Concealed Carry

[rando]

@bluewolf: You nailed the issue on the head. The safest way to deal with guns and children is education not secrecy. I too was taught about firearms at a very young age. They were always around the house (unloaded) unlocked and were never really a suprise to me or my siblings. We knew where the ammunition was and knew how to work them. Because of responsible parenting we had the proper persepctive and respect for firearms and thus they were never an issue.

While it is still technically legal to get a concealed weapons permit in CA, in most counties it is a practical impossibility. However, there is no law against carrying a firearm in your vehicle in plain site. It must be unloaded and any ammunition must be in a locked container or physically seperate area of the vehicle from its occupants (i.e. trunk). I'm not sure how this works out if you have an SUV with say your shotgun and shells in the back. F**king Feinstein and Boxster B.S..

BTW, it's interesting to note that both of our illustrious Senators are rumored to possess permits and carry. And they call this freedom! Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dman90012]

@bluewolf: You nailed the issue on the head. The safest way to deal with guns and children is education not secrecy. I too was taught about firearms at a very young age. They were always around the house (unloaded) unlocked and were never really a suprise to me or my siblings. We knew where the ammunition was and knew how to work them. Because of responsible parenting we had the proper persepctive and respect for firearms and thus they were never an issue.

While it is still technically legal to get a concealed weapons permit in CA, in most counties it is a practical impossibility. However, there is no law against carrying a firearm in your vehicle in plain site. It must be unloaded and any ammunition must be in a locked container or physically seperate area of the vehicle from its occupants (i.e. trunk). I'm not sure how this works out if you have an SUV with say your shotgun and shells in the back. F**king Feinstein and Boxster B.S..

BTW, it's interesting to note that both of our illustrious Senators are rumored to possess permits and carry. And they call this freedom! Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But Feinstein and Boxer are more equal than the rest of us...:rolleye2:

Hopefully, Boxer will be booted this November. I'll be doing my part...

 

[rando]

Hopefully, Boxer will be booted this November. I'll be doing my part...

Me too!

F**king Feinstein and Boxster B.S..

Please forgive my inadvertant comparison of our Senator to a fine Sports car. She's none of that.

 

[dancojgl]

F**king Feinstein and Boxster B.S..

Hey, I like Diane Feinstein...She and Charles Schumer increased the value of my AR-15 that I bought for $450 in 1984 to over $1200. Now that's what I call a good investment!

As to the original question, I got my Nevada CCW back in 1995 when the must-issue law was first passed. But I never carried—I got it mostly as a political statement—so, when it expired in 2000, I didn't renew.

BTW, in Nevada, you can have an unloaded weapon anywhere in your car—and by unloaded they mean "no round in the chamber." You can still have a full magazine in it, ready to jack the slide...

—Dan

 

[Iman74]

Technically that is incorrect. A Gun Safety Course will teach you that a closed gun is a loaded gun. They further point out you can check it out a hundred times to confirm it is loaded or unloaded, but once it is closed you don't know. I agree; I know a lot of people that knew people that said it's not loaded, put the gun to their head, pulled the trigger, they are now dead.

Keep that in mind when you have a gun in your hand again.

 

[bryancos]

BioVault Gun Safe

This is what Pitbull was talking about regarding the fngerprint safe...

BioVault Gun Safe
http://www.biovault-gun-safe.com/

Other manufacturers out there.. do a search on "biometic safe"

 

[dancojgl]

you can check it out a hundred times to confirm it is loaded or unloaded, but once it is closed you don't know.

You are absolutely correct...even after you have checked the action to ensure the gun is unloaded, always assume the gun is loaded! Safety First!

BTW, I misspoke earlier..."unloaded" (in terms of the law) means no round in the chamber (or cylinder), and no magazine inserted (for detachable magazine semi-autos)...

—Dan

 

[Kanab]

Re: BioVault Gun Safe

This is what Pitbull was talking about regarding the fngerprint safe...

BioVault Gun Safe
http://www.biovault-gun-safe.com/

Other manufacturers out there.. do a search on "biometic safe"

This is what I was talking about (good find) If you have kids then this takes care of your problem. You now can keep a fully loaded hand gun next to your bed with access for you and your wife but your kids could not get into it.

 

[bluewolf]

I'd sure hate for that fingerprint-recognising devise to malfunction or just get fussy during a time of crisis. THAT would be a real bummer. You could always just hit 'em over the head with the safe I suppose.

Then you've got to get a fingerprint-ID locking drawer for your kitchen knives too, right? And your power tools? Lawn equipment?

(just light-hearted joking, by the way.) :satan:

 

[Kanab]

I'd sure hate for that fingerprint-recognising devise to malfunction or just get fussy during a time of crisis. THAT would be a real bummer. You could always just hit 'em over the head with the safe I suppose.

Then you've got to get a fingerprint-ID locking drawer for your kitchen knives too, right? And your power tools? Lawn equipment?

(just light-hearted joking, by the way.) :satan:

The best solution is not to have any kids in the first place!! Worked for me. More money, more time to do what you really want and if you want to play Mom/Dad just go borrow a nephew or niece for the day. Trust me your brother/sister will be happy to give them up

Of course if you don't have any kids you won't have anyone to put you in that rest home when your old.

 

[bluewolf]

The best solution is not to have any kids in the first place!!


Of course if you don't have any kids you won't have anyone to put you in that rest home when your old.

Hear hear!! And as for the rest home... I plan to be that crazy old coot who lives in the run-down old corner house who sits on the porch with a double-barrel shotgun and yells "GET OFF MY LAND!!" Kids love a crazy old coot~

 

[Iman74]

Re: Re: BioVault Gun Safe

This is what I was talking about (good find) If you have kids then this takes care of your problem. You now can keep a fully loaded hand gun next to your bed with access for you and your wife but your kids could not get into it.

