Diesel Wrangler and Colorado ZR2 in 2016?

[dontdo_that]

In light of the new engine announced for the 2016 Tacoma, thought I'd share this for anyone who hasn't seen it. Though it might be old news. Do you think this will really happen?

If 4runners/Tacomas got a diesel option, do you think the tow capacity would increase? Not trying to flame here, I'd still take a 4runner over these options. Would you pay the premium for a diesel? Is Diesel the solution to CAFE fleet emissions requirements?

Wrangler supposedly to get diesel in 2016:
2016 Jeep Wrangler Definitely Getting Diesel Engine - Gas 2

2016 Jeep Wrangler To Get Diesel Engine | Edmunds.com

In case you didn't know (I didn't) the Grand Cherokee already offers a 3.0 diesel option with a tow capacity of 7400 lbs and 30 MPG highway:
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Off-Road Capability Features

Chevy Colorado ZR2 is rumored to go into production with front and rear electronic lockers, Duramax 2.8L, and a factory lift for 2016 as well:
Colorado ZR2 Concept: New Symbol of Off-Road | Chevrolet

2015 Chevy Colorado ZR2 To Include Duramax Diesel - Gear Heads

 

[wfo9]

Toyota will not do a Diesel in the US anytime soon. At least that is what the chief engineer for the Tacoma said. The reason is related to emission standards in the US. To meet them, it would add about 3k to the cost of each truck just for the DEF system...and they just would not be competitive at that price. Plus, Toyota does not have a system to pull from like all the other MFGs.

 

[gm350reratliff]

All the emissions junk ruins the joy of a diesel for me. A lot of my friends own diesel trucks and they are always in the shop, and it's usually due to some emissions components. I think I'd rather have a turbo gas engine like Ford's 3.5L ecoboost, only I would want it actually reliable.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Toyota will not do a Diesel in the US anytime soon. At least that is what the chief engineer for the Tacoma said. The reason is related to emission standards in the US. To meet them, it would add about 3k to the cost of each truck just for the DEF system...and they just would not be competitive at that price. Plus, Toyota does not have a system to pull from like all the other MFGs.

I don't think that's quite accurate. They have a few successful diesel models, its just converting them to meet the US's restrictions is asinine.

 

[wfo9]

I don't think that's quite accurate. They have a few successful diesel models, its just converting them to meet the US's restrictions is asinine.

Right, that is what I'm saying. The other mfgs already have diesels in the US so they can pull over the def components and all the related control modules. Toyota does not have any of this and it would be very costly to develop it and it is constantly changing year by year. The EPA makes it really hard to sell a diesel in the US now. And the new systems are causing all types of odd issues. It is a mess, so I think Toyota is actually making a smart decision to stay out of it for the time being. Let the other guys figure it out because it is a PITA. It will eventually all be std stuff, but right now it is unproven.

A friend of mine was just stranded with his new Powerstroke F350 the other day. They could not reproduce the issue, so now he is just waiting for the next scrub cycle.

 

[m85476585]

Towing capacity is more a function of the brakes/suspension/wheelbase/total weight of truck than the engine. More gears in the transmission make the engine torque less relevant. The grand cherokee has 8 speeds!

Also, if the jeep's tow capacity rating doesn't meet SAE J2807, then you can't really compare it to anything else.
What Is SAE J2807? What Does It Really Mean For Your Pickup Truck?
Standardized Tow Ratings: Why Automakers Aren't Using Them -- Edmunds.com

 

[Jernik]

Right now, with gas prices being sub $2, the diesel market for 2015-2016 could really struggle... between the initial added cost for the diesel engine, plus the $1 - $1.50 extra per gallon of diesel, the payback for increased efficiency (which took quite a while when gas was almost the same price as diesel) is even further out into the future, possibly making it not worthwhile unless one just really likes/wants a diesel power train.

That said, we all know oil/gas prices will go back up. The question is how soon, and how much. Until those questions have some sort of answer, I don't think diesel engines in light duty vehicles will be too successful on the sales floor. That's purely "non-professional" speculation on my part.

 

[NoDak]

its also the general mentality of the public on how to tow.

just compare towing in Europe to the usa. to America we need to have a big ass truck to haul stuff at 65+ mph.

England little bitty cars pull the same loads, BUT they do it at a maximum lower speed of 55 or less or risk big fines (I think)

 

[SandyUT]

I read a couple rumors that 4.0L V8 may be coming soon to the 2016 4Runner. Anyone have any isight on the validity of these rumors? I would love a V8. I drove a limited and it seemed a touch on the sluggish side, so the V8 would be pretty nice.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

I read a couple rumors that 4.0L V8 may be coming soon to the 2016 4Runner. Anyone have any isight on the validity of these rumors? I would love a V8. I drove a limited and it seemed a touch on the sluggish side, so the V8 would be pretty nice.

First I have heard of that. We don't make a 4.0L V8 anymore (the 1UZ-FE car motor that went into the Lexus LS400 was the only 4.0L V8 we made and it was never intended for trucks.)

It'd have to be a new UR family of engine if they did make it, but it sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

 

[offroadohio]

Jeep is also considering a hybrid for the wrangler

 

[Spunk]

Shucks,

Looks like some manufacturers (Chevy and Jeep included) are rallying to make vehicles to exceed the capabilities of our stock 4Runners, and we're just hoping the 2016 Runner comes with body-on-frame construction, let alone the aftermarket add-ons that others have.

For example, the 2016 Colorado ZR2 is advertised to included remote reservoir king shocks and coilovers and a (hopefully) solid long travel kit. That's legit.

 

[Jeff614]

So many good points mentioned. The idea of a diesel sounds better on paper than in real life. The amount of emissions equipment on modern diesels is insane, not to mention pricey. And with the price of fuel at the moment why bother. Even when it goes back up, diesel skyrockets too.

Maybe one day when a diesel can be reliable AND clean at the same time.

 

[Jeremy556]

For example, the 2016 Colorado ZR2 is advertised to included remote reservoir king shocks and coilovers and a (hopefully) solid long travel kit. That's legit.

It is a concept that will never be produced.

 

[cbielat]

Toyota will not do a Diesel in the US anytime soon. At least that is what the chief engineer for the Tacoma said. The reason is related to emission standards in the US. To meet them, it would add about 3k to the cost of each truck just for the DEF system...and they just would not be competitive at that price. Plus, Toyota does not have a system to pull from like all the other MFGs.

I read that article as well.

 

[Raildawg1]

diesel wranglers are already made here in the states,but their for the export market only.