Car won't start..

mauidiver

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So had my kids in the car to take them to school, turned the key and it fired up for a second then shut off. This has never ever happened before. I turned key again and same thing...it fired up bogged and shut down. Tried it 3 more times with the same thing happening. Just dropped my kids off in my wife's car, and back home to type...help!! New battery within 3-4 months, and that's it. Will try to turn over one more time, but this is bumming me out. I don't even know where to start.
 
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It's probably pissed cause you keep calling it a "car"!
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But seriously maybe a bad coil pack or cam position sensor I would start with getting the OBD scanned to see what if any codes are thrown.
Good luck
 
Ok, my soon to be bad ass 4Runner ain't startin!! Just had it scanned the other day for my 02 sensors replacement which those codes did pop up, and I actually have them. The only codes that popped up were the 02 sensors, I'll look at the paper I wrote them on in a few. But no other codes popped up besides those. I'll check it out. Thanks man
 
So it fires up, and immediately shuts down. It also continues to restart without me even turning the key like it's stuck. Sorry for my Poor terminology
 
Ok, let me try to reword. It seems if I turn ignition on for a second without fully turning the key on, it continues to try to start until it just stops. It sometimes just keeps on trying to turn over without me holding key all the way until it just shuts off. Don't know how to explain any better. Then sometimes it just gives a bogg, then shuts off. Sorry again for my description.
 
[MENTION=137248]mauidiver[/MENTION] If all else fails, try disconnecting the battery for a few minutes and then try again.
 
I can hear the fuel pump pressurizing the few seconds before I fully engage the ignition. So I will give it a few, then unhook battery and try again.
 
[MENTION=137248]mauidiver[/MENTION] If all else fails, try disconnecting the battery for a few minutes and then try again.

So disconnected battery for 10 minutes, then turned it over and it ran smoothe for a couple seconds then shut down. I tried again, same thing, then tried one more time and it was doing the same thing...it keeps trying to go, but does not start. I had the oils changed a couple weeks ago from Kwik-kar and when I started it then, it did the same thing, just shut down. Then I turned it over and started with no issue. I thought that was strange as nothing like this ever happened before. But again, didn't really think much more about it as no problems. This was not the usual oil shop I normally use, and the guy kept saying "we are a complete shop here" we do everything...and kept repeating that. He really wanted my business. I thought it strange that it died on the first start, and thought they were messing with me, but no problem for a couple weeks. Now this. So either it's just a bad timing or is there something they could have done to make this happen? I know I'm sounding a little bit paranoid but it was just strange because I've never had any issues with it starting before.
 
Ok, and for even more kicks, my wife laughed and said do you have gas? It does register I do, but was getting low, AND my son drove it last night to his "school" so I'm going to put a couple gallons in just for fun. To be continued. Getting coffee and gas now with my wife.
 
Just throwing this out there because I had a previous vehicle do something similar, possibly needs a new fuel filter? Hopefully [MENTION=66389]BlackWorksInc[/MENTION] will be by to offer some advise.
 
Ok, and for even more kicks, my wife laughed and said do you have gas? It does register I do, but was getting low, AND my son drove it last night to his "school" so I'm going to put a couple gallons in just for fun. To be continued. Getting coffee and gas now with my wife.

Hopefully it is just GAS. :lol:
 
Ok, so, now I've got to either admit to y'all and my wife, that either I'm a F#%#Turd, and there was no gas which it did register, or the gas cap which was loose by the way. It started up after one second. Haha! Shit!! Thanks guys. Y'all are geniuses. And BTW, non of you suggested it might be out of gas as my son went to "school" last night. Going to have a little talk. Haha!
 
My guess is it's a fuel delivery problem. The first few times it tries to start there's juuust enough fuel pressure to run it for a second or two and then stops. Subsequent tries at starting have already depleted whatever fuel pressure you had (pump is going bad or your fuel regulator is bad) and then it just sits there and cranks....

On another note, you may have never noticed it before when your 4Runner was starting normally, but your 4Runner will "auto crank" the engine until it starts....or stop until it realizes the engine isn't going to start after a few seconds. You can just "bump" the key quickly and it'll crank until it starts.

**EDIT** I was typing my response and didn't see he posted it was out of gas-o-leen--which falls in the fuel delivery problem area :)
 
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Ok, let me try to reword. It seems if I turn ignition on for a second without fully turning the key on, it continues to try to start until it just stops. It sometimes just keeps on trying to turn over without me holding key all the way until it just shuts off. Don't know how to explain any better. Then sometimes it just gives a bogg, then shuts off. Sorry again for my description.

That behavior is somewhat normal. The 4th gen 4runner has an "automatic" starting mode. As soon as you turn the key to engage the starter, the computer takes over and keeps the starter engaged until either the engine starts, or until it times out after about 5 seconds. This happens even if you let go of the key.

Earlier 4runners (my '94) have an interlock where, after the engine starts, if there is not continuous airflow past the air flow sensor, the fuel pump will immediately shut down and the engine will die. This is to prevent fires in case of an accident that kills the engine but leaves the key on. You don't want the fuel pump to continue to run under those circumstances. An air intake hose coming apart can give you these symptoms on the '94.

I assume the 4th gen has a similar system, although it may be implemented differently. In your case, it's possible the ECU doesn't detect the engine has started, and shuts down the fuel pump as soon as you let go of the key.

Since this problem started after you had the codes read, you really don't know whether there is a new code pertaining to this issue. You need to have it scanned again. Honestly, simple OBDII readers cost less than $20 - everyone who does any of their own maintenance needs to own one.

If there are no codes, you may have to take it to a dealer to have them scan it with a Toyota specific diag tool. That will provide them much more info than a simple OBDII scan, and will probably point to the problem.

A final possibility is a malfunction in the anti-theft ECU, although that usually results in no firing at all, not a brief start and then dying. Does your security system light come on in the instrument cluster? You might try starting it with a different key if you have one.
 
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Since you disconnected the battery, you've cleared the ECM of all the short and longterm fuel settings it had learned, so it's very possible it'll idle a little rough until it re-learns them. Start it and let it idle for about 20 minutes and it'll be fine.
 

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