Bolt on (No Mod) Off Road Front Bumper?

[mesooohoppy]

That's a lot of money to spend for "looks." It almost seems like a Jeep thing because I just don't understand...

yes. much jeep vibes.

id much rather spend my money on crap i actually need. thats why i havent even seriously started looking at bumpers yet. im still getting through the more important stuff.

Just re looked at the 4Xinnovations

$175 shipping WTF

it weighs 100 lbs, what do you expect? you may even be in freight territory at this point in time.

that is also why you see weld together kits. theyre cheaper to produce the end product and shipping is much cheaper.

man, at that price, i really want to like that 4x bumper. i absolutely hate how they flush mounted the turn signals and then cut a circle for the light and that other hex circle thing. that looks so cheesy and unrefined next to the flush mount turn signals.

 

[phattyduck]

man, at that price, i really want to like that 4x bumper. i absolutely hate how they flush mounted the turn signals and then cut a circle for the light and that other hex circle thing. that looks so cheesy and unrefined next to the flush mount turn signals.

There are reasons. Those pop-in turn signals are cheap. Fog lights and off road lights are expensive - so they get recessed. The extra hole is for air to the radiator and access to a winch clutch handle.

-Charlie

 

[mesooohoppy]

There are reasons. Those pop-in turn signals are cheap. Fog lights and off road lights are expensive - so they get recessed. The extra hole is for air to the radiator and access to a winch clutch handle.

-Charlie

okay this all makes sense except for your foglight comment. just because theyre expensive doesnt dictate how you mount them. can you further elaborate?

do you get more options for foglights when you recess stuff like this? the winch cluch thing makes sense, but how come i dont see these big ass recessed holes on other bumpers? an example would be coastal. their fog lights are flush and they have no additional holes for that clutch handle you mention...?

 

[phattyduck]

okay this all makes sense except for your foglight comment. just because theyre expensive doesnt dictate how you mount them. can you further elaborate?

do you get more options for foglights when you recess stuff like this? the winch cluch thing makes sense, but how come i dont see these big ass recessed holes on other bumpers? an example would be coastal. their fog lights are flush and they have no additional holes for that clutch handle you mention...?

You mount expensive things recessed so that they don't get trail damage. Even the coastal bumper square openings for fog lights recesses them a bit, look again.

The Coastal bumper is open top, and you access the winch handle from above. It requires that you cut out some of the grill to mount a winch, and leaves the winch exposed (can be good or bad, depending on what's important to you).

-Charlie

 

[04rnr]

Care to explain?

well if you really think, that a TJM is "one of the strongest I've seen on a bolt on bumper" you need to get out and check out some real fab shops. Ive personally seen a TJM fold, causing damage to the bumper itself, trashed the headlight signal, and the fender on the pass side. He wanted to "save" money so he bought a used TJM, then it cost him so much more to get everything fixed,, they are NOT even close, to the strongest bumper" I personally wouldnt trust him to push a grocery cart out of the way.

 

[Iffykid]

yes. much jeep vibes.

id much rather spend my money on crap i actually need. thats why i havent even seriously started looking at bumpers yet. im still getting through the more important stuff.

it weighs 100 lbs, what do you expect? you may even be in freight territory at this point in time.

that is also why you see weld together kits. theyre cheaper to produce the end product and shipping is much cheaper.

man, at that price, i really want to like that 4x bumper. i absolutely hate how they flush mounted the turn signals and then cut a circle for the light and that other hex circle thing. that looks so cheesy and unrefined next to the flush mount turn signals.

I have seen the same flush mount turn signals used on other front bumper offerings like Coastal Offroad.

WTF is just based off the fact that it would cost appx $75 in fuel to make the 500+ mile round trip in my 4runner and half that if I used the car.

$606 for the 4X is tempting the out the door price especially if adding the $55 grill guard makes me go hmmmm!:dammit:

About the only item left on my should/need do list is a new radiator.

 

[89T4runner]

well if you really think, that a TJM is "one of the strongest I've seen on a bolt on bumper" you need to get out and check out some real fab shops. Ive personally seen a TJM fold, causing damage to the bumper itself, trashed the headlight signal, and the fender on the pass side. He wanted to "save" money so he bought a used TJM, then it cost him so much more to get everything fixed,, they are NOT even close, to the strongest bumper" I personally wouldnt trust him to push a grocery cart out of the way.

Fair enough. I was specifically talking about the winch plate that bolts to the frame, but I have to agree that the actual bumper part that bolts to the winch frame doesnt feel quite strong. I'm very happy with my bumper and at the end of the day that's all that matters. I also remember a post somewhere about a 4xinnovations bumper that was involved in a rear end accident that folded and caused alot of damage to the vehicle it was mounted to.

Thank you for elaborating and sharing first hand experience

 

[absalom]

Not purely for looks. I want to get into off roading but I’m a noob currently.

At this point no, I wont be adding a winch but in the future I might ... just looking for a nice low cost solution ...

If you're just getting into off-roading, I would save your money. The only real case I could see for a plate bumper would be a winch mount.

You'll be surprised just how useless a plate bumper is on- and off-road.

