Dealer wants $2400 to fix timing cover leak....

I've always been super anal about leaks in all the vehicles I have owned. Currently at 235k in my 03 v8 and no runs, drips, or errors anywhere.
That being said, I have learned on other vehicles that a small amount of oil can make it look like a big problem with the way it spreads around the area of the leak. At that mileage, if you're not having to add oil between changes, I would let it go.
 
Welcome to the cost of owning a timing chain motor. You may be able to find a bit cheaper place on the labor, but you're still probably talking around the $1500~2000 range with an independent shop (you didn't say whether or not the cover itself is being quoted in the price, I assume it isn't since I think the dealership wants something like $800 for just the cover portion.) The front timing cover on a Timing Chain engine is more labor intensive than a timing belt motor and typically reflects that with a higher labor cost (though a comparatively lower amount of times it should/needs to be resealed/serviced when compared to a timing belt motor.)

You're basically removing the oil pan, the front of the engine, all associated components, then reassembling, and resealing all that back up. This means an oil change, coolant flush, probably a water pump wouldn't be a bad option since its coming off anyways, FIPG (Form In Place Gasket) for sealing, checking the components under the cover, ect. While you've got the cover off it would not be a bad idea to have the timing chain inspected for stretching/wear as you should be doing that after about 100k (they do stretch/wear over time and that means new chain, guides, gears, ect. but usually that's in the 200k~300k+ range)

Its on the more expensive side for a timing chain reseal (It is dealer pricing after all), but be glad you don't have a 2GR-FE (3.5L V6) transverse engine where the entire engine has to be dropped to do the job (even more labor.) This is the inherited cost of a timing chain motor, longer service intervals for some components, but very expensive in labor and cost when they do wear out.

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Switching over to a 2UZ-FE (4.7L V8) will be a bit more difficult as you will need an ECM as well as an immobilizer module (I don't know if you can seed a 1GR-FE (4.0L V6) Immobilizer for a 2UZ-FE ECM, depends on how lenient Toyota was in that department), the 4WD module may not like the 2UZ-FE module also (I haven't heard anyone try and put the Part-Time 4WD set-up in a V8 so I can't say how well it'd work), as well as some of the other associated components (these are more bits and parts like having new mounts made if needed, hoses, fittings, wiring, ect.) In the end while the motor would be about $2500, the ancillary costs would make the swap expensive. Conversely if you're swapping in another 1GR-FE, you need to make sure its the same year as there is a difference between some years that was never properly explained by Toyota (one member mentioned newer 1GR-FE's in the 4th Gens had a 3 wire Camshaft Position sensor and different VVTi assemblies and this caused an issue with getting the engine to run right for him.)

After reading this, I am soo glad I have the V8!

OP, I wish you the best of luck!
 
I went to the dealer for the passenger side airbag recall on my 2011 SR5 and they said I have a timing cover leak. They said when checking the oil it was “low” but when I checked it was full since I got an oil change a week ago. Felt really shady on what was going on. Also, when checking around the area I see no leak. 4Runner is at 103k miles. Any suggestions on this would be much appreciated

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2011 SR5 Toyota 4Runner
 
I got the timing cover fixed. I got quotes from 4 Toyota dealerships in Austin. Charles Maund Toyota quoted me $1864. Round Rock Toyota $2100. Lost Pines Toyota $2000 which included new water pump. Toyota of Cedar Park sent me mailer with a bunch of discounts on service, one of which was 15% off a 2nd opinion on service. I drove out to Cedar Park and showed them my printed quotes from Charles Maund Toyota. They matched their price plus 15% off. I thought WOW! I called Round Rock Toyota and emailed their service manager the quotes I got from Cedar Park and Charles Maund and asked him if he could match the other plus the 15% off. He agreed! So I paid $1500 for the timing cover at Round Rock Toyota. I bought the water pump, serpentine belt, and thermostat from Camelback Toyota online which also saved me a lot of money. I also decided to have the transmission fluid completed changed out. That was $325. I had the tires rotated and rented a car for a day. I changed out the power steering fluid myself. Next on my list is a brake fluid change. It's never been changed. Oops.

