Black798's 98 limited build thread

[Black798]

So I did end up getting the truck done in time to make my Moab Trip, at least sort of. By some miracle RCV shipped my axle shafts out of the blue and they got here just in time to get the front end buttoned up the day before we were leaving. So with absolutely zero test time I drove the 4runner out of the garage, did a quick flex test, washed it and loaded it up on the trailer. I figured if it wasn't going to work Id rather wrench on it in Moab than here at this point.

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First time out of the garage in over 8 months and even though it was running like absolute garage on the base tune I had loaded in the haltech it was a damn good feeling.

We got into Moab super late the next day and camped south of town. Woke up early and headed straight to the Oreilys since pretty much everyone in the group was under prepared in some aspect. I spent the entire day remaking my rear brake lines since I overlooked the sway bar contacting them at full flex. There really wasn't a good way to test this in the garage so I took a guess and obviously guessed wrong. I decided to just remove the rear sway bar as it was the fastest solution to the issue and freed me up to do other things. We did a quick alignment, got it off the trailer and then I spent the afternoon working on the tune because it had a nasty off idle stumble that made the truck pretty much undrivable because it would either stall or jerk so ad you had no control, not ideal for crawling lol.
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Got the tune sorted out well enough to drive it and the next day after some more tweaking with my coilovers we decided to run steel bender since it is right up the street from the house we rented.

Before we were even through the first obstacle I knew we were going to need to turn around. Without the rear swaybar to balance everything out the truck just wanted to lay over on its side which was making the smallest off camber sections feel like the 4runner was about to roll on its side. Add to that one of the 80 series popped a birf so we called it and headed back to the house. You can see here how tippy it was getting on the smallest things.

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That night We came up with a plan for how to get the rear swaybar back on the truck without putting my brake lines in danger again. We took the next morning to get the swaybar mounts built and welded on and after a bit of trial and error we had eveything good enough to go test again. We were trying to catch up with the rest of the group that had taken off to run steelbender again and in the exact same spot we had turned around the day before I broke one of the swaybar mounts and sheared yet another brake lines. Turn around and head back to the house and beef up the mounts and a few hours later we were out testing again. Again this time we got to the first main obstacle and yet again I broke the swaybar mounts just in a different spot. By this point Id come to the conclusion the rear swaybar was way too stiff because the rear end would hardly articulate and it was taking so much force to move it that the mounts just couldnt handle it. We headed back to the house again and went to get some bigger material from town so I could make another set of mounts for the bar and ghetto turn it down with a grinder to make it softer.

Even when it was broke this thing still looked damn cool.
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The next morning I was finally confident enough to drive the truck and we opted to run cliffhanger. I figured if the truck was going to break the swaybar system again it would be on the first obstacle so it would be easy enough to recover and get it back to the house. But thankfully the new mounts held up and we were able to run the whole trail without a single issue. This was the first time I had gotten to wheel the truck and holy shit this thing is like cheating. Between the crawlbox and lockers it just walked up every obstacle on the whole trail and felt incredibly planted doing it.
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So it took me half the trip, but I finally had a working wheeler and it was quickly living up to end exceeding all the expectations I had for it. There were a few little quirks but for a completely fresh build this was to be expected.

On the way back to the house that evening we made the quick trip up part of Moab Rim to run the main obstacles. The pressure switch on my compressor took a shit halfway up leaving me without lockers so I turned around after the first obstacle but was able to swap the switch that evening with someone else in the group.
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Next up Pritchett Canyon

 

[Black798]

The next day we got a super late start and hit the Pritchett Canyon trail head around noon. The trail is said to take 8 hours which is exactly what it took us. But that 8 hours doesnt include the 2+ hours of dirt road driving that it takes to get back to the highway from the mouth of the canyon. We really didnt have any dramas all day long, we all ended up winching a few times but I know with more seat time this truck is capable of driving that whole trail. I will say though Pritchett is one nasty trail and a ton of fun. The obstacles all have a ton of exposure and require some very creative lines to make them work. Axle hill especially will make you look at it and just go "no way in hell am I going to drive that". Its essentially a straight 8 foot climb that then slides you across a 3 foot off camber ledge and then into a second 2 foot ledge, all hanging right on the edge of a massive drop off.

