So, you've all gone and gotten tires already. So far, the Coopers have been OK. I've been using the 4R to haul my little trailer and I did get to take the family for some light off-roading where they stuck to wet marsh grass on steep little berms. Still not many miles but they feel good, are relatively quiet, and they're paid for. Not a bad budget tire. I'll beat them up some more and make another report.