Getting a '19 4Runner TRD Off Road, few questions

[JPL]

Hi all, getting a '19 4Runner TRD Off Road, few questions:
-Can you replace the nav/infotainment unit for one with a bigger touch screen?
-It come with Dueler tires, whats better? More street/snow than off road, maybe Nokian WRG3 SUV? Had them on another suv and they were great, thay are an "All Weather" tire. Guess I'm looking for that mountain/snow flake.
-Should I be concerned about steering wobble?
-Any other things I should know?
-Any known issues?

Thanks!!!

 

[-E5J-]

Hi all, getting a '19 4Runner TRD Off Road, few questions:
-Can you replace the nav/infotainment unit for one with a bigger touch screen?
-It come with Dueler tires, whats better? More street/snow than off road, maybe Nokian WRG3 SUV? Had them on another suv and they were great, thay are an "All Weather" tire. Guess I'm looking for that mountain/snow flake.
-Should I be concerned about steering wobble?
-Any other things I should know?
-Any known issues?

Thanks!!!

1) -Can you replace the nav/infotainment unit for one with a bigger touch screen? - Probably very cost prohibitive if you're talking OEM 2020 version.

2) -It come with Dueler tires, whats better? More street/snow than off road, maybe Nokian WRG3 SUV? Had them on another suv and they were great, thay are an "All Weather" tire. Guess I'm looking for that mountain/snow flake. - Get the tire you're comfortable with. If you're buying new from a dealer, why not try to negotiate the tires you want... Some have done this successfully.

3) -Should I be concerned about steering wobble? - Yes, probably a little. Take a good, long test drive and make sure to get to speeds reported by others with the issue, 55-65 MPH I believe.

4) -Any other things I should know? - Why not wait for the 2020? Unless you're looking to get a better deal on overstocked 2019's.

5) -Any known issues? - You're not concerned about gas mileage, right? And perhaps Google around on this one... I'm sure you'll find a long list of irritants.

Good luck!

 

[BobsTrail]

Hi all, getting a '19 4Runner TRD Off Road, few questions:
-Any other things I should know?
-Any known issues?
Thanks!!!

Buy it and enjoy it. 62K with a lot of sand dunes, dirt trails and some snow.
Mine was built 7 years ago today, no problems, no repairs, my 7/75 extended warranty expires later this month and I have not needed it.

 

[CMS516]

For tires, I drove from the dealer to the tire store and got General Grabber ATX. They are snowflake rated. I have 3k miles on them now and I'm a fan.

I had a '17 F250 before this, I thought that the touch screen size on the 4runner would bother me but it doesn't. Not worth it to me to replace it for a slightly bigger one even if it did bother me.

 

[mteolus]

For tires, I drove from the dealer to the tire store and got General Grabber ATX. They are snowflake rated. I have 3k miles on them now and I'm a fan.

I had a '17 F250 before this, I thought that the touch screen size on the 4runner would bother me but it doesn't. Not worth it to me to replace it for a slightly bigger one even if it did bother me.

I ran my Dueller's for 30k. I recommend getting rid of them right away, they were POS's. Just about any AT tire will work, BFG, General, Falken, Cooper, Toyo, Nitto, Goodyear etc... If you do plan on a lot of off-road, then you may want to consider a C rated tire rather than a P rated tire.

There are aftermarket options for a bigger screen, but the long term reliability might be questionable. I'd rather have an 8" screen, but the one I have is adequate. The JBL system in yours (I believe that is standard now in the OR) will be better than the non-JBL I have. Mine is still adequate but not that great. Unless you just like it loud and proud, the JBL should be adequate.

I recommend getting the sliding rear cargo tray if you can get one. Some don't like it but I do. Keeps the rear flat so you can sleep back there without building a platform yourself. Plus is great for tailgaiting.

If you haven't already purchased it, the new TRD OR's have an option called "Predator" I believe. It is basically the TRD Pro wheel and some Nitto Terra Grapplers. They charge too much for it in my opinion, but if you can negotiate it down might be a good idea. If you don't get it, I would sell your stock wheels and get aftermarket. You can sell your tires and wheels together that way.

 

[JPL]

All great info, keep it coming!

-Should I be concerned about steering wobble?
-Any other things I should know?
-Any known issues?

"Why not wait for the 2020? Unless you're looking to get a better deal on overstocked 2019's."
Yup great deal, started looking at a TRD Pro Sport truck, until they offered the 4R for just a bit more...incentives...and it's a showroom model......

