currently the C-range KO in 265/70/17 (for my FJC steel rims) runs $212 and the E-range runs $242. According the website the MSRP of the C-range is $265 and for the E range is $279.

BFG's MSRP for the current KO for the same size is listed as $277 (c) and $306 (e) so it's reasonable to assume that Discount Tire will offer a similar price for the KO2 that they do for the KO - maybe bump to $220 for the C's and $250 for the E's. That would mean $880 for C's and $1000 for E's - on the high side, yes, but still reasonable.

 

[1engineer]

This will most likely be my next tire.

Note that according to the BFG web site the "old" KO no longer bears the "severe" weather "snowflake" logo (the KO's that I had on my '99 T4R did, but I don't know how old they were.) They were pretty awesome in the snow. Actually, they were pretty awesome everywhere.

According to BFG the KO2 DOES bear the "snowflake" symbol and is rated for snow/ice. Since I live in CO and the 4runner is our family "lifeline" in severe weather (wife drives a Nissan Altima) I have to have a tire that's good in the snow.

I replaced the BFGs on my '99 with a set of Hankook Dynapros for about $50 less per tire in the Spring of 2012. A few months later, I sold the 4runner so I could get a 4th gen. Never really put the Dynapros to the test.

Thing is, in 2013 I was on a long desert trip with a guy who had the dynapros and he had two catastrophic failures in less than 4 days. These tires just came apart. I don't know if he hit a rock with his sidewall, or if he wasn't aired down enough, or if his tires were old, or maybe just a bad batch. All I know is that from the time he felt the truck (Ranger) go "squirrely" to the time he stopped the truck - probably less than a minute - the sidewalls just disintegrated.

That kind of made me think hard about the value of "cheap" tires. A cheap tire is great - right up until it fails. Then it sucks.

And when you are in the middle of Nevada like we were, on a Sunday, and the nearest tire shop is over 100 miles away, and it's a holiday weekend (memorial day) then it sucks really, really hard. : This guy was lucky - there was another Ford Ranger in the group and he was able to borrow a spare to get him to Bishop, CA. If he had been by himself it would have been a different story.

I actually calculated the difference between a cheaper Cooper tire (AT3) vs a BFG. Came out to ~$200 for 4 tires. Not cheap, by any means, but I then calculated that if I get 3.5 years out of a set of tires the difference comes out to between $50 and $60/year. That's $5/month.

Would you pay $5/month to have a superior tire? I would. :

My friend, if in fact you could PROVE they are indeed superior then I would agree. Unfortunately, your own meager experiences do not qualify as proof. Now, if you could find 1,000 people or so that had the same experience as you then you would have a compelling case. Price is never a good indicator of quality. Price is purely a function of supply and demand. Does BFG use superior or different materials in their tires? No. Do they have more sipes or better compounds? You can't answer that because you, nor I, have any idea other than the "look" of the tire and the gimmicky advertising BFG spends millions on. Cooper and several other brands are good tires and they don't have to recoup the advertising budget BFG does. This new tire might be the greatest tire ever. I do know their old tire was good for some applications and terrible in others. The internet is full of stories about that.
So, when you offer me proof that BFG is a superior tire then I will be happy to pay $50-75 more per tire. Until then, I will just run the good cheap tires.

 

[Martinjmpr]

So, when you offer me proof that BFG is a superior tire then I will be happy to pay $50-75 more per tire. Until then, I will just run the good cheap tires.

Such proof doesn't exist (nor could it exist - too many variables and too many subjective definitions of what constitutes "superior.")

Hey, you can buy recap tires cheap, too. And there are lots of folks on the intertubes who will swear up and down that they've never had a problem with their recaps.

It may be that the only reason you see so many people running BFG's out here in the West (and there are a LOT of them) is because we're all suffering some mass delusion.

Or it could be because when people run a different tire they have problems. Cheap tires are cheap for a reason.

It's all about risk - how much are you willing to take? :shrug: