Hawse fairlead.

[nevada]

specifically for use with steel cable.

I know what is supposed to be used, but im curious what everyone thinks about mixing it up a bit?

I have a steel hawse with steel cable on my truck, it seems to work ok, but there are some grooves now.
currently on my 85 runner, I have steel cable, and a roller, but my bumper was designed around a hawse, so it needs to be changed.

im considering using an Aluminum Hawse with the steel cable on the 4runner.

I realize it will wear faster than the steel, but it has to be easier on the cable itself, right?

any thoughts?

i'll add a poll, and throw UHMW into the mix as well. ive seen where some people have used that type with steel also.

 

[snivilous]

I have a steel hawse with my steel cable. Like you said, aluminum will wear faster which also means it'll be more friendly to the steel cable. With that said, I don't know how much difference it'll actually make to the cable. Just get synthetic line

 

[nevada]

I have a steel hawse with my steel cable. Like you said, aluminum will wear faster which also means it'll be more friendly to the steel cable. With that said, I don't know how much difference it'll actually make to the cable. Just get synthetic line

I was thinking the same, also the AL would almost be like a lubricant for the steel line. fine aluminum dust...should be good. haha.

I guess i'll find out. .
im picking one up tonight after work.

a buddy started an off road accessory business, and had these made up.
https://www.facebook.com/ridgelinemotorsports.yakima?fref=photo


ive considered synthetic line a few times over the years, but I really think steel works better for me. I would for sure ruin an expensive rope the first time out.:frusty:

 

[MStudt]

Factor 55

 

[Jeff614]

I'd go steel. What about the inevitable side pulls while using an aluminum Hawse? I'd think it would wear down pretty fast especially when the steel cable eventually gets a burr on it.

FWIW I ran a steel Hawse with a steel cable on my M8000 for 5 years and never had a problem.

With the availability, options, and dropping prices now though I'd absolutely go with a synthetic cable and aluminum Hawse.

- Jeff

 

[ebg18t]

I would stick to a steel hawse if you are keeping the steel line. I think the steel line would trash a aluminum hawse quite quick.

 

[nevada]

I'd go steel. What about the inevitable side pulls while using an aluminum Hawse? I'd think it would wear down pretty fast especially when the steel cable eventually gets a burr on it.

FWIW I ran a steel Hawse with a steel cable on my M8000 for 5 years and never had a problem.

With the availability, options, and dropping prices now though I'd absolutely go with a synthetic cable and aluminum Hawse.

- Jeff

If its a severe side pull, i'll have to reposition, or run a snatch block. side pulls are still very bad for all the things, I tend to avoid those as much as possible.

as far as synthetic line, im still not sold on it, its still way too expensive, and not nearly durable enough. I can buy 3-4 lengths of steel rope for the price of 1 synthetic line. also, 100' of synthetic is more than I paid for the winch.

for my use, I see no good reason to switch.

 

[1engineer]

If its a severe side pull, i'll have to reposition, or run a snatch block. side pulls are still very bad for all the things, I tend to avoid those as much as possible.

as far as synthetic line, im still not sold on it, its still way too expensive, and not nearly durable enough. I can buy 3-4 lengths of steel rope for the price of 1 synthetic line. also, 100' of synthetic is more than I paid for the winch.

for my use, I see no good reason to switch.

If your use is dragging small trees or being used in abrasive environments like rubbing against rocks then absolutely steel cable is best. For any type of recovery involving vehicles then synthetic is the way to go. I put together a big post awhile back going over the physics of it all. If you want the link just ask.

 

[snivilous]

If your use is dragging small trees or being used in abrasive environments like rubbing against rocks then absolutely steel cable is best. For any type of recovery involving vehicles then synthetic is the way to go. I put together a big post awhile back going over the physics of it all. If you want the link just ask.

Yes please! I always enjoy learning the mechanics of things and I'm too lazy right now to think about it

 

[1engineer]

Yes please! I always enjoy learning the mechanics of things and I'm too lazy right now to think about it

Here ya go, post #26 I believe. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/166382-custom-front-shackel-mounts-2.html
The thread talks about using a front mounted hitch for recoveries and I posted this explanation so readers would understand that sometimes what they think is important is not necessarily so lol. BTW just substitute wire rope for chain in the explanation as neither likes to stretch real well. There were a LOT of pm's going over this thread lol. Didn't think I would come out of that one alive but real science beats bro science every time.

 

[nevada]

If your use is dragging small trees or being used in abrasive environments like rubbing against rocks then absolutely steel cable is best. For any type of recovery involving vehicles then synthetic is the way to go. I put together a big post awhile back going over the physics of it all. If you want the link just ask.

yes, trees, rocks, vehicles, etc.

