Front TRD Limited Slip Need info???

chassis23

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Found a guy that is selling what he claims are NIB TRD LS’s front and rear that will fit my 96, I cannot find a part number for the front to make sure that it will fit my truck before I spend money. Any help??

If someone is interested in the rear LS let me know and I can give you his number.
 
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PART# 00646-41301-100
TRD Limited Slip Differential Installs in YOUR housing member.

Fits Tundra, Sequoia, and Tacoma V6 2 Prerunner or 4WD, 4cyl 4WD.
This is a clutch type limited slip design, exclusively designed by EATON* for TRD*

3 spider gear design is superior to the OE 2 gear design for durability and strength.
 
So the guy sent me a picture of the box, the part number (that I can read, smudged a bit with age) 41301-RN001

There is another picture where the numbers are not legible then it says again -RN001 after it.

Most of the writing is in Japanese so that’s not much help, does say LMTD/SLP DIFF, that is pretty easy to decipher. I’m just not sure if it’s worth taking a chance on.
 
PART# 00646-41301-100
TRD Limited Slip Differential Installs in YOUR housing member.

Fits Tundra, Sequoia, and Tacoma V6 2 Prerunner or 4WD, 4cyl 4WD.
This is a clutch type limited slip design, exclusively designed by EATON* for TRD*

3 spider gear design is superior to the OE 2 gear design for durability and strength.

This has all kinds of wrong in it.

Are we talking front diff or rear diff.

Beacause the Prerunner will not have a front diff

And Tacos, Tundras and Sequoia's rear diff are larger then the 4runners.
 
I am talking about a front LS, all the numbers I have provided were off the box for the 7.5 IFS TRD LS, I am just trying to make use it actually fits my truck before I spend money.
 
So the eaton LSD from Randys pinion will not work? there is a specific one for our vehicle? I ask because I just had one installed that I ordered from Randys when I put in new gears, I have not picked it up yet after the install has been redone, rear pinion needed reset, but the mechanic said that the 4wd dash light goes on when 4wd button is pushed but only for a second then goes off. After reading this thread it has me wondering if maybe its because the LSD is wrong?
 
I am talking about a front LS, all the numbers I have provided were off the box for the 7.5 IFS TRD LS, I am just trying to make use it actually fits my truck before I spend money.

It probably won't work with ADD. You will have to get manual hubs to make it work in 2wd.

I remember reading some where, that the 7.5 Supra limited slip diff would work...
 
It probably won't work with ADD. You will have to get manual hubs to make it work in 2wd.

I remember reading some where, that the 7.5 Supra limited slip diff would work...

What is ADD? I know...it probably sounds like a totally noob question but I have never seen it in my 3 yrs on the forum. As I understood it the LSD would only work when I have 4wd engaged. Primarily for on the road during icy/snowy/slick roads.
 
Here's the thing with a front LSD - unless you have ADD or manual hubs, it will always be working to keep your front wheels turning at the same speed, even when you're in 2wd. This will cause a stiff steering wheel and reduced RTC, a bit of increased tire wear, and on wet or icy surfaces it'll cause noticeable understeer. With manual hubs, you can disconnect your wheels from the axles and the LSD becomes effectively invisible. With an active ADD system in 2wd, the LSD will also be invisible. But if Singtoe is right and you have to defeat the ADD in order to make the LSD work, you're not going to like how the LSD behaves in daily driving, icy roads or not.

I ran a True Trac in the front of my '86 for a while. I decided I didn't like it. It helped a little off-road, but trying to use 4wd on winter roads led to pretty bad understeer. If your concern is winter driving, I would strongly recommend against a front LSD.
 
Well my truck has ADD, as I thought all of the 3rd gens 4x4’s did unless you had lock-out hubs, so all the negative on road handling issues are moot. I am by no means new to the 4x4 world and have been building and driving trucks for years, I am just new to Toyotas. I understand that a LS is not a going to be a great as a locker, but it is a hell of a step up from an open diff. My truck is built as an expedition rig, so added front traction when you are out there all alone can be a real game changer. My question is to see if this unit is indeed for my truck, before I spend a penny on it. Or worse yet get mind all ripped apart and find that it’s not the right unit. This guy claims that he bought these a few years ago for my exact truck, but we all know how that works.
 
The problem with ADD is that when in 2wd, the Spider gears in the front diff are still spinning. When you add a LSD in there, the spider gears are connected to the diff carrier with clutches.

