Front Recovery Point Interest Thread

[Kfog375]

Hey guys!

I manufacture heavy duty recovery points for 4th gen/GX470 that work with factory bumpers. Its an inexpensive option for heavy duty, rated recovery points without having to shell out $1000+ on a full bumper. I had a lot of questions at Lone Star Toyota Jamboree and on various facebook groups about making a recovery point for 5th gens/GX460. So i've done that.

These will fit with a factory bumper and an ARB bull bar, possibly others, those are just the two I am sure about. They'll be laser cut from 1/2" steel plate, and rated by ATSM-E4 standards (don't have that done yet, but its coming). My minimum rating will be 10k lbs per point, i'll have to do a redesign if for some reason it doesn't get there. I'm confident it won't be an issue based on simulations.

I just got my first two prototypes back to verify all my measurements and fitment, as well as get load testing started. So with all that said, i'm thinking pricing will be around the $150 mark for a pair of powder coated recovery points with hardware.

I'm trying to gauge interest and see if a group buy would be worth organizing on these.

**see page 7 for updated revision and test fit 5th gen points. These will not be powdercoated, had some issues with damaged powder in transit so we are no longer offering this**

***THESE ARE READY AND AVAILABLE FOR SALE, SEE PAGE 9 FOR UPDATE***

here's my 4th gen point installed:


here's the prototype 5th gens I got from laser yesterday:

 

[Scriffer]

I don't have plans for a new front bumper for a long time, so something like this is perfect for me. I'd be in for a group buy (provided I have enough posts to join in).

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[srsrogerissrs]

I'm in

 

[gundrted+t4r]

I like the idea, but i'm not sure about $150. Not sure that would be worth it for me at that price.

What is compatibility with skid plates like ARB.

Also ... what is idea behind the oval hole vs a round hole. A round hole would be better suited to a D-ring.

 

[Thirty4]

I found the Allen Wrench in the photo, do I get a prize?

 

[Kfog375]

I like the idea, but i'm not sure about $150. Not sure that would be worth it for me at that price.

What is compatibility with skid plates like ARB.

Also ... what is idea behind the oval hole vs a round hole. A round hole would be better suited to a D-ring.

These bolt on the outside of the frame rail, skid plates should not be affected.

The oval hole allows you to use a soft or hard shackle.

 

[Kfog375]

I found the Allen Wrench in the photo, do I get a prize?

lol pm me for your prize.


The allen wrench was there investigating a fix for KDSS lean.

 

[gundrted+t4r]

lol pm me for your prize.


The allen wrench was there investigating a fix for KDSS lean.

Will these also fix any KDSS lean from a lift?????

eep:

 

[Kfog375]

Will these also fix any KDSS lean from a lift?????

eep:

These won't fix the lean, but i'm working on something that hopefully does.

 

[mrblah]

id be interested at 150 dollar price point.

To others on the fence about price point, 150 actually isn't bad if you cross shop his offerings with other known manufactures.

 

[Kfog375]

id be interested at 150 dollar price point.

To others on the fence about price point, 150 actually isn't bad if you cross shop his offerings with other known manufactures.

I know there are a few people making similar products in australia, and ARB is available here (I believe they're like $300 for one point). Do you know of any others?

 

[mrblah]

just arb

 

[wfo9]

Most aftermarket bumpers will tie in right there....


I don't understand the need for this... The factory tow hooks are 100% adequate for any recovery.. just low and this is basically the same spot...

 

[CharlestonFisher]

I don't understand the need for this... The factory tie downs are 100% inadequate for any recovery....

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[Kfog375]

Most aftermarket bumpers will tie in right there....


I don't understand the need for this... The factory tow hooks are 100% adequate for any recovery.. just low and this is basically the same spot...

Correct they do, it will work in conjunction with arb (no recovery points on those). If you've got a full replacement with recovery points, these are unnecessary. The idea is to give an upgraded solution that will work with a factory bumper, designed and load tested specifically for a recovery.

Regarding the factory tie downs, i've never seen or heard anything from Toyota that specifically states the intended use, what kind of loads they are designed to withstand, etc. They are certainly used to tie the vehicle down for shipping, but beyond that who really knows. I know my 4th gen points are load tested and certified to 13000 lbs, and these will have also receive a rating. They were designed specifically for recovery.


I had someone share this photo with me on instagram right after posting my 4th gen points. Don't have any backstory, but it is a factory tie down that broke at the weld on the frame. No bueno.

 

[wfo9]

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Call them what you want... They are stronger than anything you can throw at them and I would trust them 100%. I've dropped the full weight of my truck on one many times... It's about as solid as you can get.. but you can keep creating that false "fear" if you like.

 

[philsey]

Most aftermarket bumpers will tie in right there....


I don't understand the need for this... The factory tow hooks are 100% adequate for any recovery...

Need? NEED ??? I laugh! There is no need for half the shit guys on this forum have to have. Wait ... well .... except for posing that is.

C'mon wfo, be real.

Do you really NEED all this?

 

[wfo9]

Correct they do, it will work in conjunction with arb (no recovery points on those). If you've got a full replacement with recovery points, these are unnecessary. The idea is to give an upgraded solution that will work with a factory bumper, designed and load tested specifically for a recovery.

Regarding the factory tie downs, i've never seen or heard anything from Toyota that specifically states the intended use, what kind of loads they are designed to withstand, etc. They are certainly used to tie the vehicle down for shipping, but beyond that who really knows. I know my 4th gen points are load tested and certified to 13000 lbs, and these will have also receive a rating. They were designed specifically for recovery.


I had someone share this photo with me on instagram right after posting my 4th gen points. Don't have any backstory, but it is a factory tie down that broke at the weld on the frame. No bueno.

The picture you posted abote is not a 5th gen 4runner...Totally different design. I'm not trying to kill your product.. But the factory front recovery points are pretty much indestructible on the 5th gen from my experience and a little common sense in fabrication... I'm sure there is a scenario where they are not adequate.. and the placement is clearly not ideal...

They do hang low.. so I can see an advantage to cutting them off... But Most people don't push their trucks hard enough with a factory bumper to see any benefit.

And I'm not trying to be an ass.. but you said your product will be rated... Is this rated done on the truck with all the attachment points considered or on a machine....

 

[Kfog375]

No fear mongering, just providing an upgraded solution. Just like 75% of what we bolt on our rigs.


You're right, it was a 120 platform, either a FJ, 4th gen, prado, or GX. The design on the 5th gen is the same though. I've attached a pic of a 5thgen for reference.

 

[philsey]

And I'm not trying to be an ass...

Me either.