Gas Tank Size?

[M1911]

If the new sale fails, they will have to bring a new 4runner again for a large majority of "loyal" customers as they could meet their demand, such as bigger tank and real V6. Nissan still makes v6 and there has been rumor about new Xterra. I dont know if the new Land Cruiser would be a big hit.

Oh for goodness sakes. The new 4Runner won’t fail because the gas tank is marginally smaller. Given the increased fuel economy, it will have as good or better range than the 5th gen. Nor will it fail because they have replaced that horrible 4.0 with a modern turbo 4 that has better power, better low-end torque, better fuel economy, and better NVH.

The folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts. The grumbling you read here has nothing to do with the opinion of the majority of buyers. This is the same type of grumbling that has happened among enthusiasts at the launch of every generation of the 4Runner. And each time the new generation has sold well despite the grumbling of enthusiasts who hate change.

Drive the new turbo 4 before you decide that you hate it. I think you will find that it drives far better than the awful 4.0 and 5-speed combination.

 

[young]

Oh for goodness sakes. The new 4Runner won’t fail because the gas tank is marginally smaller. Given the increased fuel economy, it will have as good or better range than the 5th gen. Nor will it fail because they have replaced that horrible 4.0 with a modern turbo 4 that has better power, better low-end torque, better fuel economy, and better NVH.

The folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts. The grumbling you read here has nothing to do with the opinion of the majority of buyers. This is the same type of grumbling that has happened among enthusiasts at the launch of every generation of the 4Runner. And each time the new generation has sold well despite the grumbling of enthusiasts who hate change.

Drive the new turbo 4 before you decide that you hate it. I think you will find that it drives far better than the awful 4.0 and 5-speed combination.

I have my car with 2.5 with turbo and the mid size trucks have a bit smaller cylinders. Toyota downsizes their engines and it could switch EV on everything. Stop acting like a representative for Toyota.

 

[M1911]

I have my car with 2.5 with turbo and the mid size trucks have a bit smaller cylinders. Toyota downsizes their engines and it could switch EV on everything. Stop acting like a representative for Toyota.

2023 4Runner 270 hp @ 5600 rpm, 278 lb-ft at 4400 rpm

2025 hybrid will have 326 hp and 465 lb-ft, both at far lower rpm than the 4.0.

The only good thing about the previous powertrain was its reliability. The 4.0 gets horrible fuel economy, worse than most full-size pickups. The 4.0 has poor low-end torque. The 4.0 has to be wound up to high rpm to make power and that engine has terrible noise, vibration, and harshness.

I have been strongly criticizing the 2023 drivetrain, which a Toyota representative would not do.

Toyota is not switching to EV everything — you are just changing the topic and throwing out an objection hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Test drive the new powertrain before you declare it to be terrible. Your local dealer probably has a 2024 Tacoma in stock. Go drive one.

 

[young]

2023 4Runner 270 hp @ 5600 rpm, 278 lb-ft at 4400 rpm

2025 hybrid will have 326 hp and 465 lb-ft, both at far lower rpm than the 4.0.

The only good thing about the previous powertrain was its reliability. The 4.0 gets horrible fuel economy, worse than most full-size pickups. The 4.0 has poor low-end torque. The 4.0 has to be wound up to high rpm to make power and that engine has terrible noise, vibration, and harshness.

I have been strongly criticizing the 2023 drivetrain, which a Toyota representative would not do.

Toyota is not switching to EV everything — you are just changing the topic and throwing out an objection hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Test drive the new powertrain before you declare it to be terrible. Your local dealer probably has a 2024 Tacoma in stock. Go drive one.

Geez i know the numbers but the hybrid is two sources to boost some bs and shorten the term. 4.0 is plenty and takes less slapping which would run longer. That could hit 500k miles. I am waiting to check OR trim but not in rush. You should run hybrid version for many miles and keep here posted. Try to reach 500k with original powertrain.

 

[hoobhoob]

That could hit 500k miles. I am waiting to check OR trim but not in rush. You should run hybrid version for many miles and keep here posted. Try to reach 500k with original powertrain.

Napkin math, if you intend to drive 500k miles on the power train, comparing the new model's fuel economy vs the old one's, at an average of $3/gal, the T2.4H would let you bank about $12000 by the time you hit 300K miles. Probably pays for a new block.

And of course, the portion of 4Runner drivers who achieve 500K on their vehicles as <checks invented stats> under 0.2%, so it's a moot point for Toyota design criteria.

 

[young]

Napkin math, if you intend to drive 500k miles on the power train, comparing the new model's fuel economy vs the old one's, at an average of $3/gal, the T2.4H would let you bank about $12000 by the time you hit 300K miles. Probably pays for a new block.

And of course, the portion of 4Runner drivers who achieve 500K on their vehicles as <checks invented stats> under 0.2%, so it's a moot point for Toyota design criteria.

Geez. That saves you alot if you dont buy another 4runner. The current 4runner is a bit cheaper. You dont know what the prices of next gene will be. That could increase $10k for turbo engine or $20 for hybrid versions plus a lot of cool features. Go back to your pre-algebra course.

