Carista new feature

[007Tacoma]

On my 13, even with it completely disabled, when really pushing the car in turns stability control still intervenes. I’ve confirmed this on more than one occasion....

Interesting... i wonder if that changed along with the RSCA button on the 2014+... With mine disabled, I have been able to completely slide the rear around in a turn that I swore I was going to flip. ...I turned it back on after that.

 

[epjfsa]

If you actually KNOW how to drive you should be able to safely drive your vehicle on public streets without any of the nanny stuff.

My same-aged friend bought an 80ish Toyota pickup a few years ago and said “it feels like you’re driving a REAL vehicle” - if you don’t know that feeling, you’re a Millennial.

This is such a flawed argument. There are many experienced or professional drivers who have died while casually driving down the road because mistakes or unexpected things happen.

Not one of you in this thread talking about your wonderful driving skills can claim, with any reason, that zero scenario exists where ABS, traction control, etc. could save you your someone else's ass.

Sure, most of us got around just fine leaning on our extremely fantastic and amazing driving skills. But there are so many more cars on the road today and half of the drivers are distracted, vehicles are much larger and weigh more, speed limits are higher, there's a higher frequency of severe weather, and roads are in increasingly worse condition. The fact is that we have this mature technology that automatically makes vehicles so much safer than they used to be, and it's even designed to be turned off when reasonable to do so.

If you want to enjoy ripping donuts and slide around corners, I promise that you bought the wrong vehicle. I say all this having physically torn out traction control on my M3 over a decade ago because the older systems sucked. That's no longer true. These systems in the 4runner are pretty damn good, too. Why turn it off? If they're kicking in, adjust your driving style or buy better tires.

Edit: Plus, what do you think will happen if you're involved in a crash and insurance finds out that you intentionally disabled a safety system?

 

[TCLLC]

This is such a flawed argument. There are many experienced or professional drivers who have died while casually driving down the road because mistakes or unexpected things happen.

Not one of you in this thread talking about your wonderful driving skills can claim, with any reason, that zero scenario exists where ABS, traction control, etc. could save you your someone else's ass.

Sure, most of us got around just fine leaning on our extremely fantastic and amazing driving skills. But there are so many more cars on the road today and half of the drivers are distracted, vehicles are much larger and weigh more, speed limits are higher, there's a higher frequency of severe weather, and roads are in increasingly worse condition. The fact is that we have this mature technology that automatically makes vehicles so much safer than they used to be, and it's even designed to be turned off when reasonable to do so.

If you want to enjoy ripping donuts and slide around corners, I promise that you bought the wrong vehicle. I say all this having physically torn out traction control on my M3 over a decade ago because the older systems sucked. That's no longer true. These systems in the 4runner are pretty damn good, too. Why turn it off? If they're kicking in, adjust your driving style or buy better tires.

Edit: Plus, what do you think will happen if you're involved in a crash and insurance finds out that you intentionally disabled a safety system?

trust me I get what you are saying, and I do agree. this all started over having the ability to turn this off and have a bit of fun off road. I get it we are not driving the general lee, we don't have sport cars.

then some people got involved and got upset that the mere mention of this was blasphemy then others got involved and agreed with me, that its a throw back to old school driving.

didn't you ever want to turn off traction control and have some fun? that is all we are talking about. if not all good, there are some of us that miss driving like that

I get it today's kids cannot handle driving without it, and that's fine. but those of us who remember how much fun it used to be driving... that is all we are saying. yes we know the risks we are taking, we know how much insurance would frown on this, but when did the inner kid in us ever listen?

now please to whomever wants to rip this apart line by line, don't, just don't, you just don't know how much fun and dangerous driving used to be. you will tell your grandkids about the days you used to have to steer a car. I will tell mine about how cool donuts were in the snow

 

[Redsoxx1918]

Bet ya $10 I can drift mine on pavement, with all nannies left on still. Done it.

That said, we used to rely on aptitude, training, and experience for safety. Not nannies. Many of us don’t need or want a computer messing with the handling of their vehicle. I am better off unhindered for the most part. And I am 40, so I only started driving 23 years ago legally anyway. All my time learning was with ABS being the only potential nanny around and many vehicles still did not have that.

These things have their place so I leave them on most of the time, but there are plenty of times you want them gone too.

DEAL! Please post video of you drifting your 4runner around turns with all the nannies on and I will gladly paypal you the $10. And you said pavement, not sand, snow or ice.

 

[Redsoxx1918]

someone who understands... thank you sir!!!

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, sir. I have been driving for 40 years. I started driving in 70's muscle cars and have owned more than my fair share of performance vehicles over the years, from American muscle cars to German sports cars. We all enjoyed doing donuts and ripping burnouts in empty parking lots or abandoned access roads on the old military bases. So, there is always a time and a place for turning off the nannies and having some fun. That being said, the 4runner is not the vehicle that is made for that kind of driving.

What I'm wondering is whether or not you believe that your driving skills are such that you have a better chance of avoiding a tragedy with these aids on or off. I'm talking about everyday driving, whether to work, the gym, school, dropping the kids at practice.....when someone ahead of you suddenly slams on the brakes, or a deer runs out in front of you, or a car unexpectedly pulls out in front of you when you are doing 70. Do you feel that you can stop your 4runner in a shorter distance without anti-lock brakes? Do you feel that you can react faster than the stability control and apply proper braking to avoid a crash when you are forced to react in an instant?

So, aside from an off road situation, when do you like to turn off your electronic nannies? It's an honest question. Just because I haven't run across anyone doing burnouts in their lifted 4runner and new KO2s.