Thanks fellas, (and chickies)! :heh:

 

[GG5thGen]

I have a 2019 TRD Off Road with 650 miles on it. I know what you mean about the touch screen being a little small but I am getting used to it.

On some road surfaces, particularly some where the pavement has ridges from repairs and/or construction is going on, I will get a little vibration in the steering wheel at around 58-59 mph but it goes away as I get to 60 and above. It came with Nitto Terra Grappler tires.


One thing that bugs me is that is has a little bit of a cant or lean towards the drivers side. I notice this when it is parked on a flat surface. I have read on this forum that it is fairly common on these vehicles. I figure it can be adjusted but I'm kind of OCD about stuff like that so it is on the list of things to address.


I forget about all these little things when I am driving as I enjoy it so much. So far, pavement only but eventually I will take it on some trails.

 

[pointman]

The wobble has me worried to. I posed the question of 'does it take away from the enjoyment of the vehicle?' and was more or less met with a "no". So be aware of it, but I don't think its necessarily a deterrent. There seems to be a small minority of owners with it voicing their issues but overall the 4Runner is quite loved. Also, test drive it and get it up to speed. Thats what I did, and I chose the 4R that was rock solid. The others I drove were not.

Everyone, the stock Bridgestones are not going to get me through winter in the NE?

 

[JPL]

Anyone here try the T8 head unit?

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[JPL]

So I'm assuming the wobble wasn't fixed by 2019? Seems like a test drive wouldn't show that right away because I've read that it can develop after 5k miles. Also, are some '19's experiencing the "rumble strip" transmission issue?

 

[JAXJeremy]

So I'm assuming the wobble wasn't fixed by 2019? Seems like a test drive wouldn't show that right away because I've read that it can develop after 5k miles. Also, are some '19's experiencing the "rumble strip" transmission issue?

There is now a T9, but I think the jury is out..

So it looks like the CTHome T9 head unit is out, waiting for reviews.

 

[mteolus]

The wobble has me worried to. I posed the question of 'does it take away from the enjoyment of the vehicle?' and was more or less met with a "no". So be aware of it, but I don't think its necessarily a deterrent. There seems to be a small minority of owners with it voicing their issues but overall the 4Runner is quite loved. Also, test drive it and get it up to speed. Thats what I did, and I chose the 4R that was rock solid. The others I drove were not.

Everyone, the stock Bridgestones are not going to get me through winter in the NE?

Yes they will get you through the winter. But you will get more for them brand new than if worn. I had one tire I had to replace at 20k. There was a crack all the way down the middle. Other 3 were already worn out at 30k. Lots of textured concrete wears them down faster in the city but still, 30k is pathetic. They are also P rated so off-road they are not as durable.

 

[rsimi72]

The wobble has me worried to. I posed the question of 'does it take away from the enjoyment of the vehicle?' and was more or less met with a "no". So be aware of it, but I don't think its necessarily a deterrent.

I have a difficult time believing that the steering wheel wobble does not "take away from the enjoyment of the vehicle." Mine wobbles above 60 mph at times. Driving those speeds is not as enjoyable when my hands are shaking. Hard to imagine somebody thinking otherwise. Just my experience, I guess.

I'd test drive over 60 mph on several different roads. The surface seems to matter. Good luck.

 

[thennen]

I bought my 2019 OR last October 2. It now has 25k miles. Nautical Blue, which seems to have developed a bit more depth and luster with the few waxings I’ve done. My steering with the original Duelers has been rock steady - not a shimmy or shake. I do a lot of driving in the speed range where others have experienced steering wheel vibration, but mine is good. The ride is great in my view. The tires are good for the pavement/snow I’ve driven in. Nothing off road yet. The tires look like they’ll go a long ways, maybe to 60k. Tread is wearing evenly, no cupping or anything. Being my first vehicle with a head unit, I like that, but have nothing to compare it to. The only problem I have is that I want to drive it too much. Very, very happy with my truck!

 

[bring_it_on]

Anyone here try the T8 head unit?

! I picked up a 2019 OR 2 weeks ago and swapped out my tires right away for BGF KO2 C-rated tires in stock size. If I were you I wouldn’t swap the OEM MM unit for a generic unbranded system no matter what the initial reviews were mainly because I suspect that long term reliability won’t be there and it will be one extra thing to worry about (for me that runs against the grain of why I chose the T4R). I think it is best to wait and see if the 2020 unit can be retrofitted..It may be significantly more expensive but at least you won’t have to worry about it for the rest of the life of the vehicle.

