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Not bad. I'd ask the owner if the radiator was replaced at the same time.

I'd be shooting for no more than $7000, but I know the PNW area commands more $$$.
 
Not bad. I'd ask the owner if the radiator was replaced at the same time.

I'd be shooting for no more than $7000, but I know the PNW area commands more $$$.

You suspect a possible milkshake? I thought replacing the trani at <150K was not that common?

Yea, I'm thinking about $7K too. Freaking 4Runner market up here is way too hot.
 
All used cars make me nervous. Glad I bought mine new so I know the history. It did cost $33k though so that sucked. If it had the trans/radiator milkshake, then replacing the transmission and radiator would pretty much fix the problem. I would be more concerned about the work being done properly and a good transmission was installed. Looks like a nice one if it checks out.

If I had lots of money, I would probably do the same. But I don't borrow money (live like no one else) and I definitely don't buy new cars, though I completely agree with your concern.

I'm gonna try to take a look at it this week. But it has everything I want!!! Cloth seats, sunroof, 4x4 :guitar3:
 
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Looks like a keeper, do some research into what happened with the tranny and check that the radiator is good or replaced. I'd also guess that it pink milkshake'd and killed the trans.

As for the price, it's spot on for a PNW rig. Negotiate down as much as you can but I'd jump on that one. Hell, if that was available when I bought mine I would have jumped on it.
 
Thoughts?

1999 4runner

I've been waiting on a Highlander for a long time, and this could be it. Although the transmission replacement does raise some concerns.

It is just my opinion but it is way over priced. It is an area where there is a lost of salts and my guess is that it has to have some rust at least on the undercarriage. I suppose it depends on how bad you want this vehicle but I would not go above 5000.00 cash less if possible.
Here is one in Maine for 4000.00
99 Toyota 4 Runner SR5 auto,130k mi,auto

Here is another one in Ohio
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/ctd/3710793666.html

Here is one super charged although over priced.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/3716374578.html

Another
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/3773718621.html
 
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It is just my opinion but it is way over priced. It is an area where there is a lost of salts and my guess is that it has to have some rust at least on the undercarriage. I suppose it depends on how bad you want this vehicle but I would not go above 5000.00 cash.
Here is one in Maine for 4000.00
99 Toyota 4 Runner SR5 auto,130k mi,auto

+1

I was thinking the same thing. Heck I just bought my '99 back in September and paid $5,000 (Limited, 4x4). Granted it had 190k miles, but still...
 
If I had lots of money, I would probably do the same. But I don't borrow money (live like no one else) and I definitely don't buy new cars, though I completely agree with your concern.

I'm gonna try to take a look at it this week. But it has everything I want!!! Cloth seats, sunroof, 4x4 :guitar3:

well its nice to know theres another dave fan here...

I was 29 when I bought it new. Now Im 40 and still driving it. I will keep it until the thing dies and I may go first before it does. If Im buying something mechanical or electrical and I know Im keeping it for a long period of time then I buy new stuff. With that said, Im probably the cheapest person you would ever meet.

yeah but if you had bought the same rig just a year or two old, you would of not paid the 20-30% extra inflation that you lost the moment you drove it home from the dealer with that new car smell.... $8k is a lot to pay for that new car smell...

It is just my opinion but it is way over priced. It is an area where there is a lost of salts and my guess is that it has to have some rust at least on the undercarriage. I suppose it depends on how bad you want this vehicle but I would not go above 5000.00 cash less if possible.
Here is one in Maine for 4000.00
99 Toyota 4 Runner SR5 auto,130k mi,auto

Here is another one in Ohio
1999 TOYOTA 4RUNNER 4DR SR5 3.4L AUTO 4WD

Here is one super charged although over priced.
Supercharged 5spd 4runner

while yes i think its over priced its defiantly not outrageous for the PNW. and i would be there would be little to no rust on that. we do not salt the roads up here, we use a chemical de-icer, that is in no way shape or form as corrosive as salt. in ohio or maine they may salt the roads, but not here in the PNW -oregon washington idaho.



its funny how some people are. i have had my runner up for sale for the past month -i dont want to sell and dont need to sell, just looking to switch to something new, like a 100series LC... anyhow i have had my rig on cl in the portland area, and was taking offers on it, people would call or text or email asking questions, and asking me what my price was, i told them i was open to offers or trades but no body wanted to offer me more than $6k. i laughed at that guy and told him to get lost, after that when someone asked was i wanted and i told them that i had turned down a $6k offer no one would reply back... yes i think the fact that my truck has mods, like a winch and bumper, snorkel and other upgrades like suspension and wheels/tires makes it more valuable. also the fact that i have binder thats close to 2" thick full of records from day one. -it was dealer maintained for the first 180k mi, and was owned by a woman who commuted 130+ miles a day in it, she was a sales person for the dealer where it was bought.