I cant justify the price of synthetic rope. its just not THAT much better. and it still has to be replaced every few years. no thanks.

Here ya go, post #26 I believe. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/166382-custom-front-shackel-mounts-2.html
The thread talks about using a front mounted hitch for recoveries and I posted this explanation so readers would understand that sometimes what they think is important is not necessarily so lol. BTW just substitute wire rope for chain in the explanation as neither likes to stretch real well. There were a LOT of pm's going over this thread lol. Didn't think I would come out of that one alive but real science beats bro science every time.

so, unless I completely misunderstood that post, you're saying more stretch is better for vehicle recovery?

im not sure why then you would recommend synthetic rope over steel wire?
steel cable stretches a lot, where the synthetic rope has minimal stretch.

 

[1engineer]

yes, trees, rocks, vehicles, etc.

I cant justify the price of synthetic rope. its just not THAT much better. and it still has to be replaced every few years. no thanks.



so, unless I completely misunderstood that post, you're saying more stretch is better for vehicle recovery?

im not sure why then you would recommend synthetic rope over steel wire?
steel cable stretches a lot, where the synthetic rope has minimal stretch.

The biggest advantage of synthetic rope for recoveries is safety. Generally speaking (I said generally because there are some special ropes out there) a synthetic rope will stretch about 2X the distance of wire rope, but over a 100' length we are talking 1/2 of a foot for synthetic and 1/4 of a foot for wire rope. Less if EIPS.
The biggest advantage for wire rope is cost (synthetic can cost 6X as much as wire) and durability.

Again, if I were out in the bush pulling trees and rocks every weekend wire rope is the way to go. It has to be done safely though. If I am only going to 4 Wheel and use my winch to make recoveries once every six months then a synthetic rope will last forever. Either rope is fine with a dynamic recovery strap, which was kinda my point for the link. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[nevada]

The biggest advantage of synthetic rope for recoveries is safety. Generally speaking (I said generally because there are some special ropes out there) a synthetic rope will stretch about 2X the distance of wire rope, but over a 100' length we are talking 1/2 of a foot for synthetic and 1/4 of a foot for wire rope. Less if EIPS.
The biggest advantage for wire rope is cost (synthetic can cost 6X as much as wire) and durability.

Again, if I were out in the bush pulling trees and rocks every weekend wire rope is the way to go. It has to be done safely though. If I am only going to 4 Wheel and use my winch to make recoveries once every six months then a synthetic rope will last forever. Either rope is fine with a dynamic recovery strap, which was kinda my point for the link. Sorry for the confusion.

do you have that backwards?

that's what makes the synthetic safer, is that it doesn't stretch, therefore not storing energy, and when it breaks its just falls to the ground.
whereas the wire cable stretches, and stores that energy, and why it goes flying opposite directions when it breaks.












back to the OP. I picked up the above linked fairlead the other day, but have yet to get it installed. I do know that the wire will chew into it, and at the same time it will be easier on the wire than a steel fairlead. just how quickly it chews through it remains to be seen.


ive ran a steel fairlead on my truck for a LONG time, it has some significant gouges in it from the cable.

 

[Hyde802]

I change out rollers for a steel hawse for a better approach angle and to utilize the hitch mount in the tg winch plate. Happy so far, but interested to see how it works with an aluminum.

I toyed with the idea of getting the UHMW, but all my internet reaserch showed people going through them very fast.

 

[nevada]

I change out rollers for a steel hawse for a better approach angle and to utilize the hitch mount in the tg winch plate. Happy so far, but interested to see how it works with an aluminum.

I toyed with the idea of getting the UHMW, but all my internet reaserch showed people going through them very fast.

well, I did end up using the winch a couple months ago. mostly a straight line pull. you can tell by looking at the fairlead that it was used, but there are no deep grooves or gouges. I think it will be ok, especially for as little as it gets used.

 

[cbielat]

Just wrap a synthetic line around it. Get it over with. I bet you'll eventually switch.

 

[nevada]

Just wrap a synthetic line around it. Get it over with. I bet you'll eventually switch.

maybe. if I start using it more.
its a tertiary vehicle for me. I use it for hunting, or family trips. the winch gets used very little.

its also sitting on 37's now, so its quite capable. the winch will likely get used even less lol.

 

[Sean K.]

"Safer" is a relative term. Depends on the type of wheeling you do. Dangling off your cable on a 30'+ waterfall where the breakover means the cable will be dragging the rock face in multiple areas means you're better off with wire rope. Breaking a synth rope there will be bad news and very likely since abrasion resistance is nil with synth.

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