Factory E-Locker Vs. Aftermarket

My arb has never been a problem ever. I've had it in the front axle since 2001. Truck sat in storage from 2003-13. Still worked fine when I dusted it off. When I widened my front axle housing I replaced the orings in the locker, but they were not really bad. I just wish I had the newer version locker because they work faster. Harrop sells a selectable electric locker that supposedly works well too.
 
Are you saying all Elockers are 4:30?



Quote a 4 year old post why don't you. That's not what I said. OP had a manual 4Runner which means he has 4.10 gears. Pulling an elocker from a junkyard, 98% of the time is going to be from an Automatic truck which has 4.30's.
 
My arb has never been a problem ever. I've had it in the front axle since 2001. Truck sat in storage from 2003-13. Still worked fine when I dusted it off. When I widened my front axle housing I replaced the orings in the locker, but they were not really bad. I just wish I had the newer version locker because they work faster. Harrop sells a selectable electric locker that supposedly works well too.




If the o-rings weren't bad....why'd you change 'em? ;)
 
If the o-rings weren't bad....why'd you change 'em? ;)

I had my axle stripped down to modify the housing, the locker hadn't been touched in over 10 years. I heard the orings can go bad and I had some stashed away for a rainy day. So since I had it apart I put them in.
 
I had my axle stripped down to modify the housing, the locker hadn't been touched in over 10 years. I heard the orings can go bad and I had some stashed away for a rainy day. So since I had it apart I put them in.

Wasn't trying to be a douche....I was just implying that you had the same reservations about the longevity of the o-rings I do, so you changed 'em out.

And IMO, that's the biggest downside of the ARB.....real or imagined (and admittedly, in my case, it's largely imagined)....there's that nagging thought about what if it doesn't work b/c of an air leak problem?

Again, not saying that they are unreliable in the least....but there's more to be concerned about with one than other options....and each option has its own set of pros and cons.

My commentary wasn't meant to be an attack on selectables....they are good pieces of kit. I particularly like the competition Zip Locker whose default is the locked rather than the open position....but that could be really bad on something other than a trail only rig. Air actuated lockers just require you to carry a few more sensible parts and back up systems to make sure it's always going to work....which is a fair trade off for having open diffs on the road and the ability to turn them off on the trail to aid in steering, front digs, etc. Nothing wrong with that extra bit of parts/redundancy....just have to plan accordingly.

And....it all depends on what we're talking in terms of the primary use of the vehicle too....a non-comp rig with full hydro generally won't care about being able to unlock the front axle to steer tighter and the bigger the tire, the less you notice any handling quirks induced by an automatic locker....so selectables definitely have their place and are better in some ways than autos for some applications in spite of their increased complexity.
 
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There's nothing wrong with a electronic locker. Shit, if you have the money. Get EATON electric locker. Most people get EATON or ARB. But probably more ARB. Due to air compressor. Using it to air up and down.
 
There's nothing wrong with a electronic locker. Shit, if you have the money. Get EATON electric locker. Most people get EATON or ARB. But probably more ARB. Due to air compressor. Using it to air up and down.

Eaton's haven't been well received on Pirate. Lots of guys bought them for D60s, but the actuators were breakage prone and problematic. Consensus there seemed to be, if you haven't bought yet...buy ARB or Zip. But, that was several years back.

Besides....Eaton doesn't make their Elocker for Toyota axles.
 
Quote a 4 year old post why don't you. That's not what I said. OP had a manual 4Runner which means he has 4.10 gears. Pulling an elocker from a junkyard, 98% of the time is going to be from an Automatic truck which has 4.30's.

Ah I'm that guy lol. Sorry a few beers in and researching t4rs can get hectic!
 
Wasn't trying to be a douche....I was just implying that you had the same reservations about the longevity of the o-rings I do, so you changed 'em out.

And IMO, that's the biggest downside of the ARB.....real or imagined (and admittedly, in my case, it's largely imagined)....there's that nagging thought about what if it doesn't work b/c of an air leak problem?

