Destroyed Engine

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Hello

I have a 99’ 4Runner with 218,000 miles. I purchased it in 2010 when it had 80,000 miles. Since I’ve owned the vehicle, I’ve done regular scheduled maintenance, and I’ve used it primarily for commuting to work.

Normally I take my vehicle to be serviced at a Toyota dealership, but I recently took it to a local mechanic to have the MAF sensor and left cv boot replaced due to the mechanic offering to do the work at a lower cost.

The day I took it to the mechanic, I was told they wanted to test to MAF sensor to make sure that it indeed needed to be replaced. Two hours later I was told that the rod cap that connects the piston rod to the crank shaft had broken while they were testing the sensor, and that there was a hole in the engine block leaking oil. They explained to me that something like this happens rarely and it was of no fault of the mechanic. I was given an option of replacing the engine with a used one with 180,000 miles and that they would charge ~$5500. I declined and towed my vehicle from the shop and was charged nothing.

I never had any indications of the engine failing like it did such as hearing a knocking sound. The only thing I noticed a week before I took my vehicle in was a slight drop in gas mileage. Is a rod cap failing something that could happen normally, or should I suspect foul play?
 
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Whoa. Well obviously you won’t be paying anywhere close to $5,500 or trusting them to do the replacement.

That being said, unless you can prove negligence on their part, you’ll likely never know for sure exactly what happened.

It’s stories like this that have me performing the lions share of vehicle maintenance and farming out only what I can’t do.
 
Interesting way they have of testing the MAF! You don't need to start the truck to test it. In fact, I'm not sure if you even can test it with the truck running.

What symptoms brought you to the shop in the first place?
 
All I could suspect (with absolutely no basis for it) is that the mechanic was test driving it a bit overzealously. But even then whatever the ECU would let you do in terms of RPM shouldn't hurt an engine in good shape.
 
Interesting way they have of testing the MAF! You don't need to start the truck to test it. In fact, I'm not sure if you even can test it with the truck running.

What symptoms brought you to the shop in the first place?

I came to the shop for a check engine that came back on. The first time it came on was two weeks prior and I took it to the dealership. They said they cleaned the MAF and if it came back on that they would replace the sensor. About a mile after I drove it from the dealership, the light came back on.
 
All I could suspect (with absolutely no basis for it) is that the mechanic was test driving it a bit overzealously. But even then whatever the ECU would let you do in terms of RPM shouldn't hurt an engine in good shape.

It happened when the vehicle was in the bay, but I thought about that too.
 
Hello

I have a 99’ 4Runner with 218,000 miles. I purchased it in 2010 when it had 80,000 miles. Since I’ve owned the vehicle, I’ve done regular scheduled maintenance, and I’ve used it primarily for commuting to work.

Normally I take my vehicle to be serviced at a Toyota dealership, but I recently took it to a local mechanic to have the MAF sensor and left cv boot replaced due to the mechanic offering to do the work at a lower cost.

The day I took it to the mechanic, I was told they wanted to test to MAF sensor to make sure that it indeed needed to be replaced. Two hours later I was told that the rod cap that connects the piston rod to the crank shaft had broken while they were testing the sensor, and that there was a hole in the engine block leaking oil. They explained to me that something like this happens rarely and it was of no fault of the mechanic. I was given an option of replacing the engine with a used one with 180,000 miles and that they would charge ~$5500. I declined and towed my vehicle from the shop and was charged nothing.

I never had any indications of the engine failing like it did such as hearing a knocking sound. The only thing I noticed a week before I took my vehicle in was a slight drop in gas mileage. Is a rod cap failing something that could happen normally, or should I suspect foul play?

5VZ-FE engines sometimes blow a hole in the block by cleaning/testing the MAF? That's absolute garbage. There's nothing to "test" about it except resistance values with a multimeter with the sensor removed and the engine off.

They screwed your engine up big time but like others said, unless it was recorded you'll never have any proof. So sorry to hear about it. Used engines can be had in the $500-$1000 range and a shop can usually install it for about $2000 in labor.
 
Damn man that sucks.

Like others have said, it will be hard to prove that they did anything wrong especially since they may have done nothing wrong....

It could have just been a total fluke and the engine blew while it was in their shop.

