Decided On My Lift Combo.... Opinions Welcomed

[Bayou_Pro]

After doing a ton of research and talking to as many people and companies as I could this is what I have chosen. My goals are a 100% daily driver with a few events a year and a little wheeling here at home. Wanted good street manors, good ride quality, low noise, good for anything off-road and high quality. Opinions and comments welcomed.



Front:

-Fox 2.5" RR Coilovers customs valved & tuned by Accutune Off Road

-Upgraded to Eibach 650# springs (for hybrid bumper & winch later)

-JBA HC UCAs

-Toytec Diff Drop (Accutune said not really needed but couldn't hurt)



Rear:

-Fox 2.0 RR Extended Travel Shocks

-Toytec Superflex 2" Rear Springs

-Stock Bump Stops (Accutune said that the Fox Shocks have enough travel so they are not needed)



I'll also run the BFG KO2s in LT285/70R17 C Load Range Tires

 

[TRD PANTHER]

IMO, as an owner of a 2018 Pro, and who uses it as a daily driver also, I question the value and additional off road prowess that a 285-70-17 and the mods required to accommodate that size tire is only marginally better than a Pro with 275-70-17’s. Overall there is only an additional ~1/4” in ground clearance. 285’s require a BMC, front mud flap removal and more strain on the CV axle/joint along with reduced aero dynamics, rolling resistance and gas mileage affected as a result compared to a non lifted Pro with 275’s. The Pro already has the fender liner mod and is approximately 1” higher than any other stock 4Runner. The additional 2” in body lift with the new suspension willl add some minor clearance advantages for off road purposes in approach and departure angles. However, you are affecting the roll center of the vehicle and coupled with the center of mass have some negative resultant issues. And yes you will need a 650-700# spring rate for a winch regardless if you were lifted or not as the Pro springs are only 500#/in. The factory Pro has ~1-1/4” of rake, which, is better than a standard 4Runner by ~3/4”. The factory Pro suspension rides very nice. I’m only mentioning my conservative take on this because it is your 100% daily driver. But, my other side says, for looks and slightly better off road capability, I would go with the suspension lift and 285’s. I came from a 2001 TRD supercharged 4x4 4Runner with Eibach springs, HD Bilsteins and 33” tires that I had for over 17 years. I think the 285 is a perfect overall tire for the 4Runner if you feel it is worth it. Just my .02 cents. Good luck with your decision.

 

[YellowSnow]

Do it! That set up will be bad ass...I would run Falken Wildpeaks in 285 instead of the KO2s as they are snow rated, better in wet, cheaper, and quieter on the road (I’ve owned both).

 

[Bayou_Pro]

IMO, as an owner of a 2018 Pro, and who uses it as a daily driver also, I question the value and additional off road prowess that a 285-70-17 and the mods required to accommodate that size tire is only marginally better than a Pro with 275-70-17’s. Overall there is only an additional ~1/4” in ground clearance. 285’s require a BMC, front mud flap removal and more strain on the CV axle/joint along with reduced aero dynamics, rolling resistance and gas mileage affected as a result compared to a non lifted Pro with 275’s. The Pro already has the fender liner mod and is approximately 1” higher than any other stock 4Runner. The additional 2” in body lift with the new suspension willl add some minor clearance advantages for off road purposes in approach and departure angles. However, you are affecting the roll center of the vehicle and coupled with the center of mass have some negative resultant issues. And yes you will need a 650-700# spring rate for a winch regardless if you were lifted or not as the Pro springs are only 500#/in. The factory Pro has ~1-1/4” of rake, which, is better than a standard 4Runner by ~3/4”. The factory Pro suspension rides very nice. I’m only mentioning my conservative take on this because it is your 100% daily driver. But, my other side says, for looks and slightly better off road capability, I would go with the suspension lift and 285’s. I came from a 2001 TRD supercharged 4x4 4Runner with Eibach springs, HD Bilsteins and 33” tires that I had for over 17 years. I think the 285 is a perfect overall tire for the 4Runner if you feel it is worth it. Just my .02 cents. Good luck with your decision.

Your opinion is very much appreciated and I agree with pretty much everything you said. Here's the problem. I'm a car guy and I can't leave anything alone. Looking back I probably should have gotten just an ORP but likef the low build numbers for the pro. I really don't need any of this, like most of us that mod these trucks. Most of it is I just want to set mine apart from the other 25+ 4runners I pass on a given day. Like you said I think the 285s look perfect on the 4runner. If I'm going to spend the money I don't want to say well I shouldn't went with the 285s. When and if I do the bumper I hope the 650# will do the job. If not a set of 700# is less then $200 and pretty easy to swap out. Thanks again for your comments.


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[Bayou_Pro]

Do it! That set up will be bad ass...I would run Falken Wildpeaks in 285 instead of the KO2s as they are snow rated, better in wet, cheaper, and quieter on the road (I’ve owned both).

Well in South Louisiana I don't see alot of snow. I do see alot of people talking about those Wild peaks though. Haven't some people had issues with them making noise or something after they have worn down 50% or so? I chose the BFG because they are proven and used so often and they are available in a C Load Range. I really wanted the GY Duratracks but heard the sidewalls are pretty weak on them. I'll check them out though. Thanks.