 

[04rnr]

Fair enough. I was specifically talking about the winch plate that bolts to the frame, but I have to agree that the actual bumper part that bolts to the winch frame doesnt feel quite strong. I'm very happy with my bumper and at the end of the day that's all that matters. I also remember a post somewhere about a 4xinnovations bumper that was involved in a rear end accident that folded and caused alot of damage to the vehicle it was mounted to.

Thank you for elaborating and sharing first hand experience

not a problem, we are all here to learn. I could have gone about it better, but being on meds its been a bad week.
We are good arty:

 

[MStudt]

WTF is just based off the fact that it would cost appx $75 in fuel to make the 500+ mile round trip in my 4runner and half that if I used the car.

You also need to consider what your time is worth? You'll have to pick this up during the week unless you can arrange a special pickup on the weekend. If it's during the week are you going to have to take off work? Is wasting 8-16 hour of PTO really worth the drive to save $100?

Personally, I'd pay the shipping, and have someone deliver it to my door. I like saying my PTO days for real adventures. Not driving 500+ miles to pick up a bumper. Either way, you'll be happy with a 4x bumper! It's a great bumper for the price, and you can't pass up $606.

Mike

 

[JohnMc]

+1 on the 4XInnovations bumpers. I have them on both ends of my '99. They are 100% bolt on.

Small note, however - they have LOTS of large bolts holding them on with a 99+ 4Runner. They bolt on to a 96-98 4Runner as well - but they won't be as securely bolted in place because it uses the crash beam mounts that the 99+ trucks have. 96-98 trucks just have little replaceable crush cans on the end of the frame, held on by a single small bolt. The 4XI bumper can use that small bolt, along with the 2 larger 'side facing' bolts on the frame. But it's not quite as strong as the 99+ mounting.

My wife initially bolted hers onto her '96 with no frame mods, but after a bit we decided to make it a bit stronger. Took the bumper off, carefully cut the early style end off the frame, and then I used the flanges from my crash beam and welded those on in place. Now it bolts on with the full complement of large bolts (10 instead of 4).

 

[WeakSauz]

You'll be surprised just how useless a plate bumper is on- and off-road.

+1.

You can do amazing.. and I mean amazing.. things offroad with a 100% oem bumper (front or rear).

I've even seen people fab up winch mounts inside the 99+ fatlip bumpers, too.

 

[Iffykid]

Just re looked at the 4Xinnovations

$175 shipping WTF

COB retired with more time than money anyone thinking about ordering one from the Minneapolis, Mn area and want to split gas money?

You also need to consider what your time is worth? You'll have to pick this up during the week unless you can arrange a special pickup on the weekend. If it's during the week are you going to have to take off work? Is wasting 8-16 hour of PTO really worth the drive to save $100?

Personally, I'd pay the shipping, and have someone deliver it to my door. I like saying my PTO days for real adventures. Not driving 500+ miles to pick up a bumper. Either way, you'll be happy with a 4x bumper! It's a great bumper for the price, and you can't pass up $606.

Mike

As previously stated in post #12 R E T I R E D:yield:

 

[thezentree]

+1 for 4xI. I don't have one of their front bumpers but I have a rear bumper with a swingout and it is a fantastic product. Beautiful welds, perfectly square, and bolted on like a factory product.

They are HEAVY, so the shipping is reasonable for what it is if you ask me. Mine showed up on my front porch 2 days after it shipped. I'm pretty sure my fedex guy is plotting his revenge though...

 

[Ken2029]

Trying to figure the weight penalty. Can anyone tell me what the OEM bumper weighs?

 

[Iffykid]

Trying to figure the weight penalty. Can anyone tell me what the OEM bumper weighs?

I have the same question.

I am sure there is a slight weight difference between the 96-98 and the newer fat lip bumper which has more plastics included, I have read reference to 40lbs but not indicated which model year and I also looked at individual fat lip
components which indicated 20lbs for the inner and 36lbs for the out assembly for a total of 56lbs.

If it wasn't middle of winter and I wasn't so lazy I have considered removing mine and weighing just for personal knowledge, Weight is weight but I dont think a 50lb weight penalty would be all that unreasonable.

$606 sale price good thru 1-26-2020 I am still hoping to luck into a used bumper for a good price.

 

[Ken2029]

Still, adding front and rear bumpers will cost you around 100 pounds or more over stock. These things don't have a big payload capacity.

 

[lockedlex]

I just put an order in for the 4X Front and Rear bumpers

Anyone have preferences for which Winch to use? I'd like something that can fit easily inside that bumper w/o any mods or changes and of course won't fail when you need it. I'm also leaning towards synthetic, but am open to opinions. Most of my wheeling is rocks/desert (some forest, but in general I hate mud). Thanks!

 

[Iffykid]

Still, adding front and rear bumpers will cost you around 100 pounds or more over stock. These things don't have a big payload capacity.

And yet you see others adding bumpers trailer hitches, high lift jacks, winches, roof racks and or roof tents,air compressors etc etc.

Maybe I can loose 10lbs per side removing running boards.:eyebrows:

 

[Ken2029]

And yet you see others adding bumpers trailer hitches, high lift jacks, winches, roof racks and or roof tents,air compressors etc etc.

Maybe I can loose 10lbs per side removing running boards.:eyebrows:

And then drill lightening holes in the OEM bumpers!