Conco/Phillips

[Kanab]

FYI-
NRA indicates that Conco/Phillips is agains't their employees 2nd admin. rights in Okla. I'm not buying anymore of their GAS.

 

[carina71]

FYI-
NRA indicates that Conco/Phillips is agains't their employees 2nd admin. rights in Okla. I'm not buying anymore of their GAS.

Don't like guns eh? Good luck to you on your boycott, but it will be real tough as the way I understand it, gas is traded almost like money (all over wires), thus the gas you buy from say Texaco, could very well be from the Conoco/Phillips oil production.

Out of curiosity, are the 2nd amend. rights in Oklahoma different than elsewhere?

 

[Kanab]

Okla. is a right to carry state and you can carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle. The legislature passed a bill that would bar employers from restricting employee's from having a weapon in there locked vehicle in the Company parking lot. Conco/Phillps is one of the two or three companies that have filed a lawsuit trying to block that law from taking effect. I don't care how they trade gasoline. If they start lossing business from the Conco/Phillps gas stations then they might get the message??

 

[carina71]

Okla. is a right to carry state and you can carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle. The legislature passed a bill that would bar employers from restricting employee's from having a weapon in there locked vehicle in the Company parking lot. Conco/Phillps is one of the two or three companies that have filed a lawsuit trying to block that law from taking effect. I don't care how they trade gasoline. If they start lossing business from the Conco/Phillps gas stations then they might get the message??

In OK, is there not a conceal and carry permit required in order for people to LEGALLY carry concealed firearms? In AK you have to undergo training coarses in order to receive a conceal and carry permit, which I like better than just any non-felon to be able to legally carry a concealed firearm.

I know I have moved away from your topic a bit, but I know nothing of OK laws.

 

[Kanab]

Go here they have all the info for all of the states www.packing.org

 

[benhar]

So, Conoco/Phillips (according to the NRA) is not going to prohibit employees abiding with the conceal and carry laws from having firearms in their vehicles.

I read it as they WANT to prohibit employees from having firearms in their vehicles. Is that right Pitbull?

 

[carina71]

I don't think my brain is firing on all cylinders today. I think I'm confusing everyone including myself. I'll be back later, hopefully more functional.

 

[Kanab]

I read it as they WANT to prohibit employees from having firearms in their vehicles. Is that right Pitbull?

That's right. It started at Whirlpool manufacture had a drug search in their parking lot and had employees open up their vehicles for a drug search. Well it was deer season and some employees had rifles (legally) in there trucks (the company had a unknown policy that prohibited weapons on company property). The company fired them, one with 25 years with the company, didn't go down very well in OKLA. So the legislature passed a law agains't this type of company policy and that is when Conoco/Phillips filed the lawsuit before the law went into affect.

 

[carina71]

Pitbull

Okay, okay, NOW this time I think I see where you are coming from. From the link you provided (in quotes)


Here is the law that was BLOCKED by the Oklahoma Federal Judge:

"HB2122 passed and was signed by the Governor. This new law allows Permit/License holders to carry onto private parking lots their concealed firearm and store it in their locked vehicle. The Bill States, "No person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity shall be permitted to establish any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person, except a convicted felon, from transporting and storing firearms in a locked vehicle on any property set aside for any vehicle." The law becomes effective 11/1/04. This law has been blocked by a Federal Judge. Until the court rules this law is null and void. Will update everyone when the court rules."

So, Conoco/Phillips (according to the NRA) played a part in blocking the new law stated above.

In Oklahoma you must have a conceal and carry permit to legally carry and conceal a firearm.

To obtain a permit in Oklahoma a non-felon person must:

"Request and receive an application packet; 1/800/207-6724
Read and become knowledgeable of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act;
Complete the required firearms safety and training class or apply for and receive an exemption;
GENERAL APPLICANTS -- the original certificate received from the certified firearms instructor upon completion of the required safety and training course must be included with your application;
FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR APPLICANTS -- A copy of your certificate is acceptable;
APPLICANTS RECEIVING A TRAINING EXEMPTION -- you must include the original exemption certificate;
Complete the application form and attach two (2) color, passport style photographs;
Take the completed application, photographs, required fees, and the blank fingerprint cards found in the application packet to the Sheriff’s Office in the county where he or she resides."

However, because the above law (HB2122) was blocked, it is difficult for a person to know where it is and is not legal to carry their firearm in Oklahoma.

Good luck with the boycott. It will be difficult for me to do the same as there is only Conoco/Phillips gasoline at the Gas stations here. Guess I could always drive less…

 

[Kanab]

However, because the above law (HB2122) was blocked, it is difficult for a person to know where it is and is not legal to carry their firearm in Oklahoma.