now most everyone else wont agree with me on this and i can see your point, sure things like tires and wheels are a personal choice, and dont really add value(in some cases they can subtract value just as much or more so than they can add it), more over they are simply just items that sustain its value or keep it running. -you dont get more for you vehicle just because you use amsoil as apposed to the wal-mart brand do you? how about say if you run premium gas as apposed to regualr... but to me the fact that i know the history on this rig makes it more valuable to me than something else say like a newer 2002 sport edition with less miles on it. -also for someone who is looking to have a rig that looks nice and is capable and wants to show of or pose, but yet doesnt know how to do the work him self, then my rig is just what they are looking for, but they are going to have to pay for it. thats the way i look at it.

do i think the market is inflated up here? yes. but i also think its very jaded as well. there is a fairly high demand for them in the PNW, and being as though 95% of the ones out here are rust free and in good shape those of us who own one want what its worth. just cause you guys back east or in the midwest dont want to pay more than $5k for you supercharged 99 highlanders with the 5spd and a elocker and 180k miles doesnt mean that that same rig -only minus the rust out here wont fetch another $4k easily. -as we all know these trucks are capable of running 400k+ miles if taken care of. but salt is any cars number one enemy -number two is politicians (just like guns).

2002 4x4 Toyota 4Runner

this one is from back east, i can tell by all the rust, i stopped and looked at this one last weekend on the way home from a beach trip with some friends. its clean as clean can get on the exterior and interior, but the chassis is ate up something bad for the west coast, still not as bad as some of the ones i have seen from you guys back east though, but its not from around here originally. this is a trend i have been starting to see more and more. people will buy death bed runners back east for next to nothing, clean them up a little, roll back the odometer 40+k mi and then shoot some black paint over the chassis to hide the rust(just like the one i linked above) and then sell them for double and even tripple what they paid for them. also bringing the vehicle from out of state they can "wash" the title -meaning that if it had a salvaged, reconstructed, or branded title they could not disclose that when they bring it into the state and it would not transfer over(if they do it "correctly" and they know how to do it) and they would get a new clean title for a vehicle. most private sellers dont carfax, and to be honest carfax isnt all that accurate anyways, as i have seen several vehicles that have clear carfaxes but yet i can tell they have been hit, and hit hard.

just my thoughts.

but to the OP, yeah id take a look at it if it checks out it could be worth itbut i would try and talk them down to at least $7k
 
You can get good deals on new stuff. I went by the dealer everyday after work for about 4 months and watched it sit on the lot. I looked at all the used 4Runners that at the time were still in the $22,000-24,000 range. The new one I bought had a sticker of $33,000. Well after the 911 attacks in 2001, car prices plumeted. I rode by one day and it had $6500 off on the windsheild. So I paid $27,000 and they gave me $6000 for a Ford Explorer with 120000 miles. It was worth maybe $3800 if I sold it or traded for a used one.

So I paid
$33,000 (-$6500;-$2200) = $25,000 new
and the used ones were around $23,000.

You can get alot of that 20% loss back if you are patient, have good credit or cash and play the "game" with the salesman.


touche! good job on the legal theft of a the markups that dealers impose on us the consumers!
 
Thanks guys, I appreciate all of this input. And to all of you midwest/east coast people, it's nothing personal, but I tend to avoid listings from those areas. Not all of them, but a good majority have serious rust issues that you would never be able to tell from the CL photos. As for the price, it's not great, but it's not terrible considering the low mileage. Take a look at Portland craigslist 4Runners and be the judge for yourself. All things considered, I'll probably stick to an offer around $7K, pending an inspection (though Castle Rock is about an hour away.)

@Bump, I hate payments of any kind with a burning passion. If you have the $30,000 cash and can afford to take the hit in depreciation, that's great. I can afford neither, plus I love my Camry that I paid $4,300 cash for. I don't owe anyone a dime, and I know it will serve me well for a very long time.

@kid, Debt free and lovin' it man!!!!! I'm really surprised though you haven't had a huge response of good offers on your rig. It seems like there's a big demand for true off road 4Runners around here.

So here's another question: Since it's highly unlikely that this guy has a binder full of maintenance logs, what do I need to be on the lookout for? Obviously cosmetics, rust, radiator/trani replacement and signs of damage are the main lookouts, but what else should I be looking for? What should I be focusing on during test drive/initial inspection?
 