 

[MAST4R]

I ran my Dueller's for 30k. I recommend getting rid of them right away, they were POS's. Just about any AT tire will work, BFG, General, Falken, Cooper, Toyo, Nitto, Goodyear etc... If you do plan on a lot of off-road, then you may want to consider a C rated tire rather than a P rated tire.

There are aftermarket options for a bigger screen, but the long term reliability might be questionable. I'd rather have an 8" screen, but the one I have is adequate. The JBL system in yours (I believe that is standard now in the OR) will be better than the non-JBL I have. Mine is still adequate but not that great. Unless you just like it loud and proud, the JBL should be adequate.

I recommend getting the sliding rear cargo tray if you can get one. Some don't like it but I do. Keeps the rear flat so you can sleep back there without building a platform yourself. Plus is great for tailgaiting.

If you haven't already purchased it, the new TRD OR's have an option called "Predator" I believe. It is basically the TRD Pro wheel and some Nitto Terra Grapplers. They charge too much for it in my opinion, but if you can negotiate it down might be a good idea. If you don't get it, I would sell your stock wheels and get aftermarket. You can sell your tires and wheels together that way.

All great advice but I would call P vs LTC is a wash. I have 5,500 offroad miles on P metrics. They must be run at street pressures or near street pressures though. Otherwise, yes, they will not survive as well as LT.But they have good traction and comfort at 30-33.

Tires with serious shoulders like the Wildpeak and the Ridge Grapplers are fine. I run the former. Toyo AT II is a good tire and lasts longer but will be replaced by AT III before long.The Discount Tire Goodyear Ultraterrain is interesting. The General ATX is probably just as durable as any of the others mentioned. There are many P metrics I would not buy though so there is that.

The LTC would provide more fine tuning on and offroad in terms of psi. There are options in 255 75 17. In 265 70 and 275 70 combined, only the KO2 LTC can claim to be stronger than the available P metrics and that again will play rarely, presumably in the harshest deserts.

LT tires provide a bit less clearance on trail as they need to be aired down. They will cost more and also last longer if the tires see lots of offroading. P metrics should last longer if the tires see less offroading.

So I would say that there are good and bad P options as well as good and bad LTC options.

I retire P metrics from offroading at 6/32s and LTs at 5/32s so in my use Wildpeaks would max at 30,000 and KO2s at 40,000 with 27k and 35k, respectively, being more realistic.

 

[MarshallDillon]

If you want to get lost in worrying about steering issues, go over and read about Wranglers on that forum.
I bought a 2019 off road premium just a few weeks ago and like it a lot. The stock tires were the Duelers and seemed okay but I replaced them with KO2s and it still drives great. I'm not saying that nobody has steering issues, but forums like these seem to magnify any issue. This vehicle is one of the best out there in terms of reliability so I don't think you can go wrong.
Get it and have fun!

 

[Drobs]

No wobble on my 2019 Off Road w/ 6185 miles on it. I took it straight from the dealer over to Discount Tire and had Falken Wildpeaks put on it in the stock size.

If prices are the same, look for one that has the KDSS system. I don't have it and didn't notice how much horrible body roll it had till I got it home. The Eibach lift I had installed took care of that and now it handles just fine.

 

[MAST4R]

No wobble on my 2019 Off Road w/ 6185 miles on it. I took it straight from the dealer over to Discount Tire and had Falken Wildpeaks put on it in the stock size.

If prices are the same, look for one that has the KDSS system. I don't have it and didn't notice how much horrible body roll it had till I got it home. The Eibach lift I had installed took care of that and now it handles just fine.

Good suggestion but I would say everyone needs to look carefully into KDSS and see if they want it. On a GX, totally, but on the 4R it can go either way.

The OP needs to look at the suspension as a total package including KDSS or lack thereof, immediate or future spring and shocks upgrades, tire types, and use.

I was sure I wanted it until I realized I did not. With 6112s and Icon 2.0 in the rear, I am fine on the street, have more wheel travel than stock (0.75 front and 1.4" rear), and paid 1,000 which also includes rear springs and a choice of lift. Very importantly, there is no monster sway bar to beat me up offroad above 12 mph which is what one is doing most of the time. Of course, running aired down tires will help but P metric tires should not be run aired down (more than a little). Again, a holistic approach is needed, it is not just about kdss in itself.

If the vehicle is to remain stock and not be taken offroad regularly then, yes, KDSS will help tremendously.

Takes on this will vary.

 

[SurfToy]

Mine has been back to the dealership four times so far because it leans to the driver's side >half inch in the front and a full inch in the rear. Still working with local dealers and regional reps to try to resolve.