Full bushing swap for suspension

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mendozer

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Anyone every swap out the ENTIRE bushing setup with those Energy Suspension kits. Seems pricey at 670 bucks and I wonder how many of those bushings really matter.

I obviously want to change sway end link bushings, control arm bushings, but do I need the body ones? Bump stops would be nice sure.

this is the kit I'm referring to
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includes these:
Front Control Arm Bushings - 8.3132
Front Bump Stop Set - 8.9103
Front Sway Bar Bushings Set - 26mm - 8.5141
Body Mount Bushings - 8.4110
Steering Rack Bushings - 8.10103
Rear Control Arm Bushings - 8.3133
Rear Bump Stop Set - 8.9104
Rear Shock Bushings - 8.8102
Rear Sway Bar Bushings Set - 14mm - 8.5142
Rear Track Bar Bushings - 8.7106
 
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His posts usually need a bit of "interpreting"... ;)

I assume he is referring to using Whiteline Bushings for the A arms and rear linkage.
The A arms in particular are easier to install compared to the ES version.
I went this route about 3 yrs. ago - and while they have been quiet, the rears are starting to wallow out.
I do wheel the vehicle proper, so that is quite likely the cause of the accelerated wear. YMMV
 
interesting whiteline shows the rear as 17mm. i've seen 19mm for the rears elsewhere.

I think for now I'll just do sway bar bushings. New end links will be done too. Those are the only ones I'll do for now
 
GhostRing said:
His posts usually need a bit of "interpreting"... ;)
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:iagree: :eyebrows: lighten up, got [MENTION=135170]mendozer[/MENTION] to ask his question. Conversation continuation.

[MENTION=135170]mendozer[/MENTION] I use OE LCA's, Whiteline UCA Rear Links, ES Rack S/B's Body. YMMV.
4 yrs dual lockers "don't use em lose em" works for me, for now.
ES last I'd use for LCA's
 
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Why the mixture? Did you find some brands bushings just lasting longer for those specific applications? like why not whiteline for all if ES is inferior?

also I don't understand the "4 yrs dual lockers "don't use em lose em" works for me, for now" comment. Are you saying that by not using the lockers you ruin the bushings?
 
I'd definitely go with Whiteline over Energy Suspension for the Front Lower Control Arms. I'd also use Whiteline for the Rear Upper and Lower Control Arms.

Energy Suspension is good for the Steering Rack and Sway Bar Bushings.
[MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I have videos for all these bushing swaps on our Timmy the Toolman YouTube Channel. Just do a search on our channel and you'll find what you're looking for.

Timmy The Toolman - YouTube
 
mendozer said:
Why the mixture? Did you find some brands bushings just lasting longer for those specific applications? like why not whiteline for all if ES is inferior?

also I don't understand the "4 yrs dual lockers "don't use em lose em" works for me, for now" comment. Are you saying that by not using the lockers you ruin the bushings?
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Energy Suspension isn't remotely comparable to Whiteline for the front lower control arms. Whiteline mimics the OEM design providing a metal sleeve that encases the poly bushings. Energy Suspension requires you to burn out your old rubber bushings and use the OEM sleeves. ES sucks because of that. Whiteline is way more plug and play and they also last.
 
mendozer said:
Why the mixture? Did you find some brands bushings just lasting longer for those specific applications?

"don't use em lose em"
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I tried ES LCA bushings 09-10 not inclined to do it again, W/L come along since figured
others would chime in with whiteline exp. red flag ES this area.
OE v PU some tradeoffs your choice I might experiment again. Later.
OE Rear link options limited W/L>ES 12k+- mi look good.
ES least critical easy to change stuff. $.00002

Comes from OE locker quirk, effort and expense lockers not meant to sit there and look pretty.
My mix 4 yrs of dual locker use/abuse no failures YMMV.
 
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mtbtim said:
I'd definitely go with Whiteline over Energy Suspension for the Front Lower Control Arms. I'd also use Whiteline for the Rear Upper and Lower Control Arms.

Energy Suspension is good for the Steering Rack and Sway Bar Bushings.

[MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I have videos for all these bushing swaps on our Timmy the Toolman YouTube Channel. Just do a search on our channel and you'll find what you're looking for.

Timmy The Toolman - YouTube
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The last time I bought ES R&P bushings, the D shaped bushing was WAY too soft and you could see the rack move up and down when you turned the steering wheel. I replaced that piece with the part from the Whiteline kit and the problem was solved. Much firmer durometer bushing.

I have Whiteline LCA bushings and they were a perfect fit.
 
Poly is more maintenance intensive. Ideally you need to disassemble and regrease annually - but good for you if you are that motivated. I also use Energy Suspension grease on all my Whiteline bushings. It is silicone based and resists washout longer than Whiteline's moly grease.

Not impressed with ES aside from their steering rack bushings. But I do have a minor clunk on my passenger side so I will now inspect the D shape bushing. I have Whiteline upper and lower bushings up front. Install sucked but by far the most worthwhile reward. ALSO, I spray the crap out of my frame with Fluid Film and notice that it stops my bushings from squeaking. We'll see how long I can get by with that shortcut. I'm doing the full Whiteline treatment on all my rear bushings soon too. They make quality products.
 
mtbtim said:
I'd definitely go with Whiteline over Energy Suspension for the Front Lower Control Arms. I'd also use Whiteline for the Rear Upper and Lower Control Arms.

Energy Suspension is good for the Steering Rack and Sway Bar Bushings.

[MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I have videos for all these bushing swaps on our Timmy the Toolman YouTube Channel. Just do a search on our channel and you'll find what you're looking for.

Timmy The Toolman - YouTube
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Oh I'm VERY familiar with the channel lol I use it all the time. Great job. I ended up finding good ebay deals on OEM. So I got OEM UCA, LCA, front and rear, UBJ, cam bolts/sleeves, then I got the ES sway bar mounts and trailing arm bushings.
It's hard to find the 2nd gen sway bar links too (bc I'm lifting 2"). I went with Moog. hopefully it lasts although I highly doubt it will.
 
mendozer said:
Oh I'm VERY familiar with the channel lol I use it all the time. Great job. I ended up finding good ebay deals on OEM. So I got OEM UCA, LCA, front and rear, UBJ, cam bolts/sleeves, then I got the ES sway bar mounts and trailing arm bushings.
It's hard to find the 2nd gen sway bar links too (bc I'm lifting 2"). I went with Moog. hopefully it lasts although I highly doubt it will.
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These 2nd Gen T4R rear end links seem to hold up: https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/...7917/automotive-suv-1994-toyota-4runner?pos=0

Hope this helps

Cheers
 
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