Everything you always wanted to know about LBJ bolts

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Which LBJ bolts are the strongest, how much torque should be applied during installation, and how much margin remains when the bolts are torqued to the recommended level?

These questions are the subject of some controversy on the 4Runner forums, but the answers are often speculation and opinion - until now. We are starting a series of tests over the next few weeks to gather data on bolt strength, torque vs preload, and torque to failure, to answer these questions (and more) about LBJ bolts.

We will be posting periodic updates here, but the majority of the details will be on our webpage - Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Lower Ball Joint (LBJ) Bolts - and More!

We will test five different OEM and aftermarket Lower Ball Joint (LBJ) bolts commonly used for the 3rd Gen Toyota 4Runner:

  1. Toyota 90080-10066 (replaces 90105-10406); Flanged Head Bolt; Green (1996-2000 4Runner)
  2. Toyota 90105-10505; Flanged Head Bolt; Red (2001-2002 4Runner, without boot)
  3. Toyota 90119-10933; Bolt with Washer (2001-2002 4Runner, with boot)
  4. Belmetric BF10X1.25X30YLW Grade 10.9 Zinc Plated Bolt
  5. ARP 663-1003 Bolt (8740 Chrome Moly)

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In Part 1 of the test series, we will measure the torque vs. preload relationship for each bolt type. This will determine how much preload is generated at a given torque level, to see if some bolts are more "slippery" than others, and if a lower or higher installation torque value is warranted to obtain the required preload.

In Part 2, we will subject the bolts to destructive testing by measuring the torque needed to fail the bolts during installation. We will measure the actual torque required to fail the bolt, and document the failure mode (thread shear, tensile failure, etc).

Finally, in Part 3, we will test each bolt in an Instron machine to measure its tensile strength - the definitive indicator of bolt strength.

So stay tuned - this will be fun (and hopefully instructive!)
 
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WOOOOO!

I was actually about to message you last night out of curiosity, haha. Can't wait to see the results and hopefully this will help save some guys and their trucks from disaster.
 
I have a set of the ARPs in the garage waiting to go on the 4Runner, so I have a dog in this fight... (and accidentally overtorqued the currently installed bolts on one side of mine when I did the install years ago, so may have compromised hardware on there now)

-Charlie
 
It will be very reassuring to know when these bolts go from 'righty-tighty' to the very dreaded 'righty-loosey' state.

I guess the common failure modes on these LBJ bots are:
1) Overtorqued to the point the don't fail immediately, but are weakened and snap at some later point
2) Undertorqued, so the LBJ can start wiggling around in use and eventually loosen enough to fall off or shear* the bolts

* Shear strength of the bolts isn't being tested here, but that's NOT how the bolts are supposed to hold the LBJ in. Not even counting the locating collars on two of the bolt holes - the bolts are supposed to hold the LBJ so tightly to the upright that it won't move, not to prevent it from twisting by acting as a shear pin.
 
It will be very reassuring to know when these bolts go from 'righty-tighty' to the very dreaded 'righty-loosey' state.

I guess the common failure modes on these LBJ bots are:
1) Overtorqued to the point the don't fail immediately, but are weakened and snap at some later point
2) Undertorqued, so the LBJ can start wiggling around in use and eventually loosen enough to fall off or shear* the bolts

* Shear strength of the bolts isn't being tested here, but that's NOT how the bolts are supposed to hold the LBJ in. Not even counting the locating collars on two of the bolt holes - the bolts are supposed to hold the LBJ so tightly to the upright that it won't move, not to prevent it from twisting by acting as a shear pin.

Wait so “tighten until it starts getting loose again, then back off a quarter turn” is not the correct torque procedure?
 
I am curious about the joints as well. The bolts would be great to know.

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I have a set of the ARPs in the garage waiting to go on the 4Runner, so I have a dog in this fight... (and accidentally overtorqued the currently installed bolts on one side of mine when I did the install years ago, so may have compromised hardware on there now)

-Charlie

I have the ARP's on mine now. I only have about 3 wheeling trips on them so far, but no issues with the OEM LBJs/ARP Combo.

You need the 35mm for the 01/02 LBJ with the Boot Protector.

