Gen 5 or 6 thoughts on this

[trainman605]

Well, it looks like most of us are in agreement on the Gen 5 and Gen 6 models, that is, either one will be a top model to own and both should give us Toyota quality over the years. I like others opted for a 2024 model knowing the 2025 was just around the corner, but knowing the 2025 would have several upgrades over the Gen 5's I felt like there was no way the Gen 5 models could lose much in value and would still be a good buy in the long run. Now, I'm 79 years old, so the Gen 5 being "old school" didn't even enter into my buying decision, I feel it works well for me, the more electronics does not way into my buying decision. I would like to add one thing here, we took a trip to Oklahoma this past weekend, around a 500 mile trip and averaged 23 MPG, traveling between 60-65 mph, I thought that was exceptional for that vehicle. This vehicle will not be off-roaded and is just my driver as my wife has a Lexus RX350, she really like the 4 Runner and thinking about a new GX 550, wow she is won over.

 

[MAST4R]

I had my 17 yo drive a slow trail near town yesterday, the middle 10 miles took us 2.5 hours at 4.5 mpg

I actually like my interior: it is perfect for an offroader and I am not tired of it at all.

I bought mine in 2018 as the best of the old school (who knew it would be around another 6 years LOl) and I am perfectly satisfied with that aspect as well. I don't need to worry about complex things when offroading solo which is what we do.

The only issues so far are trivial like the lower grade plastics in the cargo area that got scratched all over after one offroad/camping trip and other minor crap like that.

The 4R and the Model Y are a fun pair parked next to each other, each superb, one best of the old, the other best of the new and the two are nicely complementary (btw, I was shocked by the volume cargo capacity of the Model Y which is insane, when all cargo holds are accounted for). I like purity in design.

 

[trainman605]

As the new model 2025 4 Runner is coming at the end of this year and the new 2024 Tacoma sales are slow and vehicles piling up on dealer lots, what is the outlook for the new 4 Runners. As we all know the new 4 Runners will have much of the Tacoma's features and probably the increase in price, new styling, and engine options, that seem to have affected sales on the new Tacoma. All being said, will this carry on down to the new 4 Rummer and will buyers not be lining up on dealer lots to purchase the new model, I guess time will tell.

 

[ejesauer]

I bought a '23 not because I thought I'd hate the new model or new engine, but because I knew I liked the 5th gen and wanted to wait 4 or 5 years for the 6th gen to work out kinks and prove itself a little. For me and me alone, I'm glad I followed my gut because even though the new gen looks to be better in some ways, I think it is only a little better; especially in the areas that matter to me at least. I think in 5 years or at the next update, it might be significantly better, but I'm content right now and therefore patient.

 

[02SE]

I'll take a close look at the 6th gen 4Runner, when it becomes available. There are some aspects I do not care for, based on what we know.

I am glad to have a low mileage, late model 5th gen, that I can keep for a long time, if I don't like the 6th gen.

 

[NotDeadYeti]

As the new model 2025 4 Runner is coming at the end of this year and the new 2024 Tacoma sales are slow and vehicles piling up on dealer lots, what is the outlook for the new 4 Runners. .

I have a hunch there will be plenty of buyers for the new gen.

But I have noticed that there seems to be a great uptick in interest in the 2024 model now. I was seeing a lot more discounting from MSRP on the 2024 in the months building up to the 2025 model reveal. in the weeks since, the 2024 models have been sitting on the lot for much less time and dealers have been slower to discount.

I think a lot of buyers have been like me: put off buying the 2024 until the 2024 was revealed, didn't find enough benefit from the 2025 to justify the risks of buying a year 1 model, and headed back to pick up the last of the 2024 stock. YMMV, this was for the 2024 ORP model out west.

 

[trainman605]

I have a hunch there will be plenty of buyers for the new gen.

But I have noticed that there seems to be a great uptick in interest in the 2024 model now. I was seeing a lot more discounting from MSRP on the 2024 in the months building up to the 2025 model reveal. in the weeks since, the 2024 models have been sitting on the lot for much less time and dealers have been slower to discount.

I think a lot of buyers have been like me: put off buying the 2024 until the 2024 was revealed, didn't find enough benefit from the 2025 to justify the risks of buying a year 1 model, and headed back to pick up the last of the 2024 stock. YMMV, this was for the 2024 ORP model out west.

You are correct on new 4 Runners on dealer lots, my dealer who had a $3000 dollar discount off of list price on my new 2024 TRD Off Road has since done away with discounts on these models. When I purchased mine in Jan 2024 they had 20 on the lot for sale, but yesterday when I looked on their website they had only 5 for sale. I have seen where these 2024's are selling well, I personally think the Gen 5 model will do well in resale value and hold their value in the future.

 

[thatoneguy]

I'll take a close look at the 6th gen 4Runner, when it becomes available. There are some aspects I do not care for, based on what we know.

I am glad to have a low mileage, late model 5th gen, that I can keep for a long time, if I don't like the 6th gen.

I kind of feel this way. I'm not afraid of new technology or anything, but it's nice to know I can go both ways. Having a 2023 ORP, it's nice to have this "old school rig" that yet has modern amenities like a heated steering wheel, blind spot monitor, and rear cross-traffic alert. If this thing had an 8-speed automatic and a further updated infotainment (and maybe TSS 3.0), I'd almost consider it perfect.