It is just my opinion but it is way over priced. It is an area where there is a lost of salts and my guess is that it has to have some rust at least on the undercarriage. I suppose it depends on how bad you want this vehicle but I would not go above 5000.00 cash less if possible.
Here is one in Maine for 4000.00
99 Toyota 4 Runner SR5 auto,130k mi,auto

Here is another one in Ohio
1999 TOYOTA 4RUNNER 4DR SR5 3.4L AUTO 4WD

Here is one super charged although over priced.
Supercharged 5spd 4runner

Another
2000 Toyota 4Runner 4WD: One Owner

Price really isn't very far off for the area. Bought mine with 183k and a tore up drivers seat for 4500, and it was one of the better ones I looked at in the price range.
 
Not bad. I'd ask the owner if the radiator was replaced at the same time.

I'd be shooting for no more than $7000, but I know the PNW area commands more $$$.

well its nice to know theres another dave fan here...



yeah but if you had bought the same rig just a year or two old, you would of not paid the 20-30% extra inflation that you lost the moment you drove it home from the dealer with that new car smell.... $8k is a lot to pay for that new car smell...



while yes i think its over priced its defiantly not outrageous for the PNW. and i would be there would be little to no rust on that. we do not salt the roads up here, we use a chemical de-icer, that is in no way shape or form as corrosive as salt. in ohio or maine they may salt the roads, but not here in the PNW -oregon washington idaho.



its funny how some people are. i have had my runner up for sale for the past month -i dont want to sell and dont need to sell, just looking to switch to something new, like a 100series LC... anyhow i have had my rig on cl in the portland area, and was taking offers on it, people would call or text or email asking questions, and asking me what my price was, i told them i was open to offers or trades but no body wanted to offer me more than $6k. i laughed at that guy and told him to get lost, after that when someone asked was i wanted and i told them that i had turned down a $6k offer no one would reply back... yes i think the fact that my truck has mods, like a winch and bumper, snorkel and other upgrades like suspension and wheels/tires makes it more valuable. also the fact that i have binder thats close to 2" thick full of records from day one. -it was dealer maintained for the first 180k mi, and was owned by a woman who commuted 130+ miles a day in it, she was a sales person for the dealer where it was bought.

now most everyone else wont agree with me on this and i can see your point, sure things like tires and wheels are a personal choice, and dont really add value(in some cases they can subtract value just as much or more so than they can add it), more over they are simply just items that sustain its value or keep it running. -you dont get more for you vehicle just because you use amsoil as apposed to the wal-mart brand do you? how about say if you run premium gas as apposed to regualr... but to me the fact that i know the history on this rig makes it more valuable to me than something else say like a newer 2002 sport edition with less miles on it. -also for someone who is looking to have a rig that looks nice and is capable and wants to show of or pose, but yet doesnt know how to do the work him self, then my rig is just what they are looking for, but they are going to have to pay for it. thats the way i look at it.

do i think the market is inflated up here? yes. but i also think its very jaded as well. there is a fairly high demand for them in the PNW, and being as though 95% of the ones out here are rust free and in good shape those of us who own one want what its worth. just cause you guys back east or in the midwest dont want to pay more than $5k for you supercharged 99 highlanders with the 5spd and a elocker and 180k miles doesnt mean that that same rig -only minus the rust out here wont fetch another $4k easily. -as we all know these trucks are capable of running 400k+ miles if taken care of. but salt is any cars number one enemy -number two is politicians (just like guns).

2002 4x4 Toyota 4Runner

this one is from back east, i can tell by all the rust, i stopped and looked at this one last weekend on the way home from a beach trip with some friends. its clean as clean can get on the exterior and interior, but the chassis is ate up something bad for the west coast, still not as bad as some of the ones i have seen from you guys back east though, but its not from around here originally. this is a trend i have been starting to see more and more. people will buy death bed runners back east for next to nothing, clean them up a little, roll back the odometer 40+k mi and then shoot some black paint over the chassis to hide the rust(just like the one i linked above) and then sell them for double and even tripple what they paid for them. also bringing the vehicle from out of state they can "wash" the title -meaning that if it had a salvaged, reconstructed, or branded title they could not disclose that when they bring it into the state and it would not transfer over(if they do it "correctly" and they know how to do it) and they would get a new clean title for a vehicle. most private sellers dont carfax, and to be honest carfax isnt all that accurate anyways, as i have seen several vehicles that have clear carfaxes but yet i can tell they have been hit, and hit hard.

just my thoughts.

but to the OP, yeah id take a look at it if it checks out it could be worth itbut i would try and talk them down to at least $7k

Without insulting the guy, do you think $7K is a decent offer? Maybe $6.5K? I don't want to get greedy here, but I have a feeling I'm gonna need to do the timing belt/WP service.
 