So in 2wd, the front wheels will drive the front diff and drive shaft.

Now, there will be no driveabilty issues in 2wd, you will be rotating a lot of parts that normally don't rotate in 2wd causing more wear and gas consumption.
 
You raise a good point, as I said I’m new to Toyotas. So with my t-case the front driveshaft is not spinning when I’m going down the road in 2wd? If with a LS it would be spin all the time that would create a slew of new issues and yes a lot more ware. And if that is the case that would also explain why locking hubs would be my best option if I wanted to use any traction aid that can’t be turned on or off.
 
You raise a good point, as I said I’m new to Toyotas. So with my t-case the front driveshaft is not spinning when I’m going down the road in 2wd? If with a LS it would be spin all the time that would create a slew of new issues and yes a lot more ware. And if that is the case that would also explain why locking hubs would be my best option if I wanted to use any traction aid that can’t be turned on or off.

Without manual hubs, your wheels are permanently tied to your CV axles, so when the wheels are spinning the axles are spinning. The ADD splits one of those CV axles when you're in 2WD so that the wheels aren't connected. One wheel (on the side without the ADD actuator) is always spinning the diff, but because it's a differential, it mostly spins free and very little of that force is transmitted to the front driveshaft, which also spins freely because it's disengaged at the tcase.

If you put an LSD in the front differential, then it's going to do what it's supposed to do and try to match the speed between the CV axles. The ADD side is still going to be disconnected in 2WD so you won't feel a difference in the wheel, but there's going to be much more force transmitted to the front driveshaft, which is what Singtoe is talking about. That's a slight mileage hit and a little bit of increased wear on those drivetrain parts - not a big deal.

When you DO put it in 4WD, you will get slightly more traction on level ground, which is a good thing. You will also get slightly harder steering, much less RTC, and a fair amount of understeer on slippy surfaces like ice or sand. If you articulate and unload a wheel, the LSD will not be strong enough to keep power to the loaded wheel like a locker would - you'll still spin just like you had an open diff. So really, the only place the front LSD is going to make a difference in your truck's ability is on steep unarticulated climbs, or deep but level mud/sand/snow situations. If those drawbacks are worth the slightly added ability in those specific situations to you, go for it.

My concern is that if Singtoe is right and you have to disable the ADD in order to install the LSD, then it's going to be working all the time, 2WD or 4WD won't matter. And I'd call that a Bad Thing for a street truck. You could install manual hubs, which have their own set of benefits, but by the time you buy the LSD, install it, and then convert to manual hubs, you'll have spent almost as much as if you'd just bought an airlocker and compressor in the first place.
 
I think you are absolutely correct, the minimal traction gain for a lot of cost is just not worth the time. I lift a front wheel often and with a rear locker the truck does very well but a front would be a very nice feature.

If anyone is interested in them this guy has the front and rear TRD LS’s new in the box, $400 for the pair. Let me know and I can put you in touch with him. Thanks for the help guys.
 

Thanks for the idea...I never thought about that!

As for the discussion thank you guys for all the information! This thread would have been amazingly valuable a week ago! lol Now I have to take the LSD outta my front diff. I had read another post that had suggested it and the poster had great luck with one. But this discussion has been way more technical in nature and informative thanks to Singtoe and Kidvermicious.

And by the way Singtoe....15 min of googling and still no find on ADD.....except attention deficit disorder and items you can add to your 4wd vehicle....
 
Thanks for the idea...I never thought about that!

As for the discussion thank you guys for all the information! This thread would have been amazingly valuable a week ago! lol Now I have to take the LSD outta my front diff. I had read another post that had suggested it and the poster had great luck with one. But this discussion has been way more technical in nature and informative thanks to Singtoe and Kidvermicious.

And by the way Singtoe....15 min of googling and still no find on ADD.....except attention deficit disorder and items you can add to your 4wd vehicle....

Singtoe....Oooops! I just actually clicked the link you sent and it took me right to that! DOH! sorry!
 
This has all kinds of wrong in it.

Are we talking front diff or rear diff.

Beacause the Prerunner will not have a front diff

And Tacos, Tundras and Sequoia's rear diff are larger then the 4runners.

Yeah I wasn't endorsing it, just giving the lad some info. I thought that showing what differentials it was for would make it common sense that it wouldn't work in a 3rd gen 4Runner
 

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