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You still can carry if you have a permit and have your gun in the company parking lot (that's legal) but if you work there and your company wants to search your car and you refuse I guess they can fire you and if you let them search it and they find a gun they can fire you if they have a rule agains't that. But when the law goes into effect they then could not by law prohibit the employee from having a concealed weapon in the vehicle. Example I don't work at conoco and if I was parked in the lot and I did allow them to search my truck (which I never would) and they found a concealed weapon there is nothing they could do to me, even though this bill is held up by the fed's. This bill just protects employees from over agressive company policies. Hope that clears it up.

PS- got to be other gas stations. I buy from a local independant now.

 

[carina71]

I hope they unblock that law (HB2122).

I am really surprised that ConocoPhillips has taken the stand that they have.

I am not a big gun lover or hater. But for the work that I do it is a necessary tool of trade.

As much as I would like to boycott ConocoPhillips with you the problem that I have in doing this is that (as far as I know) there is ONLY ConocoPhillips gasoline in Alaska. i.e. no gasoline is imported into Alaska, only exported, by ConocoPhillips, who operate the North Slope Alaska petroleum fields, and refine it near Fairbanks.

Whether I buy my gas here from Fred Meyer, Sam's Club, Holiday, or whomever, it is still ConocoPhillips gas because it is too expensive for the independents to import gasoline from other sources.

Nevertheless, I will not be going to a ConocoPhillips gas station to buy gas. Heck I've never even seen one in Fairbanks.

I hope CP comes to their senses.

 

[Kanab]

I hope they unblock that law (HB2122).

I am really surprised that ConocoPhillips has taken the stand that they have.

I am not a big gun lover or hater. But for the work that I do it is a necessary tool of trade.

As much as I would like to boycott ConocoPhillips with you the problem that I have in doing this is that (as far as I know) there is ONLY ConocoPhillips gasoline in Alaska. i.e. no gasoline is imported into Alaska, only exported, by ConocoPhillips, who operate the North Slope Alaska petroleum fields, and refine it near Fairbanks.

Whether I buy my gas here from Fred Meyer, Sam's Club, Holiday, or whomever, it is still ConocoPhillips gas because it is too expensive for the independents to import gasoline from other sources.

Nevertheless, I will not be going to a ConocoPhillips gas station to buy gas. Heck I've never even seen one in Fairbanks.

I hope CP comes to their senses.

Very interesting I did not know this. I think most of these kind of protests have little or no effect on the big companies. Just doing it myself because it makes me feel better. If I was one of though employees I would carry concealed in my vehicle (with a carry permit) and if they wanted to get into my car they would have to have a search warranty. If they wanted to fire me I would sue there butt. Or if there was something in my employment contract that required me to submit to a search of my vehicle on company property and carrying concealed was that important then I would park my vehicle off company property and walk a couple of blocks.

 

[carina71]

Very interesting I did not know this. I think most of these kind of protests have little or no effect on the big companies. Just doing it myself because it makes me feel better. If I was one of though employees I would carry concealed in my vehicle (with a carry permit) and if they wanted to get into my car they would have to have a search warranty. If they wanted to fire me I would sue there butt. Or if there was something in my employment contract that required me to submit to a search of my vehicle on company property and carrying concealed was that important then I would park my vehicle off company property and walk a couple of blocks.

Well the way I see it, the law in OKlahoma sucks as it is. If a person with a carry and conceal permit did have a concealed firearm in their car in the CP parking lot (and they were an employee). They may not have any rights to privacy (depends on company policy and employee signed contract). Thus, their car might be able to be searched without a warrant, as it is on company property; and if the gun was found, a possible FELONY charge/conviction--no more legal firearms for that (now terminated) employee.

Further, what about the average joe with a carry and conceal permit in OK? What if he parked at a shopping mall, and the mall had a policy (unknown to him) of no firearms. Lets say he locked his keys in the car. The security guard see's him trying to get into his car with a coat hanger and decides to help. So once the car is open, the security guard wants to be sure he did not help a car thief get into someone else's car, and demands to see the registration, which is in the glove compartment, with his gun.... I think you can see where I am going.

The law needs to be unblocked!

Continue with your boycott. It will at least make ME feel better.

 

[01+05 ltd]

Guns and refineries

Does anyone really feel like they need to or should carry a gun in a refinery?

Wake up folks!

I work for an oil company, we will fire our employees for bringing fire arms to work. However we do have a very nice hunting lodge that we enjoy taking our guns to! Right time, right place.

By the way, when you go onto their property they do have the right to search your vehicle. When you hire on to the company, you will sign an agreement to that. If you do not like the policy they will not hire you.

 

[Kanab]

Re: Guns and refineries

Does anyone really feel like they need to or should carry a gun in a refinery?

Wake up folks!

I work for an oil company, we will fire our employees for bringing fire arms to work. However we do have a very nice hunting lodge that we enjoy taking our guns to! Right time, right place.

