Death by Keyless start

[cb1111]

How did his truck run all night? Most keyless starts only run for about ~15 mins and then turn on off. 15 minutes of a car running is not enough to kill someone from carbon monoxide poisoning. Something else going on with this story.

edit: after reading the story he must have had a limited model. Do limiteds not turn off after X minutes from the remote start?

This wasn't remote start. The owner just left the engine running - and it will keep running until the gas runs out.

The remotely started car (using the Toyota system) will shut down after 10 minutes - then restarts for another 10 minutes.

 

[808Keith]

You are confusing a remote starter with keyless start (push to start).

Then like I said.. it’s operator error.


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[cb1111]

Then like I said.. it’s operator error.


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Yes, this sad event had nothing to do with the starting system.

The owner drone his car into his garage, forgot to shut the engine off and closed the garage door.

The garage was not built to current building codes and there was no carbon monoxide alarm in the house.

 

[daytonaviolet]

i'll just leave this here.

 

[MRKNJS]

Keyless entry/Start is nice to have. Had it on my Lexus.

You can totally leave the car running and leave with the fob, the car has some dummy beeps that will let you know the fob isn't in there, but it'll run until you turn the car off or it runs out of gas.

Is it necessary? No, not really. Like someone said, definitely useful for women who keep keys in purses or other times when you have it in your backpack or bag.

Definitely operator error though. Dunno how you go about your day and not hear a car in the garage running...

 

[thennen]

Keyless entry/Start is nice to have. Had it on my Lexus.

You can totally leave the car running and leave with the fob, the car has some dummy beeps that will let you know the fob isn't in there, but it'll run until you turn the car off or it runs out of gas.

Is it necessary? No, not really. Like someone said, definitely useful for women who keep keys in purses or other times when you have it in your backpack or bag.

Definitely operator error though. Dunno how you go about your day and not hear a car in the garage running...

I know there are several things a dealer can program, such as unlocking all doors with one press of the unlock button instead of two. I wonder if a shutoff timer can be programmed for keyless start that would be similar to a remote start timeout. Anyone know?

 

[cb1111]

I know there are several things a dealer can program, such as unlocking all doors with one press of the unlock button instead of two. I wonder if a shutoff timer can be programmed for keyless start that would be similar to a remote start timeout. Anyone know?

Probably not as that would be against the regulations. Envision this scenario. Hubby and wife get into the car. Hubby is driving but wifey has the keys in her purse.

The wife gets out to go shopping while hubby drives to McDonalds to get a couple of cups of coffee.

He's driving through a busy intersection when the pre-programmed "no key in car" kicks in.

 

[thennen]

Probably not as that would be against the regulations. Envision this scenario. Hubby and wife get into the car. Hubby is driving but wifey has the keys in her purse.

The wife gets out to go shopping while hubby drives to McDonalds to get a couple of cups of coffee.

He's driving through a busy intersection when the pre-programmed "no key in car" kicks in.

Well, I’m referring to a timer that would be cancelled/disabled once the car is put in gear. So if the vehicle is started but not put into gear within 10 minutes (whatever), it shuts off, or sounds an alarm and shuts off some time afterward. If it is put into gear, timer is cancelled.

 

[Superjet]

Damn! This is an excellent idea!! It never dawned on me until you posted it here. Easy enough with techstream to add some fobs.

For me it's a 3 Toyota family and 3 fobs, never having the right fob for the right rig is a pita sometimes, no way am I carrying all 3 all the time.

The only downfall I can see is if you press the lock/unlock buttons on the fob itself it will do both cars, however I never use those buttons at all.

 

[wcjeep]

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[nglayton]

The only downfall I can see is if you press the lock/unlock buttons on the fob itself it will do both cars, however I never use those buttons at all.

Yes, but re-locking a locked car or locking an inadvertently left unlocked car isn't so bad.

If I remember correctly there is also a setting that will re-lock the fob unlocked car within 2 minutes if no one opens a door.

I think it's a win win

 

[Punjabi408]

My 4runner doesn't have this option but my wife's car does. The best feature I like about keyless entry is never having to take the key out to open the trunk. Also another helpful function is all the car settings (seats, mirrors, etc.) are saved to each key fob individually.

 

[Nervo19]

Don't judge the victims unless you've lived with the keyless system. I got a smoking deal on a new Tacoma in 2016. I would never have paid extra for it. You still have to carry a fob, what's so hard about using a key? I read another article that 36 people have died from keyless cars so far; most recently a couple in FL. People who don't have gas or oil heat don't tend to have CO detector in their homes. I'm not stupid but two times I've been in conversation with my passenger and pushed the button (not hard enough) and the truck has stayed running. What clued me in right away both times was that it would not lock. Obviously they wouldn't lock a car in their garage. A little bit of inattentiveness should not kill people. It's weird most of the deaths have been with Toyotas.

 

[MRKNJS]

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Definitely an issue, they work as basically constant near field RF, so all you need is a radio extender and someone can remote start or remote open your car while your fob is in the house.

 

[Hydguy]

I know there are several things a dealer can program, such as unlocking all doors with one press of the unlock button instead of two. I wonder if a shutoff timer can be programmed for keyless start that would be similar to a remote start timeout. Anyone know?

No, the SR5/Trail/Pro cannot be programmed to unlock all 4 doors with a single push of the unlock button (at least from '15 and up, as I haven't owned one older than a '15, and currently have an '18 TRDORP)
You have to upgrade to an aftermarket remote start system to get that feature.

 

[cb1111]

Definitely an issue, they work as basically constant near field RF, so all you need is a radio extender and someone can remote start or remote open your car while your fob is in the house.

No quite. If (big IF) they are they are within range of your remote and the car then they might be able intercept the signal.

It ain't that easy.

 

[thennen]

No, the SR5/Trail/Pro cannot be programmed to unlock all 4 doors with a single push of the unlock button (at least from '15 and up, as I haven't owned one older than a '15, and currently have an '18 TRDORP)
You have to upgrade to an aftermarket remote start system to get that feature.

Was just making up an example of a dealer programmable item. I don’t have a list of them. Seat belt chimes, etc. I was just wondering if shutoff timers could be programmed. Might be a nice option.

 

[Hydguy]

Was just making up an example of a dealer programmable item. I don’t have a list of them. Seat belt chimes, etc. I was just wondering if shutoff timers could be programmed. Might be a nice option.

With the factory remote start, there is a timed shut off. IIRC it's 15 minutes.
But having a times shut off with push to start is not feasible. and if it were, it could potentially shut off when driving, which is a whole other liability issue.

This event was caused by the owner not shutting off the vehicle when he parked, similar to the gentleman who died of heat stroke because he didn't know how to open the door of his C7 Corvette when the battery died.

 

[Whippersnapper02]

People don't pay attention anymore. They're too busy posting about their soy latte on IG and FB.

 

[thennen]

With the factory remote start, there is a timed shut off. IIRC it's 15 minutes.
But having a times shut off with push to start is not feasible. and if it were, it could potentially shut off when driving, which is a whole other liability issue.

This event was caused by the owner not shutting off the vehicle when he parked, similar to the gentleman who died of heat stroke because he didn't know how to open the door of his C7 Corvette when the battery died.

You understand what I’m saying, right? I agree it’s the fault of whomever left the vehicle running. All I’m asking is this; can it be programmed (in the future maybe) to shut the car off if it’s started and not put into gear after xx minutes.