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[TRD PANTHER]

Your opinion is very much appreciated and I agree with pretty much everything you said. Here's the problem. I'm a car guy and I can't leave anything alone. Looking back I probably should have gotten just an ORP but likef the low build numbers for the pro. I really don't need any of this, like most of us that mod these trucks. Most of it is I just want to set mine apart from the other 25+ 4runners I pass on a given day. Like you said I think the 285s look perfect on the 4runner. If I'm going to spend the money I don't want to say well I shouldn't went with the 285s. When and if I do the bumper I hope the 650# will do the job. If not a set of 700# is less then $200 and pretty easy to swap out. Thanks again for your comments.


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I was just playing the devils advocate as I think about adding 285’s to mine all the time too. I swapped out the Nitto 265’s with only 300 miles for 275 KO2’s Load E rated, which, I had in a 285-75-16 on my ‘01 4Runner. I loved the tires and they were quiet and never had the wet traction issue as others have stated. I like the E rating as they can take some good sidewall and tread abuse and had a very slight, almost unnoticeable difference in ride quality over the P rated Nittos it came with. No noise difference. I always modify my vehicles also and I am trying to leave well enough alone with only very minor, practical mods. We’ll see how long that lasts. Let us know what you do.

 

[Bayou_Pro]

I was just playing the devils advocate as I think about adding 285’s to mine all the time too. I swapped out the Nitto 265’s with only 300 miles for 275 KO2’s Load E rated, which, I had in a 285-75-16 on my ‘01 4Runner. I loved the tires and they were quiet and never had the wet traction issue as others have stated. I like the E rating as they can take some good sidewall and tread abuse and had a very slight, almost unnoticeable difference in ride quality over the P rated Nittos it came with. No noise difference. I always modify my vehicles also and I am trying to leave well enough alone with only very minor, practical mods. We’ll see how long that lasts. Let us know what you do.

So many people run that tire is hard to go wrong. Would you not recommend the C rating. I'm trying to stay as light as possible bring is an LT tire. Thanks again.



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[phillyd2]

Why 2" Front and 2.5" Rear?

 

[Bayou_Pro]

Why 2" Front and 2.5" Rear?

Not sure where you are seeing that. It'll be adjustable from 0-3" up front and 2" in the rear. I'll probably set them up at about 2.5" up front or maybe 3" without the bumper and which. Accutune recommends about 2 inches of preload for best results, I'll do that and see how much lift I get.


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[phillyd2]

Saw it here.

Front:
-Fox 2.5" RR Coilovers customs valved & tuned by Accutune Off Road

Rear:
-Fox 2.0 RR Extended Travel Shocks

 

[xcalbr2]

wheels

If running stock wheels, the 285's will rub the JBA control arms... Don't ask me how I know...

 

[Bayou_Pro]

Saw it here.

Gotcha. Those are the shock body sizes.


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[Bayou_Pro]

If running stock wheels, the 285's will rub the JBA control arms... Don't ask me how I know...

That's the first in hearing of that. [emoji44] thought I read in other threads people were running those with no issues. What about the SPCs or the Icons with delta joints?




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[comtn4x4]

Saw it here.

I think that's the shock body size but I could be wrong

However, I was wondering the same thing. I'm not familiar with the the hyperflex coils but was assuming they are larger/provide more lift/spring than the superflex which seems common in an unloaded setup. I didn't see a lot a weight listed that would affect the rear

 

[comtn4x4]

That's the first in hearing of that. [emoji44] thought I read in other threads people were running those with no issues. What about the SPCs or the Icons with delta joints?




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I don't think that information has been clearly defined, although I have read that as well. I think it might have to do more with wheel offset.
However, I can say for sure the SPC and Icons do not rub

 

[Bayou_Pro]

I think that's the shock body size but I could be wrong



However, I was wondering the same thing. I'm not familiar with the the hyperflex coils but was assuming they are larger/provide more lift/spring than the superflex which seems common in an unloaded setup. I didn't see a lot a weight listed that would affect the rear

Crap that's my bad. It's the Superflex coils. I fixed the original post. Got my cars confused as I'm putting HyperCo coils on my old Trans Am. Sorry.


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[Bayou_Pro]

I don't think that information has been clearly defined, although I have read that as well. I think it might have to do more with wheel offset.

However, I can say for sure the SPC and Icons do not rub

True. I'm running my stock 7" Pro wheels. Thought about running some Spider Trax spacers that would fix the uca issue would definitely put me doing a BMC. I think that spc had thier issues fixed. I'm woried about the poly bushings squeaking with the Icons.


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[comtn4x4]

True. I'm running my stock 7" Pro wheels. Thought about running some Spider Trax spacers that would fix the uca issue would definitely put me doing a BMC. I think that spc had thier issues fixed. I'm woried about the poly bushings squeaking with the Icons.

Based on what I have read about the JBA I wouldn't hesitate to use them and they seem appropriate for your situation. As far as SPC goes I have had good luck with them.

 

[xcalbr2]

Jba

The JBA's are sweet arms with the ability to use chevy ball joints if need to in a hurry. However it does they that it will rub with 285's.
It was barely a 1/4" but it rubbed at hard turn to full lock. Not enough to scar tires with what little driving I did but could really feel it.
Options were 1/4" spacers (NOT!) or mountable 3/4" -1 1/4" spacers. I really liked the look of the WildPeak 285's but with the spacers would have involved bmc and bumper trim.
TireBuyer is taking the 285's back and shipping me 265's. Great customer service btw.

 

[Cocajun]

I have the 7 inch pro wheels with 285 nitto ridge grapplers mounted and jba uca's . It is not even close to rubbing. I have about 3/8 to 1/2 inch of clearance between the tire and the control arm.