General Grabbers (yes another tire thread...)

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benhalleniii

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Hey there y'all. Got a 2017 TRD Off Road Premium with General Grabbers, 285/70's. Love these tires and all the trouble they've gotten me out of. BUT, I'm just not spending enough time in trouble to warrant all the extra weight and reduced gas mileage. I'm 70% city driving, 20% hwy and 10% off road.

Any suggestions on a good size/brand for a mostly in town driver who likes forest service roads and little bit of mud every once in awhile? I don't get into heavy duty mud, or rock crawling etc.

With the Grabbers I rarely even have to put the truck in 4WD and have yet to use the diff lock if that gives you any idea of what I do and don't need.

What I want is better hwy performance in terms of sluggishness and gas mileage but still be able to get off road and take pretty much anything on.

Any tips are appreciated!

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It's an oversized AT tire on a lifted vehicle. I can't tell if it is an LT/10 ply tire or not. The only thing I can think of is going to a smaller tire/highway tire. The 4Runner's were never known for great gas mileage. I hope you knew that.
 
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I would consider downsizing back to the stock size, or perhaps even 255/75/17.

I'd look for something P rated ( or SL, standard load) that is 3peak winter rated.

If you like General, the Grabber APT may be a great choice. Also, something like a Yoko G015 AT, Continental Terrain contact, or something from the Michelin Defender series.

If you're having a hard time deciding, look at the tire weights.

I have the Grabber ATX on mine, and have also been thinking along the same lines as you. I would probably go with the Grabber APT or Conti on mine.
 
I'm running Nitto Ridge Grapplers 285/70/17 P and happy with gas mileage (16/21) and these are relatively quiet on the road (much better than stock Terra Grapplers on TRD Pro). Also as a bonus Ridge Grapplers don't hydroplane like some AT tires.
 
We can throw around suggestions all day.... but whats your budget. I'd say Toyo but that's at the high end of price. I'd say Michelin Defender but that's at the low end of the spectrum. OK, I wouldn't really say Defender as they are really POS on any SUV. And returning to stock 265/70/17 is your best bang for your buck price and performance wise.
 
As the others said, downsize back to stock size and you can get a good light aggressive AT. Either Generals again, KO2s, Toyo AT3s or Falken AT3Ws are all close to OE tire weight in the low to mid 40s. If you're stuck on the size you can always go to a road tire in that size, but I think the size is making more of the mpg drop than the tread pattern with only ATs.
 
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We can throw around suggestions all day.... but whats your budget. I'd say Toyo but that's at the high end of price. I'd say Michelin Defender but that's at the low end of the spectrum. OK, I wouldn't really say Defender as they are really POS on any SUV. And returning to stock 265/70/17 is your best bang for your buck price and performance wise.
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Curious about your experience with the Defenders, because the Defender LTX are universally praised by almost everybody who runs them. Lots of Land Cruiser folks who are general overlanders run them.
 
mbm112 said:
Curious about your experience with the Defenders, because the Defender LTX are universally praised by almost everybody who runs them. Lots of Land Cruiser folks who are general overlanders run them.
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the reality is that they are a highway tire
 
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Curious about your experience with the Defenders, because the Defender LTX are universally praised by almost everybody who runs them. Lots of Land Cruiser folks who are general overlanders run them.
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I thought the same thing. Michelin are generally considered the gold standard for all around tires. Toyo -not so much. My last set Toyo at2 we're bad enough that they weren't balanceable. Discount tire sent them all back and swapped for some coopers that balanced nicely. And Michelins are significantly more expensive. Toyo is normally a budget brand.
 
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I thought the same thing. Michelin are generally considered the gold standard for all around tires. Toyo -not so much. My last set Toyo at2 we're bad enough that they weren't balanceable. Discount tire sent them all back and swapped for some coopers that balanced nicely. And Michelins are significantly more expensive. Toyo is normally a budget brand.
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I've read the AT2s were not the greatest especially in wet conditions. The AT3s seem to have improved a lot and are gaining a pretty large following similar to how the Wildpeaks blew up in popularity. I'm actually seriously considering the AT3s for my next set.
 
Tire review/suggestion threads generally digress into conflicting opinions and exaggerative statements. That being said, I would agree with horsethief - look at 255/75/17 or similar P rated tires and pay close attention to weight.
 
I found the traction to be pretty good all around. And actually durability was good. Tread life was short. I think I'd get 20k miles maybe. But I'm hard on tires generally. The biggest issue was balance. They wouldnt stay balanced. And when we ordered new ones to replace they were so far out of balance new that there was no point trying to run them. 16 ounces out of balance for a 33" tire is way too much. You can zero that on the machine but it'll never run smoothly on the road. We tried then on different wheels. Same result. After I think 4 new tires that all were wildly out of balance, discount tire and I had a call with Toyo and they bought all of them back including the ones on my 4R.

So I bought some cooper at3 and they balanced with very little weight and run smooth on the highway.

Other thoughts - they were really light compared to other tires and that was a big selling point. At the time there were no c rated tires and only a few P rated 285/70/17 tires. That was a selling point for me - 15 lbs per tire.

Anyway TLDR; I thought traction was good, wear life was poor, durability was okay. They were just square.
 
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Thanks.

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It's an oversized AT tire on a lifted vehicle. I can't tell if it is an LT/10 ply tire or not. The only thing I can think of is going to a smaller tire/highway tire. The 4Runner's were never known for great gas mileage. I hope you knew that.
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Thanks for all the snark with no real info. Appreciate it!

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Toyo a budget tire? In what country?

TOYO TIRE
OPEN COUNTRY A/T III
50,000 - 65,000 mile warranty
$232.00 - $300.00/ea

MICHELIN
LTX A/T 2
60,000 mile warranty
$241.00 - $257.00/ea

The Expedition article is a total joke. Please. Claiming 70k miles and still room to go? How did you go over all of those terrains and then outlive the warranty by 10k miles? When Michelin is a sponsor, which they were at one time, fluff writing is all thats left.

They came on my last JKU I had new. Hated the look, rain slickness, airing down will fix almost anything of course.
 
USStrongman said:
Toyo a budget tire? In what country?

TOYO TIRE
OPEN COUNTRY A/T III
50,000 - 65,000 mile warranty
$232.00 - $300.00/ea

MICHELIN
LTX A/T 2
60,000 mile warranty
$241.00 - $257.00/ea

The Expedition article is a total joke. Please. Claiming 70k miles and still room to go? How did you go over all of those terrains and then outlive the warranty by 10k miles? When Michelin is a sponsor, which they were at one time, fluff writing is all thats left.

They came on my last JKU I had new. Hated the look, rain slickness, airing down will fix almost anything of course.
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The LTX M/S and LTX AT2 are different tires. The AT2s are not as highly regarded as the M/S and the M/S have 70k warranty, so it's not as out of the realm of possibility as you think it is.

I have yet to see anything, even anecdotal, that shows they're as bad as you claim, only your bias merely because they're HTs.
 
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I'm deleting my reply. Pointless to have a discussion with someone who absolutely has to be right. #nothingtoseehere
 
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