My advice to anyone doing elective service is to shop around. Get 3 or 4 quotes or wait until you get a coupon from a dealership if you want to go that route. I have used an independent Toyota shop for some work as well. You can also buy your genuine Toyota parts online much cheaper than what the dealership charges you. Dealerships charge you MSRP for parts. For example, the dealership is quoting me $348 for a XREAS shock. Camelback Toyota online charges $230 for that same part. Say what??? Yes, if you can wait for the work to be done, get the part numbers and find the parts much cheaper online.

Thanks for the great info. I'm in Austin with the twin to your 4Runner and was told today when I took mine in to Maund for the side-curtain airbag recall that it has the "dreaded" timing cover leak. I've never had any oil on the floor and never need to add between changes, so I declined their kind offer to fix it for $2,344 (or maybe under $2k with a discount). I'll be at 190K by the end of this month (January 2020).

By the way, when my XREAS started failing several years back, I went with the Bilstein 5100 swap and continue to be pleased with the result. The whole set cost me less than one XREAS shock.
 
Toyota service information says to pull the oil pan, which on a 4x4 means pulling the diff or pulling the engine...that adds a lot of hours to the job. You don't need to pull the pan or the diff to reseal the timing cover.

Pull the intake plenum, valve covers, alternator, fan, slide the PS pump and AC compressor out of the way, pull the AC bracket and balancer pulley. There are 4 oil pan bolts that go into the front cover that need to come out, but then the cover comes off.

Reinstallation with the oil pan on requires some care...there is a oil suction O-ring that goes between the pan and the front cover that requires a bit of care not to screw up, but it can be done this way, and is done this way all the time. Last one I did took me about 5 hours with replacing the timing chains.

For anyone that runs into this in the future, this is correct. You can pull the timing cover pretty easily and inspect the timing chain while you're at it. I used FIPG from Toyota for resealing and it is worth the cost ($15-$20 per tube I think).

Before you put the cover back on, do a bunch of dry runs to make sure you can hold it steady while sliding it on the guide pins. It's not nearly as much work as the FSM says.
 
I did mine myself. I had the same leak you have. Apparently this was a problem for a few years of the 1gr-fe and toyota put a TSB out on it. Unfortunately it was a BS TSB and they would only cover the leak in the first 30k miles. There are some great youtube videos and online resources to do this yourself. I personally did not drop the oil pan. Also, I threw a new timing chain, guides and tensioner in because the chain had stretched a decent amount. Its been almost 20k since completion and no leaks.
 
Engine Timing Cover Seal and Crank Seal Part Number Help?

Hi,

Our mechanic found that :
-Looks as though the timing cover seals and gaskets are leaking and it is going down the block, making it look like the power steering pump and transmission are leaking.

We want to have them fix this....but we want them to use Toyota OEM parts. Could someone on this wonderful forum point me in the right direction for these part numbers? Should we do crank seal too?
We have a 2005 4.0 V6 4runner

Thank you for your help!
smilee03
new member
 
Hi,

Our mechanic found that :
-Looks as though the timing cover seals and gaskets are leaking and it is going down the block, making it look like the power steering pump and transmission are leaking.

We want to have them fix this....but we want them to use Toyota OEM parts. Could someone on this wonderful forum point me in the right direction for these part numbers? Should we do crank seal too?
We have a 2005 4.0 V6 4runner

Thank you for your help!
smilee03
new member

I have an 08 V6 but I assume the part numbers are the same. The timing cover seal is a FIPG (form in place gasket) type. The part number is 00295-00103. The front crankshaft seal part number is 90311-A0005. The service manual I have says to replace it.