Without insulting the guy, do you think $7K is a decent offer? Maybe $6.5K? I don't want to get greedy here, but I have a feeling I'm gonna need to do the timing belt/WP service.

that would depend a lot on the rest of the condition of the truck... i mean if the rest of it is clean, there are no really obvious dents or scratches in the pain/body, the interior is in good shape, no rust(if its been a PNW vehicle it should be next to none), and if they have any records then 7 would be fair. they dont say if it has the locking diff or not, if it does thats gonna be a good deal for $7k, and if they said yes to $7, i would jump and drive home in it if the rest of it is as good as the pics suggest. a TB/WP isnt that hard of a job, ive done two in the past 6months and the second was was like a 4hr job start to finish with taking pics along the way. but if your gonna pay a shop to do it it could easily be a $500+ job depending on what you have them change while they are doing it.

while $6.5k would be a killer deal for you the seller might take that as an insult and tell you to go pound sand and not want to budge. but it all depends on how motivated they are to sell i guess. i f you could get it for 6500 that would be a killer price, that would only be 1500 more than i paid for mine, with a bunch less miles on it and two years newer, if you ask me id buy it for 6500 in a heart beat even if it had fair interior and a few dings.
 
Preachin to the choir my friend. Im lookin for a cheap car too so I can get the runner in the air. I never had a payment on the 4runner. I lived with my parents until I was 27. Saved up enough money to put 20% down on a house, payed off student loans and bought the 4Runner. And like I said, the 4Runner cost the same new as the used ones back in 2002.

Dude, you freakin' rock! :guitar3: Hoping to do something similar, bite the bullet and stay home for a while.

that would depend a lot on the rest of the condition of the truck... i mean if the rest of it is clean, there are no really obvious dents or scratches in the pain/body, the interior is in good shape, no rust(if its been a PNW vehicle it should be next to none), and if they have any records then 7 would be fair. they dont say if it has the locking diff or not, if it does thats gonna be a good deal for $7k, and if they said yes to $7, i would jump and drive home in it if the rest of it is as good as the pics suggest. a TB/WP isnt that hard of a job, ive done two in the past 6months and the second was was like a 4hr job start to finish with taking pics along the way. but if your gonna pay a shop to do it it could easily be a $500+ job depending on what you have them change while they are doing it.

while $6.5k would be a killer deal for you the seller might take that as an insult and tell you to go pound sand and not want to budge. but it all depends on how motivated they are to sell i guess. i f you could get it for 6500 that would be a killer price, that would only be 1500 more than i paid for mine, with a bunch less miles on it and two years newer, if you ask me id buy it for 6500 in a heart beat even if it had fair interior and a few dings.

Yea, that $500 difference is not a big deal for me. If it's in great shape, I'll definitely pay up for it. As for the e-locker, my guess is that it probably doesn't, though it doesn't really matter to me as I won't be off roading too much. The occasional trail, snow, and beaches really.

Is the TB/WP really that easy? I know there are plenty of good guides here, but I thought the process was pretty unforgiving if you made a mistake of any kind? I'm a big time DIY guy and like to take things apart, but didn't feel confident enough about a task like this. I've been debating on trying it on my Camry...

UPDATE: So I texted the guy yesterday afternoon to see it, and he said someone was already taking a look at it that night and would let me know if it was still available :cry2: Here's to hoping that it is!
 
well the one i did on my neighbors tacoma, i got wrong, didnt have the marks lined up right(it had been a few years sense i had done one), and so i wasnt sure what mark was the right one on the crank... well i got the wrong one. no biggie though, we put it all back together(not knowing it was wrong) and he started it right up, no issues. drove it to work for a couple days, and could tell something wasnt right, the exhaust note was different, and it didnt have all its normal power, but there was no CEL. anyhow he stopped by my house told me and so the next weekend we tore into it again reset the belt and was good as new! these are non-interference motors, meaning that if the belt breaks or is installed wrong it will not hurt the motor, it just wont run or wont run right... realistically i would only change the water pump and thermostat with the timing belt, as long as you dont have and seals leaking when you pull the cover off. i had 250k on my runner when i changed the belt(only changed it because the water pump starting pee) and it was the 3rd belt(1st being the one i came with), it looked almost brand new but i had a new OE belt and that one was a napa belt that the previous owner has installed so i just replaced it. anyhow no seals were leaking or looked questionable so i just left it at a belt, water pump and thermostat. -my father inlaw is a senior tech for a toyota dealer in oregon, and he said that they only change the seals if the customer specifically states thats what they want, or their is an issue. most of the time when the customer states the want it done its because some service writer has push the sale of the work and makes money that way, and the customer is ignorant of the need or lack there of...
 
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So the plot thickens. The guy didn't sell the Runner last night because of something that came up on carfax. He then sent me this picture from the report:
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He doesn't know the nature of the damage, but the car is still clean title. Is this high time just to walk away, or could it have been a minor fender bender not worth sweating over?
 

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