Dueler A/T Revos vs. Geolander A/T+II
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Go to tirerack.com or 1010tires.com
for all the reviews you can handle. You'll get the majority opinions and some gripes.
However, other issues include longevity. BFG wins hands down for a 75k-100k mile tire. Some gripes about Revo wear and tear, and some gripes about Geolanders wear and tear and wet weather ability as it wears down.
Neither Revo or Geo come in LT in 6 ply or 8 ply for 265/70/17. BFG does not come in P rated 4 ply. BFG comes in 6 ply Load C, LT. I wish Revo, Toyo and others would come in 6 ply Load C or D. Revo is supposed to have it in Load E, 10 ply, much too heavy for the Runner. Toyo comes in P or E but nothing in between.
Is having a Snowflake/Mountain symbol certifying it as RMA Sever Weather Rated important to you? Some states and some ski/winter resorts won't let you in without chains if you dn't have the Snowflake/Mountain RMA symbol, M&S rated be damned. BFG has that rating. Revo and Geo do not.
Do you want more road handling? Revo outshines the BFG in that respect.
I think the real difference is not that BFG is an off road tire that can go on raod while the Revo is an on raod tire that can go off road. The real difference I think is that the BFG is a true All Terain Tire. It is not an expert at all but will do well in all terrain; rocks, gravel, sand, some mud, slick rock, concrete roads, asphalt, rain and snow. Revo and Geo is an All Weather/All Season tire that is more suited to rain, snow, dry, and some fire trail stuff.
Most tires that claim all terrain status are really all season. BFG is no Johnny Come Lately, it has been in the forefront of off roading for the pasts 30 years and is the indisputed maker of off roading tires.
for all the reviews you can handle. You'll get the majority opinions and some gripes.
However, other issues include longevity. BFG wins hands down for a 75k-100k mile tire. Some gripes about Revo wear and tear, and some gripes about Geolanders wear and tear and wet weather ability as it wears down.
Neither Revo or Geo come in LT in 6 ply or 8 ply for 265/70/17. BFG does not come in P rated 4 ply. BFG comes in 6 ply Load C, LT. I wish Revo, Toyo and others would come in 6 ply Load C or D. Revo is supposed to have it in Load E, 10 ply, much too heavy for the Runner. Toyo comes in P or E but nothing in between.
Is having a Snowflake/Mountain symbol certifying it as RMA Sever Weather Rated important to you? Some states and some ski/winter resorts won't let you in without chains if you dn't have the Snowflake/Mountain RMA symbol, M&S rated be damned. BFG has that rating. Revo and Geo do not.
Do you want more road handling? Revo outshines the BFG in that respect.
I think the real difference is not that BFG is an off road tire that can go on raod while the Revo is an on raod tire that can go off road. The real difference I think is that the BFG is a true All Terain Tire. It is not an expert at all but will do well in all terrain; rocks, gravel, sand, some mud, slick rock, concrete roads, asphalt, rain and snow. Revo and Geo is an All Weather/All Season tire that is more suited to rain, snow, dry, and some fire trail stuff.
Most tires that claim all terrain status are really all season. BFG is no Johnny Come Lately, it has been in the forefront of off roading for the pasts 30 years and is the indisputed maker of off roading tires.
AlexJet
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Re: Go to tirerack.com or 1010tires.com
That's what I thought about. I do mainly on-road, but need to have capability doing some off-road and snow/mud. So I came up to choice between Revos and Geolander A/T+II. I've read surveys on tirerack and 1010tires. After all - couldn't get a right idea. Surveys there are written from guys in different vehicles. And I thought someone from this forum will share his opinion about Yokohama Geolander A/T+II. I know many guys here in Revos and they are saying that tires are great. What about Yokohama ones?
olliebear said:
That's what I thought about. I do mainly on-road, but need to have capability doing some off-road and snow/mud. So I came up to choice between Revos and Geolander A/T+II. I've read surveys on tirerack and 1010tires. After all - couldn't get a right idea. Surveys there are written from guys in different vehicles. And I thought someone from this forum will share his opinion about Yokohama Geolander A/T+II. I know many guys here in Revos and they are saying that tires are great. What about Yokohama ones?
Re: Re: Go to tirerack.com or 1010tires.com
Geolanders are much less pricey than Revos and BFG.
Keep in mind the BFG is the only one with 3 layers on the sidewall and 5 layers on the tread. Pretty tough tire. Toyo has 5 layers on the tread but only 2 on the sidewall. I believe the Revos also have 5 on the tread and 2 on the sidewall. Check on the Yoko Geolanders. Don't know about their construction.
but don't limit yourself. I would add these for consideration:
Toyo Open County. I liked them on my Tahoe a lot. Lots of folks use them here in the Sierra Nevadas.