 

[AZ Craig]

Stop feeding the troll .

 

[young]

Stop feeding the troll .

You own 2023 Yacht Blue Kia EV6 GT. No wonder.

 

[El Dusty]

Napkin math, if you intend to drive 500k miles on the power train, comparing the new model's fuel economy vs the old one's, at an average of $3/gal, the T2.4H would let you bank about $12000 by the time you hit 300K miles. Probably pays for a new block.

And of course, the portion of 4Runner drivers who achieve 500K on their vehicles as <checks invented stats> under 0.2%, so it's a moot point for Toyota design criteria.

That's a slippery slope arguing gas savings will offset a higher MSRP and higher cost of ownership vehicle. Historically hybrids and turbos are great until warranties end and they flood the market and tank in price with fewer owners willing to take the cost risk.

The new TRD Pro Taco is 17k more than the previous generation :happy: Thats 4.4 cents per mile savings or 386k miles to pay for the MSRP alone. (18 vs 23 mpg on taco)

I am optimistic but this is a big jump in one iteration from a car manufacturer that is know for being painfully cautious with updates.

 

[AZ Craig]

You own 2023 Yacht Blue Kia EV6 GT. No wonder.

Wasn't going to waste my time with this further, but if you want to throw shade with a snide comment like that.

Who said I own it? I wouldn't make that bad a financial decision.

The decision I did make was to lease a $63K car with a $14K cap cost reduction on it for a payment lower than the Audi I purchased... eleven years earlier.

Having fun with it for 3 years and then it goes back to Hyundai/Kia Motor Finance who is going to get hosed on the residual value. Actually brings me more smiles than almost any vehicle I've had, can run 0 to 60 mph in just over 3 seconds and costs me about 15% of what my 4Runner does in "fuel" costs currently. Coming up on 6000 miles in ~5 months with no regrets and not a single problem.

If you have a garage you can charge in, are a multi-car family and do a lot of driving in a major metropolitan area with car charging infrastructure (which you'll almost never need), EVs are a genius decision. Especially to lease with the market all screwed up.

Meanwhile, go enjoy the earth being flat.

 

[Jetboy]

Wasn't going to waste my time with this further, but if you want to throw shade with a snide comment like that.

Who said I own it? I wouldn't make that bad a financial decision.

The decision I did make was to lease a $63K car with a $14K cap cost reduction on it for a payment lower than the Audi I purchased... eleven years earlier.

Having fun with it for 3 years and then it goes back to Hyundai/Kia Motor Finance who is going to get hosed on the residual value. Actually brings me more smiles than almost any vehicle I've had, can run 0 to 60 mph in just over 3 seconds and costs me about 15% of what my 4Runner does in "fuel" costs currently. Coming up on 6000 miles in ~5 months with no regrets and not a single problem.

If you have a garage you can charge in, are a multi-car family and do a lot of driving in a major metropolitan area with car charging infrastructure (which you'll almost never need), EVs are a genius decision. Especially to lease with the market all screwed up.

Meanwhile, go enjoy the earth being flat.

I think he meant that you are a fool for not choosing Gravity Blue. But he doesn't realize that the GT is only available in Yacht Blue or Runaway Red. Between the two - Yacht Blue is the better color choice.

 

[young]

I am very sorry that you got upset about "owning" an ev. I hope you didn't boohoo. Yeah, don't you feel flat here? Geez

 

[AZ Craig]

I think he meant that you are a fool for not choosing Gravity Blue. But he doesn't realize that the GT is only available in Yacht Blue or Runaway Red. Between the two - Yacht Blue is the better color choice.

ROFL. Those are the no charge colors. Very strange how the white and black are pearls and they charge you $495 for the honor. And if you want gray it's only available in a $695 matte. Go figure.

The neon green brake calipers look kind of silly with Runaway Red .

 

[El Dusty]

2023 4Runner 270 hp @ 5600 rpm, 278 lb-ft at 4400 rpm

2025 hybrid will have 326 hp and 465 lb-ft, both at far lower rpm than the 4.0.

The only good thing about the previous powertrain was its reliability. The 4.0 gets horrible fuel economy, worse than most full-size pickups. The 4.0 has poor low-end torque. The 4.0 has to be wound up to high rpm to make power and that engine has terrible noise, vibration, and harshness.

I have been strongly criticizing the 2023 drivetrain, which a Toyota representative would not do.

Toyota is not switching to EV everything — you are just changing the topic and throwing out an objection hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Test drive the new powertrain before you declare it to be terrible. Your local dealer probably has a 2024 Tacoma in stock. Go drive one.

While this thread is getting spicy Id like to join in on the fun and point out that you are a clueless old head and hypocrite.

In the other 6th gen threads you says reliability and a quiet drive are the most important features of a car. The 4.0 is both. Why criticize the 2023 drivetrain? Its only been around for 20 years. There are a few million of these motors on the road with happy owners. You just want to hear your own whining in the echo chamber that is this forum.