By the way, when you go onto their property they do have the right to search your vehicle. When you hire on to the company, you will sign an agreement to that. If you do not like the policy they will not hire you.

Man everyone has this screwed up. Let me try and explain this again. In OKla. if you have a concealed carry permit you can carry a weapon loaded in your vehicle, no matter where your vehicle is, period. I am not talking about carrying a concealed weapon into the building. The law changes the employers right to fire you if they do search your vehicle and find a weapon as long as you are carrying it legally. This new law supports the "peoples right" and takes away the right for an employer to dictate public policy. Example if your wife worked the night shift and she had a concealed carry permit so she would have a loaded gun in her vehicle when she drove home late at night (for her personal protection). It is her legal right to have this weapon and the state is saying that just because an employer wants to exclude weapons on there property that they don't have that right, and that is the law right now in OKla. they added to that law with this new law that now states that even if the employer has you sign a contract when they hire you that they can search your vehicle that they can not fire you for having a legal weapon in your vehicle. This company policy can't over ride a persons legal rights. I hope that makes it clear???

 

[Kanab]

Re: Guns and refineries

By the way, when you go onto their property they do have the right to search your vehicle. When you hire on to the company, you will sign an agreement to that. If you do not like the policy they will not hire you.

I guess you are right if you are an employee and you sign an agreement but not true if say I was a vendor, salesman, etc. They would have to obtain a search warrant and to get one they would have to have cause. Same goes for my body, if they don't have a metal detector they have no right to search me for anything. Now if they don't like my looks they can ask me to leave Bottom line my rights don't end when I walk onto your companys property, as long as it is accessable by the public. In Missouri a business has a right to put up a sign requesting no one carry concealed weapons into their business. They have to put up a sign that is a certain size for it to be legal. Now if you ignore the sign they can ask you to leave, (of course I don't know how they would know you were armed?) if you don't leave they can call the police and have them ask you to leave if you still don't want to leave you can be arrested for trespassing and if you are armed you will also receive a $25 fine, the first time and a $50 fine the second time and $100 fine the third time, no jail time etc. Basically it is a law with no teeth, since even if you have a sign up "how are they going to know you have a concealed weapon"??? It's concealed, and since they can't search you they would never know to tell you to leave. It's kind of stupid!!! Like I said law with no teeth.

 

[ToyotaDoodz]

In addition, to provide some background as to how we got to where we are, even before the concealed carry permit law went into effect you could carry an unloaded gun in your vehicle as long as the shells/cartridges were not accessible at the same time.

The very first large OK employer to start banning weapons on their property prior to the concealed carry law was the US Post Office. Remember this . .

The 1st "Official" Postal Incident
On August 20, 1986, in Edmond, Oklahoma, a man named Patrick Sherrill shot and killed 15 fellow postal employees in less than 10 minutes.

Patrick Sherrill reported to work that morning at the Edmond post office dressed in his regular blue uniform and mail bag. Except this time, he was carrying two .45 caliber pistols and a .22 caliber handgun plus over 300 rounds of ammunition.

His first victim was his shift supervisor, Richard Esser, Jr. It was reported that Sherrill calmly walked up to him and let him have it in the chest at close range. He then proceeded to get off more than 50 rounds into 14 other employees. It ended when Sherrill made himself the final target and committed suicide.

Patrick Sherrill has been credited with starting the concept known as "Going Postal"

Later, the Columbine incident caused that to change on OK school property. No weapons of any king on school land no matter if it belonged to a parent or whomever. Many students expelled for driving parents vehicles that had guns in them. Then 911 caused employers to start creating rules and policies about weapons on their property and in their buildings.

 

[Kanab]

Toyotadoodz, all of these new rules are real stupid just helps the bad guy. Does anyone think that a criminal follows the rules? All you do is disarm the law abiding citizen, which makes sure that if someone does come into a business with bad intent they are assured that they won't have a problem killing everyone since they will be the only armed person. You never read of many criminals trying to rob a "gun" shop do you

 

[ToyotaDoodz]

I agree with you.

 

[benhar]

Toyotadoodz, all of these new rules are real stupid just helps the bad guy. Does anyone think that a criminal follows the rules? All you do is disarm the law abiding citizen, which makes sure that if someone does come into a business with bad intent they are assured that they won't have a problem killing everyone since they will be the only armed person. You never read of many criminals trying to rob a "gun" shop do you

That's a good point. In Kennesaw, Georgia, they passed a law in the early 80's that required heads of households (with exceptions) to have at least one gun in their home. Over the next year crime against people dropped 74%, dropped even more the next year, and stayed low. If a criminal knows someone probably has a gun in their home or car, they will move to a safer target. You're not going to hear about that in the media because it goes against what they want us to believe.