BFG AT KO's VS. Bridgestone Dueler AT "REVO"

[Boaz]

Im on the fence here... my mind changes everyday. I cannot pick which tire to buy. Im torn between the BFG AT KO's and the Revos. I have seen alot of good feed back about both brands. Please post up why you chose either the BFG's or the Revos. Help convice me which tire is better. PLease!

 

[Thai]

What are planning to do with these tires?? How much off-roading are you planning to do??

 

[Boaz]

honestly, not much, maybe a few times year, dip off in a mud hole, or just through some sloppy areas. This truck will see snow during the winter also.

 

[Hitman]

I've read a few Revo owners complaining that the tires aren't so great in snow.... is this true?

What about the BFG A/T? Good in the snow, or not?

 

[94yotarunner]

I have the REVOS and they did well in the snow.

It was my first winter up here, so the first time driving in snow, and the first time using my truck in the winter, and in snow, obviously.
So I felt the need to mess around, learn its limits, the breaking point of traction, etc.

I really had to down shift and accelerate to get them off their grip or brake out of nowhere, and even then I gained traction in a matter of a second. I never felt unsafe with them at all.

 

[RICK]

revo's all the way,i've had cross terrains and they were good but the revo is far superior in the snow.i went through 10 inches of unplowed snow on a highway and it didn't slip or lose grip at speeds near 50. wet roads are a breeze.these are by far my best set of tires ever. wear seems good also,i have 12500 miles and no noticable wear .unless u need a heavy sidewall for hard trails this is THE tire. the ko's are good but very stiff and a hard bouncy ride from what ive been told by friends.

 

[Gryphon]

I am getting the BFG's myself.

At least in my neck of the woods, they are cheaper, offer as good a warranty as anyone else, give decent wear, good on and off road traction and are severe weather rated.

The rating is a huge consideration for me as this is the rig my wife and kids cruise around in. Myself, I would go for BFG MT's or something similar, but I like to grab mud once in a while too, and the AT's are not that great in nasty goop I hear...but then neither of these tires are designed for that.

 

[BlkSS1755]

my Revo's are great.. havent got stuck in snow yet. i think they are much better than my dunlops.

 

[Bobby]

I'm in the same position and I'm leaning towards the BFG AT KOs because I plan on doing some off-roading. They cost a bit more but they're a much stronger tire and I've heard people get 70k miles out of them.

The Dunlops aren't too bad when new though. I went up to Killington and it dumped 12" and I didn't get stuck or slipped unless I wanted them to. I also drove in a parking lot with about 10" of snow with some deeper drifts and they were fine. From what I hear, they suck after about 15k miles. I have about 4300 miles on mine now so I have a few months to go.

 

[bulldog-yota]

why dont you see if you can get 2 runners of similar year, etc in your neck of the woods. one with revos and the other bfg and then see which one you like best. i bet after this test you will get the revos, but then again i might be baised

seriously see if you can test both on a 4runner similar to yours and then decide. compare traction(dry, snow/ice, wet), noise and offroad capability for your use.

great way to organise a meet and some driving

 

[vandert]

I've had two sets of BFG AT's

But mine were both before they made the improvements with the KO, with changed the tread a little for better wear characteristics and added a "rim" protector to the sidewall.

My first set I had 62,000 on with tread left, 2nd I sold the truck.

T

 

[koi]

Re: I've had two sets of BFG AT's

Had BFG MT's & on my surf & pick up, great for mud etc but as I recall reading somewhere tread was to aggresive for snow.
the MT's clear the treads well of mud etc but in the snow AT's will be better as you want the snow to fill in the treads so its snow sticking to snow which gives you better grip.
I read that on an off road site haven't had chance to put it to the test.
AT's soon to be fitted to my Runner

 

[Bluto]

BFG KOs. 265/70/17.

I want the 3 ply sidewalls for strength and towing.

I'm in the city a lot, curbs are hard on tires.

The Revo is probably a safer 'on the road' tire when it comes to handling, wet traction, and braking. I drive very conservatively (in the slow lane), so the KOs are fine with me.

 

[HuntRunner]

Without going to a M/T.....

If you were going to choose between the two, based only on which one does better in the mud, which one would you you pick? Which one cleans out better?

 

[ToyotaDoodz]

I'm not going to tell you to "buy brand X, it's the best in the world" blah, blah. I hate it when you read those responses and no reasons are given. I'll try to tell you why I chose what I did and why. Both the BFG AT's and the Revos are good tires.

I'm running the BFG's in 265/70R17, and these are my second set on two different 4Runners. I was going to try the Revos this time but after thinking about it and after everything I'd read on several forums, I decided to go with the BFG's again. Why?

I chose them for the specific type of driving I do most. Mine is a daily driver. I need to retain some street performance and civility with real performance off road. It's the off road part that determined which I chose. I run the trails in Colorado and New Mexico a lot. The trials are very rocky and the rock in the high passes is razor sharp scree. I run these trails aired down for ride comfort and traction. I also run trials in other states that go from talcum powder dry clay to wet clay but no mud bogs.