30mm will work on 96-2000 without the Boot Protector.
 
We should be able to finish the torque vs. preload testing this weekend, so place your bets now - will they all be the same? We'll soon find out!

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Interesting thread. I look forward to your findings.
I've replaced mine with Toyota bolts at every ~100k LBJ replacement.


Andreas
 
Does anyone know where the red flanged bolt (Toyota 90105-10505) was originally spec'd? The green one is the one that shows up for the '96-00 4Runner, and I found the red one in one of the LBJ bolt articles.

It looks identical to the green, but is behaving quite differently in torque tests. Would be nice to know what cars/years it was originally intended for.
 
Does anyone know where the red flanged bolt (Toyota 90105-10505) was originally spec'd?

36 variants for 4 models from 2000 and 2001. I put bold on the only 2000 I see


Toyota 4Runner 2WD Base
2001
Toyota 4Runner 2WD LIMITED
2001
Toyota 4Runner 2WD SR-5
2001
Toyota 4Runner 3.4L A/T Base
2000

Toyota 4Runner 4WD LIMITED
2001
Toyota 4Runner 4WD SR-5
2001
Toyota Sequoia 2WD LIMITED
2001
Toyota Sequoia 2WD SR-5
2001
Toyota Sequoia 4WD LIMITED
2001
Toyota Sequoia 4WD SR-5
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L A/T 2WD Double Cab PreRunner
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L A/T 2WD Regular Cab PreRunner
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L A/T 2WD Xtracab PreRunner
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L A/T 4WD REGULAR CAB DLX
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L A/T 4WD Xtracab
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L M/T 4WD REGULAR CAB DLX
2001
Toyota Tacoma 2.7L M/T 4WD Xtracab
2001
Toyota Tacoma 3.4L A/T 2WD Double Cab PreRunner
2001
Toyota Tacoma 3.4L A/T 2WD Xtracab PreRunner
2001
Toyota Tacoma 3.4L A/T 4WD Double Cab DLX
2001
Toyota Tacoma 3.4L A/T 4WD Xtracab
2001
Toyota Tacoma 3.4L M/T 4WD Xtracab
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L A/T 2WD Access Cab Limited
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L A/T 2WD Access Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L A/T 2WD Regular Cab DLX
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L A/T 2WD Regular Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L A/T 4WD Access Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L M/T 2WD Access Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L M/T 2WD Regular Cab DLX
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L M/T 2WD Regular Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 3.4L M/T 4WD Access Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 4.7L A/T 2WD Access Cab Limited
2001
Toyota Tundra 4.7L A/T 2WD Access Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 4.7L A/T 4WD Access Cab Limited
2001
Toyota Tundra 4.7L A/T 4WD Access Cab SR-5
2001
Toyota Tundra 4.7L A/T 4WD Regular Cab SR-5
2001
 
Does anyone know where the red flanged bolt (Toyota 90105-10505) was originally spec'd? The green one is the one that shows up for the '96-00 4Runner, and I found the red one in one of the LBJ bolt articles.

It looks identical to the green, but is behaving quite differently in torque tests. Would be nice to know what cars/years it was originally intended for.
Probably not the most accurate, but I typed the part number into parts.toyota.com to check what it says for fitment. It lists every 2001 4Runner option, 2001 tundras, 2001 sequoias, and 2001 4wd/prerunner tacomas. And for some reason 2000 4Runner 3.4L A/T base. 9010510505 - Bolt. For front lower ball joint left; for front lower ball joint right - Genuine Toyota Part

EDIT: Brian beat me to it. I should learn to refresh the page before commenting.
 
Thanks guys, I used the same search engine, but I don't really trust it. For example, 2001 Toyota 4Runner 4WD Limited is listed under all three of the bolts (green, red, bolt with washer).

So as [MENTION=319302]Bad Luck[/MENTION] said, 2001 4Runner 2WD is listed under 90105-10505, but it's also listed under 90119-10933, even though it's a totally different bolt.

Put another way, I am trying to find which for what vehicle Toyota would specify the red bolt? (it specifies the green for '96-99 4Runner, and bolt with washer for '01-02).
 

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