Nitto Terra Grapplers. Look just like Toyo Open County but a lot less dime.
Pirelli Scorpions A/T. I was satisfied enough to run through two sets on the Tahoe. Quiet, good in snow, good in rain, good handling for a tall vehicle.
Cooper Disco A/T. I see lots of folks with them but nothing about reviews though. Go check them on Google. Did not find too many complaints.
Firestone Destination A/T. Racking up some impressive reviews in tirerack.com
Michelin LTX M/S. More of a road tire with impressive all season and all weather. Lasts and lasts but not as good off road.
AlexJet said:
Geolanders are much less pricey than Revos and BFG.
Keep in mind the BFG is the only one with 3 layers on the sidewall and 5 layers on the tread. Pretty tough tire. Toyo has 5 layers on the tread but only 2 on the sidewall. I believe the Revos also have 5 on the tread and 2 on the sidewall. Check on the Yoko Geolanders. Don't know about their construction.
but don't limit yourself. I would add these for consideration:
Toyo Open County. I liked them on my Tahoe a lot. Lots of folks use them here in the Sierra Nevadas.
Nitto Terra Grapplers. Look just like Toyo Open County but a lot less dime.
Pirelli Scorpions A/T. I was satisfied enough to run through two sets on the Tahoe. Quiet, good in snow, good in rain, good handling for a tall vehicle.
Cooper Disco A/T. I see lots of folks with them but nothing about reviews though. Go check them on Google. Did not find too many complaints.
Firestone Destination A/T. Racking up some impressive reviews in tirerack.com
Michelin LTX M/S. More of a road tire with impressive all season and all weather. Lasts and lasts but not as good off road.
AlexJet
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Thai said:
Yes, BFG, Silent Armors and Revos are been discussed a few times, but I didn't find that anyone talked about Yokohama Geolander A/T+II. There is one more thing, BFG, SA and Revos are 265/70R17, and A/T+II comes in 265/70R17 or 275/65R17. The last one is upsizing not only diameter, but also width. I think it might be interesting to find out if they going to rub.
Hank
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The Revos are about $160 US at Costco. I'm waiting for the $60 coupon that's supposed to come out this October or November before I get them. I can't wait. Just curious, does the border patrol allow Canadiens to drive over to the US to purchase goods and drive back over there? Do you have to declare the items? The prices here might be a bit cheaper.
AlexJet
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Hank said:
The problem is if I'll put tires in my trunk they going to charge me:
- GST (Government Sales Tax) 7%
- PST (Provincial Sales Tax) 8%
- Duties 30%
So it's not worth it, but there is another way. It's possible to drive to the States and change tires there, and then come back as you left Canada with that new set of tires.
HuntRunner
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Wow! Do you all really get that many miles out of the BFG's?
olliebear said:
Wow! Do you all really get that many miles out of the BFG's?
Re: Re: Go to tirerack.com or 1010tires.com
America's Tire techs told me they've had 100k+ on BFG. I said, "You're bullchitting me." They stood my it. Well, I bought a set for Mr. Tahoe. That was the old BFG style, not the KO where they've increased the mileage even more with more traction in the wet and snow. I got 85k and could still do another 10k. But since I had moved to the Sierra Nevadas where snow and heavy slush rain is for real, I decided to get new shoes for the winter--replaced the BFG with Pirelli Scorpion A/T.
Now, for those who have owned Chevy 1/2 ton trucks, they are notorious for wearing the outside half faster than the inside half. No matter what you do to it, no matter how you try to align it, it comes out that way. My 2 door 4x4 Z71 Tahoe is a tall vehile for its wheel base so it does put more wear on the outside but this seesm to be part of the Chevy design...like its infamous sloppy brakes that require pushing down 4 inches before you feel it press. Nothing wrong with the brakes. That's the way it was made.
Anyway, no abusive driving. No harsh rock climbing. Just lots of highway miles, rain, snow, dry, rotated eveyr 5,000---free rotations with America's Tire and I drive past at least 4 dealers on the way to work in Los Angles to Newport.
In fact, at about 45k I paid for them to dismount and flip the tires and re-mount ot even out the inside/outside wear.
Through it all, low noise, good traction, tough construction. Confidence in all terrains.
If you go read the reviews on tirerack, you'll find revioew afte rreview about BFG's long life....of course depending on each persoin's driving needs, long life may be 50k compared to their normal 30k, but 60k-80k seems to be expected.
