Coil sag, my proposed remedy and YOUR $.02

[beyond]

What else can I say; Its here and Im tired of it. Ive done what I feel is proper benchmarking, but feel I should ask the knowledgeable before I pull out the bank card.

1997 SR5
5speed, 16in wheels, AC
South Central PA (RUST)

The 4runner has 215Kmi and I doubt the coils have ever been changed. So...

Replacing the coils is no big deal, BUT, while Im there I might as well replace the struts/shocks, right? right.

My desired outcome: Mild lift, fairly even rake, improved on and offroad characteristics

My plan:

New (already purchased, but not installed)
-LBJ
-UBJ
-TRE

I realize these dont effect coil sag, but they're old and tired.
Ive got them in hand but I need to finalize my spring and strut/shock order.

Would YOU take a look at my Wheeler's Off Road shopping cart, and tell me what you think? (yep, its another check my sh*t thread)

Cart

Old Man Emu 2881 Front Coil Set (1.5 - 1.75" lift)
Old Man Emu 2881 Front Coil Set
$167.20

Old Man Emu 2906 Rear Coil Set (firmer 2" lift)
Old Man Emu 2906 Rear Coil Set
$167.20

Rough Country N2.0 Front Strut Set
Rough Country N2.0 Front Strut Set
$121.00

Rough Country N2.0 Rear Shock Set for 4Runner
Rough Country N2.0 Rear Shock Set for 4Runner
$80.00

Front Anti-Sway Kit
$24.00

Rear Anti-Sway Kit
$13.50

Rubber Coil Isolator Set – Front Strut Top Plate
$20.00

Total Chaos 96701 STEERING RACK BUSHING KIT
$24.95



I havent broken the suspension down yet, but I know theres rust and decay.

From YOUR outside opinion, am I missing anything???

What would/wouldnt you do in addition???

Thanks for taking a gander and giving me any advise

:ranger:

 

[nissanh]

To fix the rear sag, you can get rear springs. You really don't have to replace the rear shocks unless you plan to do a lift. Check the rear shocks, if they are bad then get shocks. Bielstein is a good brand

 

[NHRunner]

Some people have been a little disappointed with the 881/906. It's sits level and rides great at first, but once everything settles, there tends to be some rearward rake. It's ultimately a matter of aesthetics. You can resolve the issue with a pair of OME trim packers for the rear or by using the 880 coil instead of the 881 up front. Or, you could bump up to a full 3" with the 890 in the rear.

Here's a thread referring to what I'm talking about:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/110302-ome-881-906-rear-sag.html

 

[KidVermicious]

How are you using the truck? I would not get medium/heavy OME unless you need medium/heavy OME.

In fact, be sure you want OME at all before you pull the trigger. I have OME on both our 4Runners and I love it, but it is not a "comfort" suspension. It soaks up big bumps amazingly well and rides like butter when you're offroad, but the trade off is you feel all the little stuff when you're on the pavement. A softer street oriented suspension will isolate all that little stuff so you roll down the street smooth, but it'll be soggy and pitchy when you hit big stuff. Your call, but I've seen a lot of guys pull the trigger on OME because they want the lift, and then complain that it rides too rough on the street, so be sure you want it.

 

[thaemcee2]

Some people have been a little disappointed with the 881/906. It's sits level and rides great at first, but once everything settles, there tends to be some rearward rake. It's ultimately a matter of aesthetics. You can resolve the issue with a pair of OME trim packers for the rear or by using the 880 coil instead of the 881 up front. Or, you could bump up to a full 3" with the 890 in the rear.

Here's a thread referring to what I'm talking about:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/110302-ome-881-906-rear-sag.html

Also keep in mind what Kid said...I just installed OME 880-906 and i have about 1" positive rake, that is, the rear is higher than the front..also installed new OME 60073 "soft" shocks and have relatively new monroe OEM replacement struts in front...the rig is lifted mildly less, but like Kid said the ride will be a lot firmer/rougher on pavement...most of the time people complain about stiff rough rides after lifts, its the rear..I would look into the LC coils for the rear as they are much more soft that OME...unless u plan to really offroad the rig, then it also depends on your preference...i dont mind the rear being so rough...but 881/906 will certainly give you 1/2" negative rake...

 

[beyond]

To fix the rear sag, you can get rear springs. You really don't have to replace the rear shocks unless you plan to do a lift. Check the rear shocks, if they are bad then get shocks. Bielstein is a good brand

Ive decided that Im going to replace all the shocks due to the current ride and they're quite old

Thanks

 

[beyond]

Some people have been a little disappointed with the 881/906. It's sits level and rides great at first, but once everything settles, there tends to be some rearward rake. It's ultimately a matter of aesthetics. You can resolve the issue with a pair of OME trim packers for the rear or by using the 880 coil instead of the 881 up front. Or, you could bump up to a full 3" with the 890 in the rear.

Here's a thread referring to what I'm talking about:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/110302-ome-881-906-rear-sag.html

I dont want a higher lift right now.. cant afford new larger 33" tires yet (aesthetic opinion)

Wheelers states a 2.5" lift with the 890.. is the 3" you stated after a packaged coil spring spacer?

Either way really, I think Ill move the fronts down to the 880 to reduce settled rake.

Thanks

 

[beyond]

How are you using the truck? I would not get medium/heavy OME unless you need medium/heavy OME.

In fact, be sure you want OME at all before you pull the trigger. I have OME on both our 4Runners and I love it, but it is not a "comfort" suspension. It soaks up big bumps amazingly well and rides like butter when you're offroad, but the trade off is you feel all the little stuff when you're on the pavement. A softer street oriented suspension will isolate all that little stuff so you roll down the street smooth, but it'll be soggy and pitchy when you hit big stuff. Your call, but I've seen a lot of guys pull the trigger on OME because they want the lift, and then complain that it rides too rough on the street, so be sure you want it.

I use it 80/20 On road/Off road.

No, Im not sure I want OME conclusively.

I know that my search for low milage '99 talls and low wrap LC coils has been mostly a bust; So I figured I go new. In terms of the front, no such luck either

All I do know is Im trying to get a lift of 1.5" to 2" and stay south of $600 coils/struts&shocks

Thanks

 

[beyond]

Also keep in mind what Kid said...I just installed OME 880-906 and i have about 1" positive rake, that is, the rear is higher than the front..also installed new OME 60073 "soft" shocks and have relatively new monroe OEM replacement struts in front...the rig is lifted mildly less, but like Kid said the ride will be a lot firmer/rougher on pavement...most of the time people complain about stiff rough rides after lifts, its the rear..I would look into the LC coils for the rear as they are much more soft that OME...unless u plan to really offroad the rig, then it also depends on your preference...i dont mind the rear being so rough...but 881/906 will certainly give you 1/2" negative rake...

SO you're seeing a "1 positive rake with the 880/906? I dont feel thats too bad as I carry a fair amount of crap with me usually haha

This does concern me though; I dont like a hard rear end as it jolts around more and seems less stable

Thanks

 

[beyond]

Thanks to everyone for the input. I def have some food for thought now.