Complaining about mpg when you drive a V8 landcruiser and had a V8 4Runner :der:

Toyota and all other US auto manufactures are required to sell a certain number of EVs by 2030 / 2032 because of Biden's EV mandates. It was established as high as 50% of all new vehicles but has since been reduced. So yes Toyota and all others are being forced to switch to a large percentage of hybrid and EV or pay massive penalties.

Forcing a hybrid into the high end offroad trims is a mistake and will deter the actual offroad users but please tell us more about how great this new platform may or may not be. You likely havent driven the new hyrbid and definitely haven't driven it in 4runner. You don't own a 4.0 either because you obviously have no idea how they drive.

 

[young]

2023 4Runner 270 hp @ 5600 rpm, 278 lb-ft at 4400 rpm

2025 hybrid will have 326 hp and 465 lb-ft, both at far lower rpm than the 4.0.

The only good thing about the previous powertrain was its reliability. The 4.0 gets horrible fuel economy, worse than most full-size pickups. The 4.0 has poor low-end torque. The 4.0 has to be wound up to high rpm to make power and that engine has terrible noise, vibration, and harshness.

I have been strongly criticizing the 2023 drivetrain, which a Toyota representative would not do.

Toyota is not switching to EV everything — you are just changing the topic and throwing out an objection hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Test drive the new powertrain before you declare it to be terrible. Your local dealer probably has a 2024 Tacoma in stock. Go drive one.

Yeah, I will one day. I have my bad ass v8 truck that can pull the new Tacoma PRO on tug of war easily. Don't you notice that TTI4 can tow hundreds heavier than hybrid Tacoma? I am monitoring closely on status of the new 4runner with TTI4 which could be my daily use. :whip:

 

[Jetboy]

Yeah, I will one day. I have my bad ass v8 truck that can pull the new Tacoma PRO on tug of war easily. Don't you notice that TTI4 can tow hundreds heavier than hybrid Tacoma? I am monitoring closely on status of the new 4runner with TTI4 which could be my daily use. :whip:

FWIW - It's not a TTI4. It only has one turbo.

 

[young]

FWIW - It's not a TTI4. It only has one turbo.

Shit.

 

[Trekkernottrekee]

I like to keep things in perspective.
A 1964 Corvette was 0 to 60 in 8.0 seconds.
My 22 4runner, 7.8 seconds.
Yes, this is my first post on this board.
Lurked for a while.

 

[M1911]

I like to keep things in perspective.
A 1964 Corvette was 0 to 60 in 8.0 seconds.
My 22 4runner, 7.8 seconds.
Yes, this is my first post on this board.
Lurked for a while.

I had a 1978 Trans Am with the "high output" 6.6L V8 and a 4-speed manual transmission. My 5,900 lb Land Cruiser is faster and gets better fuel economy. A new minivan would probably give my old "muscle car" a run for its money.

 

[M1911]

While this thread is getting spicy Id like to join in on the fun and point out that you are a clueless old head and hypocrite.

In the other 6th gen threads you says reliability and a quiet drive are the most important features of a car. The 4.0 is both. Why criticize the 2023 drivetrain?

I test drove the 4.0 three times. I certainly agree that it is reliable. I don't agree that it is quiet. It doesn't have much torque at low RPM. You have to push it to high RPM to get power out of the 4.0 and at high RPM the 4.0 gets noisy and unpleasant, in my opinion. The 5th gen 4Runner gets terrible fuel economy for its size. It's a midsize SUV that gets worse fuel economy than full-size pickups. The transmission desperately needs more gears.

Does the 4.0 get better fuel economy than the 4.7 in my old 4Runner? It sure does. But, in my opinion, it is less pleasant to drive. YMMV.

I haven't driven the new drivetrain. I hope it will have better noise, vibration, and harshness than the 4.0, but I don't know whether that will be the case.

My experience with turbo four cylinders is limited to my wife's 2020 C300. Her previous C300 had a lovely V6 with great NVH and I was skeptical about the turbo four in her new C300. But you know what? That turbo four is a better engine than the V6. It has more low-end torque than the V6. It really scoots, even with low RPMs and moderate throttle. I don't think I've ever needed full throttle and high RPMs. It is quieter at low RPM. And it gets better fuel economy as well.

Will Toyota's 2.4l turbo four have similar NVH to the C300 turbo four? I don't know. The Mercedes four cylinder is a 2.0l, and smaller four cyclinder engines tend to have better NVH than larger ones, so time will tell. The 2.4l turbo four certainly has more horsepower and torque than the 4.0, and these come in at lower RPM.

As for reliability, again, time will tell. I trust Toyota far more than I trust Mercedes to get a turbocharged engine right.

Yes, I drive a 200 Series that gets abysmal fuel economy. I will be replacing it (hopefully soon), not due to its fuel economy, but rather due to frame rust. I'm realistic about its pros (lots of power, good NVH) and cons (horiffically bad fuel economy).

I think we should also be realistic about the pros and cons of the 4.0. The pros? It is reliable. The cons? It has bad NVH, little torque at low RPMs, modest horsepower, and bad fuel economy.