My 4Runner is wearing the Bridgestone Dueler H/T so evenly it's almost perfect. I do not expect ot have to dismount nad remount to even out the wear as on the Tahoe so I think I should get at least 80K usable miles out of them.
HuntRunner said:
America's Tire techs told me they've had 100k+ on BFG. I said, "You're bullchitting me." They stood my it. Well, I bought a set for Mr. Tahoe. That was the old BFG style, not the KO where they've increased the mileage even more with more traction in the wet and snow. I got 85k and could still do another 10k. But since I had moved to the Sierra Nevadas where snow and heavy slush rain is for real, I decided to get new shoes for the winter--replaced the BFG with Pirelli Scorpion A/T.
Now, for those who have owned Chevy 1/2 ton trucks, they are notorious for wearing the outside half faster than the inside half. No matter what you do to it, no matter how you try to align it, it comes out that way. My 2 door 4x4 Z71 Tahoe is a tall vehile for its wheel base so it does put more wear on the outside but this seesm to be part of the Chevy design...like its infamous sloppy brakes that require pushing down 4 inches before you feel it press. Nothing wrong with the brakes. That's the way it was made.
Anyway, no abusive driving. No harsh rock climbing. Just lots of highway miles, rain, snow, dry, rotated eveyr 5,000---free rotations with America's Tire and I drive past at least 4 dealers on the way to work in Los Angles to Newport.
In fact, at about 45k I paid for them to dismount and flip the tires and re-mount ot even out the inside/outside wear.
Through it all, low noise, good traction, tough construction. Confidence in all terrains.
If you go read the reviews on tirerack, you'll find revioew afte rreview about BFG's long life....of course depending on each persoin's driving needs, long life may be 50k compared to their normal 30k, but 60k-80k seems to be expected.
My 4Runner is wearing the Bridgestone Dueler H/T so evenly it's almost perfect. I do not expect ot have to dismount nad remount to even out the wear as on the Tahoe so I think I should get at least 80K usable miles out of them.
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Even Steven
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Check out the Discovery ATR. After driving in many different conditions (including deep snow) with these tires, I'm absolutely sold. I'll replace my current set with another set when the time comes. I'm big on snow traction, and the Revo doesn't compare to the ATRs.
I have Revos and have seen their strengths and weaknesses . I would buy another set ( never thought I would say that ) . The more I think of it and have been a BFG AT fan ( still am ) I want to go with a "P" rated tire . I guess If I can I'm going to look heavy into the GY SA . They come in "P" rated but are built a little more like a true all terrain and do carry the severe weather rating.
I drive a lot 25k per year and am getting used to the ride of a P rated tire , I do off road but not like rock climbing or mud pits. If I would go to BFG I naturally would have a harsher ride ( which isn't the worst thing ) but one thing I've noticed with the BFG is that for road driving the ride became very harsh after the tire started tom get 40-50k on them , the compound gets very hard the older they get.
I wish the Revo or the GY SA came in a C rated with the new technology compounds that are out on such tires as the Revo and the GY. The nice thing about the C rated tire is you get 3/32 deeper tread as opposed to a P rated tire , but the ride and milage would maybe be worse.
On my V8 running Revos I honestly get 16+ mpg in the city and driving as much as I do that is pretty fricken great for a full time 4x4 V8 IMO. I did not buy this for gas milage anyway but is a nice perk. This is my driver so thats what's got me thinking about this very same topic since I want new tires soon. If this was NOT a daily driver it would have a nice set of BFG's on it , and be lifted nicely by now.
I drive a lot 25k per year and am getting used to the ride of a P rated tire , I do off road but not like rock climbing or mud pits. If I would go to BFG I naturally would have a harsher ride ( which isn't the worst thing ) but one thing I've noticed with the BFG is that for road driving the ride became very harsh after the tire started tom get 40-50k on them , the compound gets very hard the older they get.
I wish the Revo or the GY SA came in a C rated with the new technology compounds that are out on such tires as the Revo and the GY. The nice thing about the C rated tire is you get 3/32 deeper tread as opposed to a P rated tire , but the ride and milage would maybe be worse.
On my V8 running Revos I honestly get 16+ mpg in the city and driving as much as I do that is pretty fricken great for a full time 4x4 V8 IMO. I did not buy this for gas milage anyway but is a nice perk. This is my driver so thats what's got me thinking about this very same topic since I want new tires soon. If this was NOT a daily driver it would have a nice set of BFG's on it , and be lifted nicely by now.
jeremysoca
New member
Yoko opinion
Alex,
I just had the Yoko a/t s's put on. It is my understanding the a/t II is being replaced by the a/t s. WHat changes have ben make are not known to me.