Knowing that, I chose the BFG because it has the square tread corner (tread protectors) which helps protect the sidewall better. It's rated LT which is a sturdier tire. The sidewall is a three ply thickness and there is a rim protector build in. That's important with alloy wheels that break instead of bending. It's made to run off road aired down. The BFG's have better tread sipping built in and that makes a big difference on glazed ice. They qualify for the "severe snow" rating. I've had them in 13" of loose powder on trails at the Grand Canyon rim and they were wonderful.

I can't say for sure since I've not run the Revos but I'd suspect the squared off corners (tread protectors) will help more in mud since there is more of a lug design. (No AT type tire is going to do great in mud because the tread voids are not wide enough to be self cleaning.) I can say the BFG does pretty good in sticky clay mud around Sedona, AZ, OK, and AR. I'm only talking about 1" - 3" deep, not mud bogs.

Tread wear was one of my big issues being a daily driver. The BFG's wear like iron. Some posts by Revo users report ~40K while the BFG's go much higher. Yes, the BFG's cost more but you're getting a lot more tread life. Again the tread sipping is helping that. Sipping dissipates heat. Cooler tires wear less.

Lastly, side by side, I like the "looks" of the BFG over the Revo.

These are the main things that swung me to the BFG. I hope this helps.

AT tires are ALL about compromises. You need to find one that suits most of the types of driving you do.

 

[HuntRunner]

Good post Doodz.....Looks like you and I have been in some of the same general areas (OK and AR).
I need an A/T because of daily driving, but the terrain can be so diverse around here; from rocky fire roads up in the hills to river bottom mud! I have had the Duelers in the past (non REVO) and they were good, but I am really leaning towards the BFG's this time.

 

[ToyotaDoodz]

Thanks! I drive about 50 miles round trip every day to work so on road handling is important also.

I did separate Arizona and Colorado trips when my OEM Dunlop AT-20's were new and they pretty good traction wise but the rocks beat them to death. The word AT in the name is just part of the name. The sidewalls came back in terrible shape. The tread does not wrap around up onto the sidewalls far enough to give any protection. The razor sharp scree in the high CO passes was very tough on them and I wasn't getting off track or doing anything rough. I've never had those issues with the BFG.

The Goodyear Wranglers that came on my 3rd GEN were exactly the same way.

 

[Bobby]

I think the reason Toyota chose the AT20s for the SE was because it has more traction than other AT tires and better for a "sport" model. You can't compare UTQG (uniform tire quality grade) ratings between manufacturers even though its supposed to be "uniform" (sometimes not even btwn tire models from the same manufacturer) but the AT20 is rated at 300 while the BFG and Revos are rated at 500. The tire compound is softer to grip better so they won't last 50k miles but handling-wise, they're better in the corners than BFG and Revos.

Since I don't drive all that aggressively in my 4runner, I'd much rather have a good AT tire like the BFGs even for everyday driving.

 

[bulldog-yota]

I think the reason Toyota chose the AT20s for the SE was because it has more traction than other AT tires and better for a "sport" model. You can't compare UTQG (uniform tire quality grade) ratings between manufacturers even though its supposed to be "uniform" (sometimes not even btwn tire models from the same manufacturer) but the AT20 is rated at 300 while the BFG and Revos are rated at 500. The tire compound is softer to grip better so they won't last 50k miles but handling-wise, they're better in the corners than BFG and Revos.

Since I don't drive all that aggressively in my 4runner, I'd much rather have a good AT tire like the BFGs even for everyday driving.

The onroad grip from my Revos are better than the Dunlop AT20s I had. I think the Dunlops are just cheap, really crappy tires.

One thing is that with real A/T tires they are more noisy and will drop you gas mileage compared to highway tires, like the DUnlops and Michelins, even the Bridgestones that come OEM.

 

[bulldog-yota]

Another thing to note is that Revos DO NOT come in LT on 17" wheels, only the 16" sizes come with LT ratings.

That said, I have done quite a bit of rock now with my P rated Revos and never had an issue.

Then again if you are a true rock junky, just get the MT/R and live with them.

I like the more chunky look of the BFG thread blocks on the side, it seems like it will protect the wheel more on rocks than Revos. However their on road grip seems to be lacking compared to Revos, also the ratings people give for snow and ice the Revos have the upper hand. As to Mud, carefully look at the thread pattern and you will see why Revos will clean better than the BFGs in mud. I have seen guys battle with the TA KOs in mud areas where I had no issue with my Revos. (then again it was my 4R vs other types of vehcisl incluing older 4Rs)

Wear I think the BFGs will last longer as they seem to have a harder compound than the Revos, expalin the better grip for onroad for the Revos. SO you have to pick your poisen, can't have it both ways. I have 13km miles on Revos and it hardly looks like they have any wear, but I dont know how many miles they will really give. I seriously doubt it will beat the BFGs.

The best way fr you to decide which tire will be best for you is to try and get an apples for apples comparison and experience it yourself, i.e. get 2 4R 4th gen one with BFGs one with Revos (obviously same size) and the drive them on road and off road inc onditions you care about and then decide.

As to tires everybody will have their own opinion.

Doodz, pity you are in CO, otherwise we could go wheel together and provide objective feedback ona side by side comparison. Trying to do it over the net, just doesnt work