That is a common assumption that gets kids killed. NEVER under-estimate what a child can do. I don't care what the packaging says; where there is a will there is a way. NOTHING is full proof other than not having a gun in the house.

 

[bluewolf]

Re: Re: Re: BioVault Gun Safe

NOTHING is full proof other than not having a gun in the house.

And guess what... not even that is fool proof. You can control your own environment, but you can't control other people's environments. What can you do about your children's FRIEND'S houses? How can you REALLY rest assured that your kid will not be screwing around with a loaded gun?

Education. If I am confident that my kid knows what a pistol or rifle is, what it can do, and the respect that it demands, then I can breath a little easier knowing that -- if and when -- a dangerous situation presents itself, he or she will know exactly what to do.

 

[Iman74]

I agree with education if you are saying you teach them how to use it. Just saying this is a gun, and so and so things can happen doesn't mean squat. However, even with education there are some kids with personalities that will act in an unresponsible manner with guns regardless of what they have been taught.

But as far as lock boxes or gun vaults, I would not have a gun without one. I did a lot of research before deciding on my lock box. It's very simple, can be opened with a key, but that key too is hidden, and I did not buy this till someone told me about how they had a friend that have a loaded 357 in the box, and somehow it went off. The bullet never existed the box, but made a huge cone. I was sold after hearing that.

 

[bluewolf]

Locking guns in a safe protects them from being stolen by thieves. Locking up guns to prevent your child from accidentally killing him or herself is like keeping your matches in a lock-box to prevent them from accidentally burning down the house. As for education, it goes much deeper than telling your kids that guns are not toys.

I completely respect a persons desire to protect their children from accidents, but I strongly believe that it is simply not enough to lock up guns for their own protection.

 

[Kanab]

A kid should be put through a NRA course as young as they except them. If you know something it is safer. Of course I don't have any rug rats so what do I know???

 

[Hoomiester]

Thought I'd chime in here. Here in Va, it cost about $50 to get a permit. You do have to be fingerprinted and must carry your permit at all times. I have a copy of it in every vehicle and several in my wallet.

I usually carry one weapon with me and if I'm in my vehicle, it's there. I have one because of my previous job and valid death threats. (If you have never received a "real" death threat, you have no idea how it affects you!) I have drawn it - in self-defense - several times but have never had to use it in a personal setting.

My two kids have been taught to respect all weapons and both received a rifle and a Daisy Red Rider for their first birthday! They can shoot with the best around and know not to talk about my permit in front of anyone - even other family members.

Teaching them to respect and use weapons was easy and they look forward to having a day at the range. I let them shoot my pistols but neither can come close to my wife's ability to hit the center with my .357 Ruger Security Six!

I'm not a gun nut, but do hunt, target shoot and will fight for my freedom to protect myself. It's a way of life in my area of Virginia.

Concealed weapons are a great way to protect yourself (legally) without "showing off" to the general public. I respect the rights of others by not letting them see my weapon. There are groups in Virginia that advocate wearing weapons in plain site but I believe it just freaks others out to see guns on the street.

 

[Kanab]

I'm also applying for a Non-resident CCW permit from the state of Florida. They are honored in 35 states and cost $117, good for 5 years. This gives you the ability to travel much of the country and be legal with a concealed weapon. My Missouri permit is only good in Missouri and a couple of other states. Kinda funny that the Florida non-resident CCW is honored in Missouri and I could of just gotten the Florida permit and never needed to get a Missouri permit. The Fla. CCW forms can be ordered over the internet and all you need is proof of fire arms training, a passport size picture, and the forms filled out and the $117. It takes about 90 days to get the permit. All done though the mail.

 

[Tripyn]

I'm also applying for a Non-resident CCW permit from the state of Florida. They are honored in 35 states and cost $117, good for 5 years. This gives you the ability to travel much of the country and be legal with a concealed weapon. My Missouri permit is only good in Missouri and a couple of other states. Kinda funny that the Florida non-resident CCW is honored in Missouri and I could of just gotten the Florida permit and never needed to get a Missouri permit. The Fla. CCW forms can be ordered over the internet and all you need is proof of fire arms training, a passport size picture, and the forms filled out and the $117. It takes about 90 days to get the permit. All done though the mail.

Pitbill, I live in Florida and I do have my CCW. Yes, it was easy to get and nice to have. Cost me 50$ at the local range for the course and 117$ to the state, it was back to me in just over 30 days. Just make sure when you get the fingerprints and do all the paperwork that there are no mistakes. Otherwise, you will be waiting a lot longer then 30-90 days. For those of you that are interested http://www.packing.org has a lot of info about CCW carry and local/state laws for each one. Got to love this state, we have some of the most relaxed gun laws in the Country!

 

[d3cypher]

My two kids have been taught to respect all weapons and both received a rifle and a Daisy Red Rider for their first birthday! They can shoot with the best around and know not to talk about my permit in front of anyone - even other family members.

Teaching them to respect and use weapons was easy and they look forward to having a day at the range. I let them shoot my pistols but neither can come close to my wife's ability to hit the center with my .357 Ruger Security Six!

I'm not a gun nut, but do hunt, target shoot and will fight for my freedom to protect myself. It's a way of life in my area of Virginia.

Concealed weapons are a great way to protect yourself (legally) without "showing off" to the general public. I respect the rights of others by not letting them see my weapon. There are groups in Virginia that advocate wearing weapons in plain site but I believe it just freaks others out to see guns on the street.

Amen brother!

BTW, how does one define a 'gun nut'? I don't hunt, I like to target shoot, trap and skeet and I like guns. Is there a # of guns one needs to be a gun nut or just obsessed with guns?

You are doing exactly what I will do once/if I have kids.

-john