I upgraded from the stock tires so the performance gains have been great! For a 265/70/17 tires they are very heavy and taller than most in the same size. I did notice a good 1.5mpg decrease but it was expected. I have yet to take them offroad but from what I can see and feel, they grip well on the road. Thankfully, my nagging vibration issues have gone away with the tire change.
Sorry I couldnt be more help
Alex,
I just had the Yoko a/t s's put on. It is my understanding the a/t II is being replaced by the a/t s. WHat changes have ben make are not known to me.
I upgraded from the stock tires so the performance gains have been great! For a 265/70/17 tires they are very heavy and taller than most in the same size. I did notice a good 1.5mpg decrease but it was expected. I have yet to take them offroad but from what I can see and feel, they grip well on the road. Thankfully, my nagging vibration issues have gone away with the tire change.
Sorry I couldnt be more help
jeremysoca
New member
Yoko opinion
Alex,
I just had the Yoko a/t s's put on. It is my understanding the a/t II is being replaced by the a/t s. WHat changes have ben make are not known to me.
I upgraded from the stock tires so the performance gains have been great! For a 265/70/17 tires they are very heavy and taller than most in the same size. I did notice a good 1.5mpg decrease but it was expected. I have yet to take them offroad but from what I can see and feel, they grip well on the road. Thankfully, my nagging vibration issues have gone away with the tire change.
Sorry I couldnt be more help
Alex,
I just had the Yoko a/t s's put on. It is my understanding the a/t II is being replaced by the a/t s. WHat changes have ben make are not known to me.
I upgraded from the stock tires so the performance gains have been great! For a 265/70/17 tires they are very heavy and taller than most in the same size. I did notice a good 1.5mpg decrease but it was expected. I have yet to take them offroad but from what I can see and feel, they grip well on the road. Thankfully, my nagging vibration issues have gone away with the tire change.
Sorry I couldnt be more help
I was considering all tires mentioned a couple weeks ago and ended up going with the Geolander A/T 2. I went with these tires because they rated better in the snow and ice and have heard some good things about them.
I drive mostly on-road, but I do spend a conderable amount of time in the mountains so I needed some tires that can get me where I need to go, and I have to say they did really well...I was only limited by my stock suspension. I aired down to 15psi and they just wrapped around rocks and had very little slip and it was wet. So far Im happy, but it hasn't snowed yet, so lets see hwo things go.
As far as price goes, I paid $550 out the door (265/70/16) w/ road hazard and all. I bargained with the guys from Big-O and Discount till I has happy, Discount ended up getting my business.
I drive mostly on-road, but I do spend a conderable amount of time in the mountains so I needed some tires that can get me where I need to go, and I have to say they did really well...I was only limited by my stock suspension. I aired down to 15psi and they just wrapped around rocks and had very little slip and it was wet. So far Im happy, but it hasn't snowed yet, so lets see hwo things go.
As far as price goes, I paid $550 out the door (265/70/16) w/ road hazard and all. I bargained with the guys from Big-O and Discount till I has happy, Discount ended up getting my business.
RonMAIDEN
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I had teh yoks A/T +IIs on my '97 and on the street and in the rain they did a good job of handling the precip and solid cornering grip for an A/T tire but they seemed a little soft and they will wear quicker than others. Off road they were very good too and it was hard to beat the price. (over $200 cheaper than a set of poor street mannered BFGs)
The Yoks do also have a 50k mileage warranty.
I'm actually happier with my Nittos since I do actually off road a bit but with my truck being a DD I needed dry and wet pavement performance and my Nittos are comparable to the Yoks but seem to be wearing a bit better and their rain and snow performance is considerably is much better than BFG's A/T and a fair amount cheaper.
If you rarely off road and put alot of miles on your truck a year I'd avoid the Yoks,BFGs and the Nittos and go with either a Revo or a the Yok HT-S Geolandars.
My mom has a set on her '99 Limited and she really likes them and if she actually did go off road occasionally they can handle a bit of abuse but I wouldn't take 'em up rough terrain too often.
The Yoks do also have a 50k mileage warranty.
I'm actually happier with my Nittos since I do actually off road a bit but with my truck being a DD I needed dry and wet pavement performance and my Nittos are comparable to the Yoks but seem to be wearing a bit better and their rain and snow performance is considerably is much better than BFG's A/T and a fair amount cheaper.
If you rarely off road and put alot of miles on your truck a year I'd avoid the Yoks,BFGs and the Nittos and go with either a Revo or a the Yok HT-S Geolandars.
My mom has a set on her '99 Limited and she really likes them and if she actually did go off road occasionally they can handle a bit of abuse but I wouldn't take 'em up rough terrain too often.