 

[Redsoxx1918]

Bet ya $10 I can drift mine on pavement, with all nannies left on still. Done it.

That said, we used to rely on aptitude, training, and experience for safety. Not nannies. Many of us don’t need or want a computer messing with the handling of their vehicle. I am better off unhindered for the most part. And I am 40, so I only started driving 23 years ago legally anyway. All my time learning was with ABS being the only potential nanny around and many vehicles still did not have that.

These things have their place so I leave them on most of the time, but there are plenty of times you want them gone too.

When exactly are those "plenty of times" that you want traction control/stability control and ABS off? Are you just talking about the obvious times like when you are off roading, or perhaps stuck in the snow and you need wheel spin? When are all these other times? I am on the right forum, correct? I had to check to make sure I wasn't on the Corvette forum. I mean, we're not talking about taking our new Vette down to the local track for track day. We are talking about our underpowered, body on frame 4runners, right? Are you really drag racing these things, doing burnouts and competing at the track with a 4runner?

 

[Moses_J]

With everything Carista can accomplish I wish you could program the lights like SpeedTurtle and Zflash modules for emergency warning lights.

 

[mscot]

bet you never did donuts back in the day, empty parking lot? full of fresh snow? hell of a lot of fun.

I grew up on a farm. Started driving when I was around 10. First car was a trans am. First truck was a Chevy with a 350. Plus multitude of atvs and go carts.
Still as an over 40 adult with a toddler. I’d rather all the ****ing doors unlocked at once.


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[Mutant138]

If you actually KNOW how to drive you should be able to safely drive your vehicle on public streets without any of the nanny stuff.

My same-aged friend bought an 80ish Toyota pickup a few years ago and said “it feels like you’re driving a REAL vehicle” - if you don’t know that feeling, you’re a Millennial.

1981-1999 is millennials. Some millennials are almost 40 years old. But good job generalizing 70-80 million American's driving habits/abilities. Everyone loves a gatekeeper.

I'm 27 and I will run circles around most people at the track with zero assistance vehicles so what's your point? You don't need to be old to drive old vehicles.

Nannys are designed to help eliminate user error and improve everyone's chances.

*A 2004 Australian study by Monash University Accident Research Centre found that ABS:

-Reduced the risk of multiple vehicle crashes by 18 percent,
-Increased the risk of run-off-road crashes by 35 percent.

*A June 1999 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) study found that ABS increased stopping distances on loose gravel by an average of 27.2 percent.

Not everyone is a good driver and the way our society is set up we will continue to have bad drivers licensed. The point of all this stuff is to make the vehicle prevent human error.

 

[jhguth]

I wonder how people ever drove before this stuff came out

they drove the same, they just died a lot more than today

 

[MaddoxPics]

Watching how the average person drives on the road, this is a very bad idea. Of course someone will do it for the 'gram per usual and I'll be waiting for the videos.

 

[epjfsa]

I get it today's kids cannot handle driving without it, and that's fine. but those of us who remember how much fun it used to be driving... that is all we are saying. yes we know the risks we are taking, we know how much insurance would frown on this, but when did the inner kid in us ever listen?

I guess my only point here is that you're making that decision of taking on risk for other drivers for them. If we're talking empty roads in the middle of nowhere, go for it. Although I'm selling my M3 (just more interested in house projects now-a-days), the reason I've kept it for so long is exactly what you described, so I get it. :thumb:

 

[TCLLC]

I never ever said to do this stuff with a kid in the back, hell I can remember when we used to lay by the back window while dad was driving.

Driving used to be a skill. if you want to unlock all of your doors with a single push, great, very happy for you. if you want to have fun like we used to when driving was a skill, then you get it.

laws changed, safety equipment has changed, and I get that. not because of everyone, but because of a few.

now, going back to the spirit of this forum, which I had been gone for a while because I was sick of all of the attacks (not that there was anything in this post, it was all that is a cool idea if you do it off road with no kids and I can unlock all my door or roll down all of my windows). I shared a feature, I promised not to do it again, seems to of bothered way too many people. for those of you that like it, cool I love it.

going back into hiding for a while, I really don't like where this forum is heading anymore

 

[mscot]

I'm sure your 209 posts of contribution will be sorely missed.

 

[Charlievee]

And the Cali commie mentality wins again.

 

[Teamoatmealpie]

I once drove for a whole month with my ABS not working, cause I stretched an ABS line. I' m sorry... for endangering everyone.

 

[Drobs]

The ability to turn off you ABS is really handy when headed towards a cliff off road. That is when you want your wheels to lock and push dirt up in front of the tires to stop you.

My 2006 Nissan Frontier has ABS but doesn't have traction control. Amazing that I survived driving it for the last 13 years.

Funny thing we also had a 2006 Nissan Altima 2.5S (long gone) that didn't have ABS. Learned that real quick hitting the brakes at a stop sign in the snow. Pulled out the window sticker - sure enough, ABS was not listed.

Growing up in the Chicago area, the 1st snow of the year, we'd head to a large parking lot and practice our winter driving skills by doing donuts. I shared a front wheel drive 1986 Chevy Cavalier Z24 with my sister as my 1st car. Found I could get the best donuts by doing them in reverse.

I still practice my winter driving skills the 1st snow of the year. Just have to do them slower in these lifted, top heavy vehicles.

All these safety systems wont do crap for you if your following too close while texting on your cell phone, like 99% of the drivers out there are doing.