Fuel line magnets?

[cptyerman]

Fuel savings

OK guys - here's the results on the Tornado.

Prior to it's use, I was getting 16.6 to 17.3 MPG city/highway.

After installation, I got 18.7 to 21.1 MPG city/highway.

These numbers are coming from the on board computer. Unless the computer is getting tricked out - it's saving fuel. I'm spending less also.

It definitely performs better with highway use. I do recommend this. You tell me I'm lyeing or I'm full of it - I don't care; I am saving fuel and that was my objective.

If you are interested in doing the same - feel free to write me; I'll be glad to tell you how to install it to make it work correctly.

I've gotten the fuel line magnet and am in talks with right now with it's proper use and installation. I will post an update when I have more data. Right now, this item doesn't seem to be working as well as advertised - We'll see.

 

[007Runner]

Re: Fuel savings

OK guys - here's the results on the Tornado.

Prior to it's use, I was getting 16.6 to 17.3 MPG city/highway.

After installation, I got 18.7 to 21.1 MPG city/highway.

These numbers are coming from the on board computer. Unless the computer is getting tricked out - it's saving fuel. I'm spending less also.

It definitely performs better with highway use. I do recommend this. You tell me I'm lyeing or I'm full of it - I don't care; I am saving fuel and that was my objective.

If you are interested in doing the same - feel free to write me; I'll be glad to tell you how to install it to make it work correctly.

I've gotten the fuel line magnet and am in talks with right now with it's proper use and installa ion. I will post an update when I have more data. Right now, this item doesn't seem to be working as well as advertised - We'll see.

First of all very important: DO NOT GO BY THE ON BOARD COMPUTER! It is notoriously inaccurate and just about worthless. Start by filling up the tank first. Set your trip odometer to 0. Divide the number of miles driven, by the amount of gallons you pump to fill the tank back up. This is the only way to accurately figure out your mpg. Consumer reports and myth busters both did a test with this product. The end result was a drop in mpg. In my state the attorney general office went after the company that makes this product for fraudulent advertising. Every heard the expression a fool and his money are soon parted. Don't be a fool get your money back if you can.

 

[spyne]

:iagree: As I said earlier, don't rely on the on-board computer (although I referred to it as a trip computer in my earlier post).

 

[cptyerman]

guys - your right - don't buy it. I don't care. like I said, I don't care what you think. I'm saving fuel.

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[Kmvreter]

guys - your right - don't buy it. I don't care. like I said, I don't care what you think.

I think this is an interesting thread. Let's keep it civil and the mods will keep it alive. I'm not partial one way or another (I have the V6) but at least we have a member who has a unit he's willing to test.
Like some of the other's here though I would like more facts. I keep extremely good track of my costs, mileage, fuel use, engine hours, etc... My actual mileage has been from a low of 14.59 ImpMPG to a high of 26.75. I have seen mileage swings of 9 Mpg from tank to tank depending on many conditions. My overall yearly averages for 3 years are 21.09, 20.51, and 20.67 respectively. I have experienced a trip display error range of -29.9% to +5.3% (usually overstated.)
cptyerman,
Would you be willing to start tracking your fuel use and mileage (if you already aren't doing so?) Long term data will go a long way to settle any debate.

 

[007Runner]

This thread should be closed. These fuel saving devices are pure scams. The attorney generals office is going after them for fraudulent claims. It is no longer a debate. Just a fact that these companies are scamming people of low intelligence and educational levels.

 

[Koz]

:corn:

Koz

 

[Kmvreter]

This thread should be closed. These fuel saving devices are pure scams. The attorney generals office is going after them for fraudulent claims. It is no longer a debate. Just a fact that these companies are scamming people of low intelligence and educational levels.

I disagree with closing the thread. Let's use this opportunity to get more facts, especially T4R specific.
I'm the guy that installed a CounterAct rust protection system (I'll see if there is a benefit in 10 years.). The jury is still out about the item but let's not close our minds to the facts. Same applies here. If there is a benefit in the V8 I may try it in my V6. Curious minds want to know.

 

[007Runner]

This has got to be the year of the scams. Lets talk for a moment about your electronic rust protection system. Problem one, if your not submerged in water this system is ineffective. This system has been in use for many years on oil platforms and bridges. Two important facts here: 1 must be totally submerged in water. 2 a few hundred amps of electricity is being used. 3 the tiny current being produced by your corrosion system is not powerfull enough to protect a toy car. Water submersion is the most important factor, next is lots of electrical current.

 

[Kmvreter]

This has got to be the year of the scams. Lets talk for a moment about your electronic rust protection system. Problem one, if your not submerged in water this system is ineffective. This system has been in use for many years on oil platforms and bridges. Two important facts here: 1 must be totally submerged in water. 2 a few hundred amps of electricity is being used. 3 the tiny current being produced by your corrosion system is not powerfull enough to protect a toy car. Water submersion is the most important factor, next is lots of electrical current.

Topic for another, previous, thread I posted. Let's not hijack the fuel debate.

 

[cptyerman]

I would be glad to track further data. Thanks for asking and your interest. It will take me longer than normal. CPT yerman stands for Captain - I am an airline pilot and am gone for 4 days at a time - my engine cycles are not normal compared to yours. I'll do the best I can with hard statistics.

What I can confirm right now is that I am fueling up less often; with the same usage. Other than the computer, saying so, it works.
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I apologize for the cruedness of my last comment; believe me when I say, it was not directed toward people such as yourself.