I'm really hung up on the extra length, windshield rake, and botched rear seat folding mechanism of the 6th gen (say goodbye to ever sleeping in one, unless you remove the rear seats entirely). But I'm envious of the powertrains.

 

[trainman605]

I had a 2014 and was holding out to see the new design and I’m not digging it.

Exterior styling is kinda cool and all but I’m not liking how they copied the interior from the Tacoma. I get it, Toyota did this to keep production costs low but it’s lazy.

Going to let the 24’s come down in price a bit and buy that. 5thgenfolife

You best buy a 2024 model soon if you want one, my dealer had $3000 off my 2024 TRD Off Road when I purchased it in Jan. 2024, now I see since Toyota is shipping the last of the 2024 run of 4 Runners the dealer prices have gone back to list price. With the new 2025 models coming out at the end of the year and the prices will defiantly cost more, you might make your decision soon as who know where this market will go.

 

[Turfboy]

All I needed was to see the sloppy ugly engine bay and I decided I'll wait on a Generation 6. Just a horrible way to introduce a major redesign. It is as ugly and cluttered as a Chrysler's engine in the mid 70s. I will likely buy a generation 5 this week.

This is how engine bays should look IMHO. :zoom:

 

[trainman605]

This is how engine bays should look IMHO. :zoom:

My biggest concern is the cost of repairs on the 2.4 turbo engine on down the line. According to "the car care nut" the cost of working on a turbo engine will be so expensive and the pic shows why, too much engine clutter. The V6 where you just take-off the engine trim cover and there it all is, is gone. The KISS system is gone, what was Toyota thinking. Honda still putting V6's in several models and no turbos, their fuel mileage is equal, or better than the Toyota 2.4 engines.

 

[thatoneguy]

Assuming that the 2.4L turbo WILL require repairs at some point is silly and fearful without reason. Wait and see. Don't buy one if you can't get past the mental block of forced induction, or are under a fantasy that it cannot be made as reliable as naturally aspirated.

Those Honda V6s have lowest in class drivability and torque, and less mpg than their peers. Timing belts for guaranteed four figure service requirements, and variable cylinder management likes having costly failures. And then in the Pilot that 3.5L still does 2mpg worse combined than things like a 4cyl Grand Highlander.

 

[TGTINT]

Very nice, what colour?

I have my doubts the 6th gen will be built as well or have the reliability of the 5th gen. I found a difference between the 4th and 5th gen. I like the interior of the 5th gen better but the 4.7 V8 in a 4R was a great combination.

You are right, more tech, more things to break.

I agree on the 5th gen interior too, I went from a 4.7 V8 tundra to a 3.5 18’ Tacoma and wished I’d thought to test drive one first. It was a dog.

Now I’m back in a V8 4th gen, I don’t buy Toyotas for complexity.

 

[alextop]

It's not uncommon to have problems anytime they launch a new gen, give it a few model years for them to work out the kinks and you'll have a more reliable vehicle if your plan is to own it for the long haul.

 

[thatoneguy]

It's not uncommon to have problems anytime they launch a new gen, give it a few model years for them to work out the kinks and you'll have a more reliable vehicle if your plan is to own it for the long haul.

That said, it's not like people with 1990, 1996, 2003, and 2010 4Runners had bad reliability compared to other years.

 

[NYRunner]

That said, it's not like people with 1990, 1996, 2003, and 2010 4Runners had bad reliability compared to other years.

Bought mine 5/1/2010. Brakes, fluids, batteries and tires as expected, plus a front left set of wheel bearings and a back left door window motor are the only things that have needed replacing so I have to agree with thatoneguy

These aren’t tercels or corollas

 

[02SE]

So I watched this yesterday, and one word kept coming to mind: Cheap

I see cost-cutting everywhere. I doubt it will actually be cheaper to buy. Unless it REALLY impresses in person, I am disappointed.

I am glad to have a low-mile 5th gen right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQfIpf3VmLo

 

[thatoneguy]

So I watched this yesterday, and one word kept coming to mind: Cheap

I see cost-cutting everywhere. I doubt it will actually be cheaper to buy. Unless it REALLY impresses in person, I am disappointed.

I am glad to have a low-mile 5th gen right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQfIpf3VmLo

It seems vaguely fine to me. If I were comparing it to a non-Premium late 5th gen, I would notice things like the old headliner being better. New cloth seats seem about as good as the old cloth seats. The base radio is of course a big improvement over the old base radio. The toggle switches look nice. I still CAN'T STAND that they went to tumble-forward seats on 2-row models, goodbye sleeping in 4Runners with the second row seats still in the vehicle.

The chassis certainly isn't a cost-cut. This frame should survive rust much better than prior, and is stronger.

But I really just don't like the new shape as much, and hate that they added length. And that some greenhouse was lost.

Interesting to see 18's on the TRD Offroad. Hopefully the brakes clear 17's.

 

[Jeff_DML]

yeah, seems ok to me.

He also posted a 3rd row video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffy5PiiJlfs

 

[testrider]

That said, it's not like people with 1990, 1996, 2003, and 2010 4Runners had bad reliability compared to other years.

Bought my brand new 2003 SR5 4.7V8 in March 2003. Still driving it today with 190k miles. Nothing needed beside routine oil change and timing belt.