Doing dumb things heading into the trail
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First major obstacle (Chewy Hill) I walked this one real easily after a few tries just to figure out the right line and where the truck needed to be. Pretty much every obstacle on Pritchett requires you to take these super weird diagonal lines up and across the obstacle to avoid the perfectly spaced ledges that will stop you dead if you try and just shoot straight up it.
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The two 4runners were just the right length to make this easily, but the two 80 series being 5" longer were just a tough too long to be able to clear the ledges and they ended up on a winch
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On the way to Rocker Knocker
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At this point my camera was dead and I havent gotten any of the pictures from everyone else of the last few obstacles that essentially are one after another in the last 300 yards of the trail. But I do have a ton of videos from us working our way through it that I will get uploaded. We ended up hitting the last 3 obstacles right as the sun went down so the rocks were getting super cold and traction was less than ideal so it kind of turned into a winch fest. But I will definitely be back to give it another shot once I have some more seat time and get the truck tuned in better. This is by far one of my favorite trails to date and the fact I jumped on the highway back to the house doing 75 with a perfectly straight steering wheel and no breakage made the sas totally worth it.

 

[thezentree]

That's how 3rd gens should have come from the factory. Awesome work.

 

[jefferson95]

Man, this kind of thread is so exciting/fun to read through. Huge props!

 

[DPenner]

First of all, I gotta say... Awesome work! Also I was wondering on you impressions of the turbo vs supercharger. I know you had some issues with your supercharger but for basically bolting it on vs the work you did to mount the turbo, was it worth it? I'm interested in adding boost, and I like the idea of a turbo, but the fab work looks intimidating.

 

[Black798]

The last day of wheeling we decided to run Kane Creek. Its definitely not a crazy hard trail but it is one of my favorites and the main obstacle, hamburger hill, and the exit at highway 191 are always changing so it keeps it interesting.

First major obstacle is the squeeze rock. There was a decent amount of trail reclamation here this last year due to some big washouts and we all were fairly certain that this rock got pushed out because the gap you have to go through seemed way easier to fit a 3rd gen through. For the solid axle guys in the group its a lot easier to just go straight over the rock.

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We made stupid good time getting to hamburger hill and then got stuck behind a group of rzrs that had blown up a front cv and didnt really understand that they could move the thing out of the way before tearing it apart so we spent a ton of time just sitting around. Once they were gone we cruised up pretty uneventfully
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That was pretty much a wrap for the moab trip. I sheared a brake line bumping it up one of the big ledges at the exit and then lost a brake caliper bolt up front so I ended up limping onto the trailer in town with one working brake but otherwise there were no major dramas. I havent had a chance to really start looking the truck over but so far it looks like there are just some small tweaks to make and a spring change in the rear and itll be ready to rock again.

 

[Black798]

First of all, I gotta say... Awesome work! Also I was wondering on you impressions of the turbo vs supercharger. I know you had some issues with your supercharger but for basically bolting it on vs the work you did to mount the turbo, was it worth it? I'm interested in adding boost, and I like the idea of a turbo, but the fab work looks intimidating.

The "issues" I had with the supercharger are just inherent with all of them and every truck I have driven. The supercharger itself is way undersized for this engine so no matter what you due its incredibly inefficient and makes a lot of heat. Even when they're wound up all the way up you'd be lucky to be breaking 300hp with it.

The turbo is a lot more work for sure, but there is no power comparison between the two setups. My truck dynoed at 270hp and 330 ftlbs on a terrible tune with a lot of room left to grow. As far as drivability with the supercharger I was barely able to run 70 on the highway with 35s and 5.29s. The turbo pushes the 37s with the same gear ratio at 75 like nothing. So for me the work was absolutely worth it. After running the supercharger and then removing it and seeing how little difference it made I would never run one again especially with how absurd the prices are getting for them.

 

[cdrewferd]

Fantastic update on the build! Looks like you got things dialed in pretty well with the SAS and turbo.

 

[Black798]

Fantastic update on the build! Looks like you got things dialed in pretty well with the SAS and turbo.