I just can't think of anything they could have done, while it was sitting in their shop that could cause the engine to grenade like that. No amount of messing with the MAF or any other sensor really could cause physical damage like that.

Their quote is ridiculous. Like freak said, used engine should be in the 500-1000 buck range and expect about 2 grand in labor from an indy shop.

If you are up to it, you can swap engines yourself but it is a ton of work, no doubt.

PS. It is super....super rare for these engines to have a catastrophic failure like that. I think this is only the 3rd post I've ever seen on here since 2016 about total engine failure like that. And there explanation that it sometimes happens when testing the MAF is a total lie and you should never use that shop again, regardless of why the engine blew.
 
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Sorry this happened OP, but what a crock of shit! I'd be f@ckin' furious.

Get a code reader for next time. Only $35 for an Ancel.
 
It happened when the vehicle was in the bay, but I thought about that too.

In which case, odds are of some incredible fluke just went ay up. I guess he could have held the throttle open and let it zing for a while, or drained the oil out, but neither really makes any sense.

Just a random failure. But yeah, don't let them replace it. That's pretty much the absolute most you could possibly spend on a new motor.

If you can't do it yourself, find a good indy shop and have them install a junkyard motor. They really are good engines that last forever, but out of hundreds of thousands of motors, you're going to have a few weird things happen now and then.
 
Sorry this happened OP, but what a crock of shit! I'd be f@ckin' furious.

Get a code reader for next time. Only $35 for an Ancel.

Right?

Even if it wasn't their fault, the fact that I dropped off a working/running truck and later got a call saying my motor blew up would probably make me the star in an Cops episode....
 
Are you sure the engine is wrecked? Maybe they just want $5500
Yeah, I'd check that. Make sure you DO have oil, and start it up.
They may be lying to you with that.

If it is broken, there ain't no way in hell that was a 'no fault accident' if you heard no noises prior.
No bash on you, but the MAF can be replaced in less than 5 minutes in a parking lot with minimal tools. Its just attached to the air intake near the air filter. Whatever they did was NOT related to the MAF.

Only way I can think that happened is they redlined the engine for a prolonged amount of time.

Oh, or is there ANY oil left? Even in the oil filter? If so, send it in to BlackStone labs for inspection. See if there's any oil additives in it. The shop may have added Seafoam (or similar) incorrectly, and locked the engine up. Not starting a BITOG thread (and I do use Seafoam) but it's dangerous if used incorrectly.
They may have done this in lieu of a new MAF (cheaper if it works).

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It happened when the vehicle was in the bay, but I thought about that too.

this is a perfect scenario for you to get in touch with a lawyer. they dont have to do anything wrong. the fact that this damage was done at the garage and like everyone else said testing the maf shouldn't be the cause. the garage is responsible for work they perform. in the event that they break something or blow a hole through the motor while testing is their fault and only an attorney can dig down to the facts. If they are professionals they should know what to do. I think their insurance should cover your loss. all garages have to have insurance for their business license.
 
this is a perfect scenario for you to get in touch with a lawyer. they dont have to do anything wrong. the fact that this damage was done at the garage and like everyone else said testing the maf shouldn't be the cause. the garage is responsible for work they perform. in the event that they break something or blow a hole through the motor while testing is their fault and only an attorney can dig down to the facts. If they are professionals they should know what to do. I think their insurance should cover your loss. all garages have to have insurance for their business license.
Correct, regardless of fault, their insurance should cover it fully.

Someone rides their bike through your front yard and falls and breaks their arm? They can sue. That's why you have home insurance. Regardless of fault.

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this is a perfect scenario for you to get in touch with a lawyer. they dont have to do anything wrong. the fact that this damage was done at the garage and like everyone else said testing the maf shouldn't be the cause. the garage is responsible for work they perform. in the event that they break something or blow a hole through the motor while testing is their fault and only an attorney can dig down to the facts. If they are professionals they should know what to do. I think their insurance should cover your loss. all garages have to have insurance for their business license.

You don't have to have liability insurance to have a business license, for years many Sole Prop business types work with a business license and sellers permit with no insurance whatsoever.

Typically what will force a shady operation into gaining some form of liability coverage would be renting a place as for the most part building owners and landlords will require at lease some form of insurance for you to rent a building or shop space.
 

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