The Toyota service manual also states to replace the following parts:
- oil pump o-ring (between the oil pan and timing cover)
- water pump gasket
- oil dipstick o-ring
- water inlet gasket
- water outlet pipe o-ring

I don't have those part number handy but a dealer could provide them easily. I would hope that your mechanic would know what parts need to be replaced for this job otherwise I might be concerned.
 
old thread but,

I've recently done my heads on my 1gr-fe and its not to bad to get to to the timing cover, there's is a good YouTube video for doing the heads that shows the steps and breaks down how easy it is without taking the oil pan off but re installing the cover is kind of a trick cause you have to make sure your oil pump grooves line up on the crank. I used the cheese wiz style sealer and it was drying quick so you gotta be ready for the hassle if you are having a tough time cause you are on the clock. where the head gasket meets the case, you have to put an extra amount on the seam there (intake side and exhaust sides on both heads) but other than that its pretty straight forward and since your there you might want to consider getting a new water pump or if you think yours is still good at least get a new water pump gasket.

did my heads for under $500 and got them resurfaced. I had to install the guide seals my self
 
Just got quoted $5k when I took my 06 4.0L in to get my timing cover leak looked at. This is everything that they were going to replace on the truck.

- Replace timing chains, guides, tensioners, seals, water pump, thermostat w/ gasket, fan clutch, serpentine belt tensioner, serpentine belt and radiator hoses. Includes resealing timing cover and oil pan. Includes time to clean off residual oil from engine.
- $2200 for labor and $2800 for parts, includes an oil change.
 
Just got quoted $5k when I took my 06 4.0L in to get my timing cover leak looked at. This is everything that they were going to replace on the truck.

- Replace timing chains, guides, tensioners, seals, water pump, thermostat w/ gasket, fan clutch, serpentine belt tensioner, serpentine belt and radiator hoses. Includes resealing timing cover and oil pan. Includes time to clean off residual oil from engine.
- $2200 for labor and $2800 for parts, includes an oil change.

If I was given that quote, I would 10000000% not trust them to do the job. That is crazy. Their markup on parts has to be pretty high. Was that at a dealer?
 
Geez. That's a lot.

How many miles on it and why would you be replacing all those parts? Please don't say "while you are in there." If you don't have timing issues, reseal the timing cover with FIPG, new gaskets (I believe there are two for the timing cover), front crankshaft seal, water pump (includes gasket) and a thermostat. Those parts could be had for probably $250 from an online dealer not including any labor.
 
Geez. That's a lot.

How many miles on it and why would you be replacing all those parts? Please don't say "while you are in there." If you don't have timing issues, reseal the timing cover with FIPG, new gaskets (I believe there are two for the timing cover), front crankshaft seal, water pump (includes gasket) and a thermostat. Those parts could be had for probably $250 from an online dealer not including any labor.

I have 190k miles and to be honest I'm not entirely sure if I have timing issues but the engine seems to run fine from what I can tell although I'm not a mechanic.

I'm not entirely sure if it was because they would "already be in there" but after talking with one of the shop guys they said that it would be better to replace it since they'd have the majority of the motor dismantled. This was from a reputable shop in my city and they are well known for working on Toyota Trucks/SUVs (4runner, land cruiser, tacoma, GS, GX, etc). It was a decent laundry list of parts though. I can DM a screenshot of the invoice if interested
 
I have 190k miles and to be honest I'm not entirely sure if I have timing issues but the engine seems to run fine from what I can tell although I'm not a mechanic.

I'm not entirely sure if it was because they would "already be in there" but after talking with one of the shop guys they said that it would be better to replace it since they'd have the majority of the motor dismantled. This was from a reputable shop in my city and they are well known for working on Toyota Trucks/SUVs (4runner, land cruiser, tacoma, GS, GX, etc). It was a decent laundry list of parts though. I can DM a screenshot of the invoice if interested

I think you will get varying answers here regarding if and when to replace the timing components while you are in there. 190k miles is not excessive for OEM timing components. I did the head gaskets on my 08 4.0L at 295k miles and did not replace any timing components. The service manual tells you how to measure all of them for wear. I was unable to measures the timing chains but checked sprockets and guides and they were still in spec at those miles.

I think the price they quoted you is high for labor. I wouldn't pay that. I would shop around. I would replace the items I mentioned earlier and call it a day.
 
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