Yes and no. It functions as it is, but there's a ton of little gremlins I am chasing out of the steering and brakes currently. But I think by the end of summer it should be pretty dang ironed out

 

[Romeo1]

What a build, and to finally go wheel it must have been the best feeling. You were in Moab the same time we were. Wished I could have seen your 4runner in real life. It’s literally everything I dream of in mine. SAS, crawler gear, and turbo. Like said earlier, it’s how they should have come from the factory.

I really like how you kept the width down. I know everyone likes the big wide whatever’s on one tons…. But give me stock width. It’s the greatest feature of a 3rd gen is it’s skinny size.

Thank you so much for sharing! Reading this makes me want to take the SAS coil plunge. The fabbing for me is easy. It’s the geometry and knowledge base of suspension that I lack.

Last and real question is how does it behave with speed on the dirt roads? I know you were having sway bar issues, so that that may not even be a reasonable question at the moment.

 

[Black798]

What a build, and to finally go wheel it must have been the best feeling. You were in Moab the same time we were. Wished I could have seen your 4runner in real life. It’s literally everything I dream of in mine. SAS, crawler gear, and turbo. Like said earlier, it’s how they should have come from the factory.

I really like how you kept the width down. I know everyone likes the big wide whatever’s on one tons…. But give me stock width. It’s the greatest feature of a 3rd gen is it’s skinny size.

Thank you so much for sharing! Reading this makes me want to take the SAS coil plunge. The fabbing for me is easy. It’s the geometry and knowledge base of suspension that I lack.

Last and real question is how does it behave with speed on the dirt roads? I know you were having sway bar issues, so that that may not even be a reasonable question at the moment.

It was an awesome feeling finally getting it to work. The first 3 days in Moab were so much of a roller coaster and I was about ready to throw in the towel and put the truck back on the trailer for the rest of the week so the first run on cliffhanger I was on cloud 9.

The width and height was a huge deal for me building this, I wanted the fender flares to stay intact and everything to look like it would have come from the factory, I ended up a tad wider than stock and the tires do have a bit of poke in the front but it's legitimately as narrow as I possibly could make it while still clearing everything how I needed to. And looking back through pictures I like how the truck seems to be more filled out and looks more planted now.

One tons are cool and they can take some serious abuse, but for what this truck is and how I want to wheel it they would just be overkill. I know I can still break parts in this setup which I likely wouldn't be able to with one tons, but hell my axles are several hundred pounds lighter and as long as I am smart I really shouldn't have many issues.

If you're confident in your fab skills I wouldn't hesitate to take on a sas, the thing with suspension is there is no right or wrong answer. Its all a game of compromises and choosing what you think will work best for your application. Id really encourage you to just starting reading through some of the older threads on pirte4x4, there is a lot of bs to sort though but also a lot of good info, and if you get the base level knowledge of the different parts that play into the suspension and think through everything youll be fine.

As for my handling offroad and on road its fantastic. I can run through corners now and hardly lean at all in them which is a huge contrast to the rocking boat feeling I had with the ifs and no swaybars. The rear swaybar I have now limits articulation at slower speeds but running across whoops and things of that nature the truck is so much smoother than it was with the ifs. I used to have issues with the front end bucking super bad when going through that stuff and now its just smooth and planted. Once I spend some time tuning everything in I think that there is a real chance this truck can hang with a lot of the long traveled 4runners out there.

 

[Black798]

A few weeks back I took the 4runner out to browns camp in Oregon for a weekend of wheeling. It was an absolute blast, met a ton of great people and saw some old friends. For the most part the 4runner ran problem 3 aside from losing a rear brake caliper and a broken charge wire from the alternator.

Say what you will about trailer queens but it is really nice having the security on these big trips knowing the truck just has to make it back to camp. I also ended up daily driving the 4runner 60 miles a day for the week following this trip.
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Doing some more ifs shenanigans. The drivers cv on this truck broke inside the diff and exploded so bad we had to pull the whole thing on the trail to get the stub shaft out.
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Overall a great trip and everytime I get the truck out it just keeps getting better. Still a lot of kinks to work out but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I also got out earlier this week for some snow wheeling which I havent gotten to do in a long time. The weather was finally right this year
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[T4Rchadly]

them snow wheeling pics looks gooooooood

 

[thezentree]

Bump for more pics.