 

[Kmvreter]

I would be glad to track further data. Thanks for asking and your interest. It will take me longer than normal. CPT yerman stands for Captain - I am an airline pilot and am gone for 4 days at a time - my engine cycles are not normal compared to yours. I'll do the best I can with hard statistics.

What I can confirm right now is that I am fueling up less often; with the same usage. Other than the computer, saying so, it works.
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I apologize for the cruedness of my last comment; believe me when I say, it was not directed toward people such as yourself.

Thanks for the update and for willing to play along.
To quote 007Runner "Just a fact that these companies are scamming people of low intelligence and educational levels." Obviously from your credentials this is not a fact. Some people (ie. enthusiasts) just want to experiment to "stick it to the man", in this case the oil companies that are scamming the consumer.

 

[Light_Mania]

Re: Fuel savings

OK guys - here's the results on the Tornado.

Prior to it's use, I was getting 16.6 to 17.3 MPG city/highway.

After installation, I got 18.7 to 21.1 MPG city/highway.

Very interesting. A 10-20% increase in fuel economy using the Tornado. That must mean your vehicle was spewing out 10-20% of your fuel as unburned hydrocarbons before installing the Tornado. Sounds to me like something that should be covered under the emissions warranty. Then again, I guess it is possible that it wasn't a very well controlled experiment.

 

[cptyerman]

These were the numbers that it put up and yeah I'm picking up 3 miles to the gallon. Don't believe it - fine with me. I was reluctant to post this with prior animosity; I felt that some of the other people wanted to know.

I also have nothing to gain by posting this - in fact, I have to deal with people telling me that I'm full of it. I said I recommend this - it's saving me fuel and money. You have to make up your own mind or it's just a huge coincidence.

It doesn't necessarily mean that it was spewing gas out the exhaust. It could mean that it was using more fuel to accomplish the same horsepower or if you will - operating at a different volumetric efficiency compared to stochiometric.

Or you could be right - don't know. I bought a 2005 certified preowned V8 with 19000 miles. I can tell you the correct way to install it and I just delivered the stats - don't know about Knock offs either. I'm tired of arguing with people or having to defend myself.

Yeah, I bought it, and I'm keeping it - have me shot at dawn for doing so without your permission.

I'll respond in a month with exact mpg per tank of gas for those of you who keep an opened mind. I'm not interested in anyone else's comments at this time. I personnally was better off not discussing this with most of you. Thank you.

 

[Light_Mania]

You can't really expect members of this forum to accept your claims uncritically, you'll have to defend them. Thats part of what a public forum like this is alll about. Apart from the thermodynamic improbability of these kind of mileage gains from an air intake device, its almost inconceivable that engine designers could overlook something so simple that offers such dramatic benefits.

And why should anyone accept without question your disclaimer of no financial involvement in the products in question? There really is nothing to keep a vendor from signing on and anonymously posting claims like this to jack up sales. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but its been done before and there is no easy way for any of us to know exactly where you are coming from.

Keep the posts coming, but do expect hard questions and requests for substantiation and confirmation from others - preferably from those with an established reputation (and I don't claim to be one of those).

 

[greasefingers]

To the best of my knowledge, gaining 3 mpg is near impossible to accomplish.

Reporting fuel mileage also needs to be done in a statically sound way. It should be preformed consuming at least three full tanks using the same type of gas over the same driving conditions.

 

[sharp4runr]

cptyerman - don't take our questions comments personally. I think we're all cynical by nature

I'm sure Aristotle had a hard time convincing people that the Earth is round. Heck, to this day there are some people who still believe the Earth is flat.

 

[007Runner]

I have one question: If this crap really does improve gas mileage. Why do you suppose Consumer reports, Myth busters all reported drops in mileage and the Attorney General is going after this company for false advertising and fraud? Must work super well huh? Better hurry up and purchase this product before it is too late.

 

[Boston_Runner]

If the Tornado can improve gas mileage by 3 mpg, I would think that every car manufacturer would install one from the factory to meet the new CAFE standard. Why spend millions in research to improve feul economy when all you need is a $10 device.

 

[Traveler]

These were the numbers that it put up and yeah I'm picking up 3 miles to the gallon. Don't believe it - fine with me.
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I'm not interested in anyone else's comments at this time. I personnally was better off not discussing this with most of you. Thank you.

3 MPG on a truck that gets 16 MPG is freaking significant. We're talking 15-20%. That's big money.

Do you appreciate what we're talking about here? You're a pilot, and you intimately understand what a 15-20% increase in fuel efficiency means in the greater scheme of things, right?

Ok Cap'n, specifically how did you obtain your baseline numbers ('before") and how did you obtain your post-installation "after" numbers. Your calculations are only as good as the underlying data.

Surely you must expect us to be skeptical..

Your realize this makes all the engineers at Toyota look pretty stupid..

No, let me correct myself...

Your realize this makes all the engineers at Toyota, GM, Daimler Benz, Honda, Ford, et cetera ad infinitum look pretty stupid..

Well they must be, to overlook a simple, cheap 15-20% improvement in fuel efficiency.

And let's not forget Nascar and Formula One racing. Don't you think they'd have availed themselves of such a huge performance increase, if it actually worked?

Never mind CAFE standards, and the like, perhaps the government ought to require that the Tornado be installed on all vehicles by the year 2008?

Have you called your congressman?

I think the Tornado engineers deserve the Nobel prize. We've licked global warming. Spread the word and let the celebrations begin.