Again, not saying that they are unreliable in the least....but there's more to be concerned about with one than other options....and each option has its own set of pros and cons.

My commentary wasn't meant to be an attack on selectables....they are good pieces of kit. I particularly like the competition Zip Locker whose default is the locked rather than the open position....but that could be really bad on something other than a trail only rig. Air actuated lockers just require you to carry a few more sensible parts and back up systems to make sure it's always going to work....which is a fair trade off for having open diffs on the road and the ability to turn them off on the trail to aid in steering, front digs, etc. Nothing wrong with that extra bit of parts/redundancy....just have to plan accordingly.

And....it all depends on what we're talking in terms of the primary use of the vehicle too....a non-comp rig with full hydro generally won't care about being able to unlock the front axle to steer tighter and the bigger the tire, the less you notice any handling quirks induced by an automatic locker....so selectables definitely have their place and are better in some ways than autos for some applications in spite of their increased complexity.

I understand what you're saying. But I think the concern u have is maybe a little too much. I'm not worried if I have a locker not work because I have a winch and can stack rocks. I think you're worried you'll be down in a hole and your stuck forever because your locker air line broke. But in that case u just pull the winch. Their isn't much I'm afraid of anymore except if a break a sector shaft. That's my worst nightmare lol. I don't like the idea of stainless flex line to my locker. If the line get caught on something bad and rips it(which would suck cuz it is zip tied to my brake hose)I don't want the hose to be so strong that it rips the whole fitting out of the 3rd member. If really worried another roll of nylon hose can be stashed in the tool box. The factory elocker aren't the best design I agree. I had a powertrax in my rear diff for a long time, it worked OK, super sketchey on icy roads though.
 
I understand what you're saying. But I think the concern u have is maybe a little too much. I'm not worried if I have a locker not work because I have a winch and can stack rocks. I think you're worried you'll be down in a hole and your stuck forever because your locker air line broke. But in that case u just pull the winch. Their isn't much I'm afraid of anymore except if a break a sector shaft. That's my worst nightmare lol. I don't like the idea of stainless flex line to my locker. If the line get caught on something bad and rips it(which would suck cuz it is zip tied to my brake hose)I don't want the hose to be so strong that it rips the whole fitting out of the 3rd member. If really worried another roll of nylon hose can be stashed in the tool box. The factory elocker aren't the best design I agree. I had a powertrax in my rear diff for a long time, it worked OK, super sketchey on icy roads though.

No, that's not what I'm worried about at all. I have a winch. But, I also realize you cannot winch yourself out of the trails we run out here. Once you're in....you're not getting out without having 4 wheels pulling....winch or no winch....and your buddy can't tow you out either. There's just too many obstacles that are too big to try and do that. We've had guys that were running traditional steering break sector shafts....which is part of the reason most of us run full hydro....but if you break something bad....you usually just have to leave it as a trail tampon until you can get back with new parts (unless you carry the spare you happened to need....for example, I carry a spare full hydro steering pump....rarer stuff, like spindles or complete knuckles, I carry in the tow rig).

As for stainless line.....it all depends on proper routing.....I send them down the links themselves so they can't get snagged on anything. If you do it that way....it's just a lot more durable in the long run vs. the supplied blue plastic line.
 
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So in center DIFF LOCK. All four actually get power ? What's the difference between center DIFF LOCK and 4x4

On a multi-mode 4runner, it's all wheel drive all the time until you engage the center diff lock. And then it's 4WD. You have a manual though according to your sig. So you would have the J-style shifter with H2, H4, N, and then L4. Aka you wouldn't have a center diff lock because you don't have AWD.
 
Love mine too....but I'm getting rid of it for a Detroit.

I would have a really hard time letting go of a selectable locker for a Detroit.

Both have their pros and cons, but I like having the control. Detroit is probably more robust/durable but you also have some slop in the drive line with it too.

What type of off-road driving do you like to do?
 

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